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Tejas Photography
Posts: 436
Houston, Texas, US


I have had it loaded at B&H along with a few other things for days and just can't pull the trigger, on the order.

What has happened to me, never use to slow me down.  I know I will use the heck out of it, is this part of getting old?  Because I do not like it!
Sep 13 13 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,826
Vineland, New Jersey, US


Tejas Photography wrote:
I have had it loaded at B&H along with a few other things for days and just can't pull the trigger, on the order.

What has happened to me, never use to slow me down.  I know I will use the heck out of it, is this part of getting old?  Because I do not like it!

I would say it's not a product of getting older. It's a product of getting wiser. I don't know how much this lens is, but I tend to ask myself how much it costs and how much will it put in my pocket. I know the 50 mm f/1.2 is something like $1200 ... maybe more. I can only imagine the 85 mm lens is more. Will I get my money back in a year? 2 years? 10 years? Will it last 10 years so I can break even?

As mainly a hobbyist, I have to ask ... will it make my pictures $1200 better? We're living in a world with a weird economy. Things are volatile. What is a great buy one day isn't so great a few days later because the car will break down, the house will need repair and someone will get sick all at the same time. While I may have saved the money just for that lens, as soon as I buy it, something else will come along that is far more important and the lens could've waited. 

Maybe this has happened to you,too, and more than once? I'm not saying pull or don't pull the trigger. I am saying I understand the waiting to see what will happen, if anything.

Sep 13 13 07:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Antediluvian Design
Posts: 1,137
Scranton, Pennsylvania, US


Doesn't glass have a high resale value? When the zombie apocalypse comes you can get almost your money back. I think. That's a tough one but I understand what your saying.
Sep 13 13 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brian T Rickey
Posts: 4,004
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


This lens is my bff
Sep 13 13 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Beautifully Soft Focus
Posts: 526
Peoria, Illinois, US


For me it's a matter of cost and ROI.  I've shot both Canon 85mm lens (f.1.2L and the f/1.8 USM); I own the f/1.8.  The 1.2L is more is better lens (at stops f/1.8 and lower, which is the limit of the 1.8), but it's slower that the 1.8, and a lot heaver. I also for myself  having to paid more attention to my mechanics while shooting with it. I love the  1.2L just not $1600 plus worth of love wink

f/1.8
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120718/21/500789c1dc915_m.jpg

f/1.2L
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130602/08/51ab67640e291_m.jpg
Be easy,

Alvin
Sep 13 13 08:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Awesome Headshots
Posts: 2,363
San Ramon, California, US


Tejas Photography wrote:
I have had it loaded at B&H along with a few other things for days and just can't pull the trigger, on the order.

What has happened to me, never use to slow me down.  I know I will use the heck out of it, is this part of getting old?  Because I do not like it!

Older, wiser, conservative, smarter, cash conscience... ect. In other words yes. I'm still financially undecided on a D1 or D1X wink

Sep 13 13 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Antediluvian Design
Posts: 1,137
Scranton, Pennsylvania, US


I love my 50 f1.8. I want to trade it in for a 1.4. It would be nice to have what some consider as a less boring focal length but I am just a GWC shooter so it's fine for me.
Sep 13 13 08:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,749
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Tejas Photography wrote:
I have had it loaded at B&H along with a few other things for days and just can't pull the trigger, on the order.

What has happened to me, never use to slow me down.  I know I will use the heck out of it, is this part of getting old?  Because I do not like it!

Sigma version is better

Sep 13 13 09:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Chris David Photography
Posts: 422
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


The 85mm 1.2 has been on my list to eventually buy since its release but lately I've been considering the 85mm 1.4 Sigma thats selling around the $800 mark. Is anyone using that lens that can give more insight on it. For the price of the Canon 1.2 can actually get both the Sigma 35mm & 85mm 1.4 and spare change.
Sep 13 13 09:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tejas Photography
Posts: 436
Houston, Texas, US


Lovely Day Media wrote:
I would say it's not a product of getting older. It's a product of getting wiser. I don't know how much this lens is, but I tend to ask myself how much it costs and how much will it put in my pocket. I know the 50 mm f/1.2 is something like $1200 ... maybe more. I can only imagine the 85 mm lens is more. Will I get my money back in a year? 2 years? 10 years? Will it last 10 years so I can break even?

As mainly a hobbyist, I have to ask ... will it make my pictures $1200 better? We're living in a world with a weird economy. Things are volatile. What is a great buy one day isn't so great a few days later because the car will break down, the house will need repair and someone will get sick all at the same time. While I may have saved the money just for that lens, as soon as I buy it, something else will come along that is far more important and the lens could've waited. 

Maybe this has happened to you,too, and more than once? I'm not saying pull or don't pull the trigger. I am saying I understand the waiting to see what will happen, if anything.

Why you have to be make so much sense, however I do feel I will get my money back.  I am considering it for a new direction I am moving in?

Sep 13 13 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tejas Photography
Posts: 436
Houston, Texas, US


Beautifully Soft Focus wrote:
For me it's a matter of cost and ROI.  I've shot both Canon 85mm lens (f.1.2L and the f/1.8 USM); I own the f/1.8.  The 1.2L is more is better lens (at stops f/1.8 and lower, which is the limit of the 1.8), but it's slower that the 1.8, and a lot heaver. I also for myself  having to paid more attention to my mechanics while shooting with it. I love the  1.2L just not $1600 plus worth of love wink

f/1.8
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120718/21/500789c1dc915_m.jpg

f/1.2L
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130602/08/51ab67640e291_m.jpg
Be easy,

Alvin

I wish it was $1600 it would be on he way, $2200 now, plus some Cf cards, a reader, and other stuff and we are talking a bit closer to 3G

Sep 13 13 09:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Schlake
Posts: 2,248
Socorro, New Mexico, US


Tejas Photography wrote:

I wish it was $1600 it would be on he way, $2200 now, plus some Cf cards, a reader, and other stuff and we are talking a bit closer to 3G

For my birthday I bought myself a 1DX and a 70-200 f/2.8 IS L ii.  When is your birthday?

Sep 13 13 09:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tejas Photography
Posts: 436
Houston, Texas, US


Antediluvian Design wrote:
Doesn't glass have a high resale value? When the zombie apocalypse comes you can get almost your money back. I think. That's a tough one but I understand what your saying.

Got the zombie weapons handled, will need more ammo though!

Sep 13 13 09:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tejas Photography
Posts: 436
Houston, Texas, US


Schlake wrote:

For my birthday I bought myself a 1DX and a 70-200 f/2.8 IS L ii.  When is your birthday?

Yes!!!  See we think alike, it could be a late bd gift.  I should say I am using part of the cash I got for getting my bike totaled and bounced onto the hood of a car.  So I deserve something nice

Sep 13 13 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jayc Yu
Posts: 525
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


The 85mm f/1.2 is 1kg worth of ball and chain. My wrist and legs can attest to that. The telephoto-ness means 33% less content compared to a 50mm. I have a much harder time framing enough stuff within the given angle. It's minimum focus is limiting too. There are a lot of disappointing things I can say about this lens...

It works as advertised for portraiture though.
Sep 13 13 09:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jayc Yu
Posts: 525
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Tejas Photography wrote:
Yes!!!  See we think alike, it could be a late bd gift.  I should say I am using part of the cash I got for getting my bike totaled and bounced onto the hood of a car.  So I deserve something nice

My sister experienced that when she was biking home from school at 3am. Totaled her laptop, but got a few grand in return. Oh, and she got hurt too. /shrug

Hope you get better soon.

Sep 13 13 09:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Beautifully Soft Focus
Posts: 526
Peoria, Illinois, US


Tejas Photography wrote:

Yes!!!  See we think alike, it could be a late bd gift.  I should say I am using part of the cash I got for getting my bike totaled and bounced onto the hood of a car.  So I deserve something nice

To heck with camera and lens if we are talking bday gift for me ... a new C7 Corvette is what I am saving my pennies for wink

Sep 13 13 09:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,826
Vineland, New Jersey, US


Tejas Photography wrote:
Why you have to be make so much sense, however I do feel I will get my money back.  I am considering it for a new direction I am moving in?

When I state my opinion, I'm always subject to being wrong, not knowing all the circumstances and/or the full intentions/motivation of the person I'm talking with.

Many people have accused me of being many things. Cheap is one of them. The truth is that I'm not cheap. I just look for extreme bang for my buck. Sometimes this means buying the cheapest thing that will work so when it doesn't work anymore, I haven't lost much. Other times, it means looking for the most expensive thing because they usually have the best build quality and will last the longest.

In this case, I'd love to have that lens, too, but know it's not likely to make my picture taking better or make someone fall so in love with my work that they'll stuff money in my pockets. Since we don't know each other, you haven't asked for a critique (and I haven't seen your work) and there could be all sorts of motivations for wanting or needing this lens, I only talk about myself and my needs while letting you decide for yourself if this is a good thing or not. You are, of course, free to disagree and I'm 100% okay with that. smile

Sep 13 13 09:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tejas Photography
Posts: 436
Houston, Texas, US


A lot of good points made, I used my 10D and a 28-105 f3.5 lens for years and made money.  As I have been able I have upgraded and made changes, what's funny if I had the cash I would buy the 400 f2.8 without batting an eye.  Granted it will take a bit longer to get the return on the 400
Sep 13 13 10:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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mophotoart
Posts: 536
Wichita, Kansas, US


bought the c6 vette new..no desire for the c7 or the next greatest megapixel camera .....now...the depreciation on the car would have paid for any lens/camera equip I wanted....but my old equipment works....lenses do hold value at about 60% if you baby them...cameras suck, tech changes so rapid...and life is short...just live, shoot and enjoy the toys you choose
Sep 13 13 10:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


I feel your pain.

I'm rationalising things a lot more now than I used to.

However I'm also currently using two strategies than seem to get me over the block:

1. I don't drink or smoke. This always works for me; basically I calculate how much it would cost me a month if I did both of these things then work out how many months I'd need to save this amount of money before I could purchase my object of desire. Then I go out and buy it.

2. Life is short. One day I'll be on my death bed and I don't want to look back and think 'why didn't I just go out and buy thing 'x' or 'why didn't I just do thing 'y'?

Basically, sometimes you need to stop rationalising a potential purchase in term of financial loss and relative gain should you sell it later and just buy something because it will give you joy. smile
Sep 14 13 12:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Jasper Johal Photo
Posts: 89
Los Angeles, California, US


Tejas Photography wrote:
I wish it was $1600 it would be on he way, $2200 now, plus some Cf cards, a reader, and other stuff and we are talking a bit closer to 3G

The Canon EF 135mm f2 is under $1100, and you might like it more that the 85 f1.2. I think it is one of the most under-appreciated lenses out there.

I have both lenses. I love the 85 f1.2, but I find myself using the 135 f2 more. The 135 is 40% lighter, and has significantly faster auto focus.

If you are shooting on a full frame camera, and your location allows the distance that these short teles require, I find the framing on these two lenses to be fairly similar. But I like the longer throw of the 135 a bit more.

Regarding the difference in max aperture (f1.2 vs f2), I find myself using f2 on the 85 often anyway. At f1.2 the depth of field is way too shallow for most practical purposes, in my experience (having one eye in focus and the other out, for example, on tighter shots).

I was using both lenses on a dance shoot not too long ago. You can see their results here, side by side:

http://www.jasperphoto.com/images/MM_images/JasperPhoto_lens_compare.jpg

Sep 14 13 02:24 am  Link  Quote 
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KU LLC
Posts: 267
Dallas, Texas, US


Alvin wrote:
I wish it was $1600 it would be on he way, $2200 now, plus some Cf cards, a reader, and other stuff and we are talking a bit closer to 3G

I found a studio that was down sizing and let the 85mm F1.2L and a 50mm F1.4 go for just over $1500 (and let me pay with a CC).  Both were pristine and had the original boxes and warranty cards.  I have the 85mm F1.8 and like it, but for portrait, the F1.2L is it.  I have only had it a couple of days, so I don't have any work posted with it.  When testing it on some inanimate objects at a park, I did notice the AF was slower than the F1.8.

(I considered the 135mm F2 but I don't have the space the 85mm affords me.)

Sep 14 13 04:40 am  Link  Quote 
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ChanStudio
Posts: 9,159
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


Tejas Photography wrote:
I have had it loaded at B&H along with a few other things for days and just can't pull the trigger, on the order.

What has happened to me, never use to slow me down.  I know I will use the heck out of it, is this part of getting old?  Because I do not like it!

You going to not use this lens as much as you think you will if you already have a 70-200mm f2.8L II or 85mm f1.8.

  If you have the 5DIII or 1D series then that would help with the AF speed. Otherwise, it will be one frustrated lens if you are used to the fast AF speed lenses.

Sep 14 13 05:16 am  Link  Quote 
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MesmerEyes Photography
Posts: 2,843
Tyler, Texas, US


Schlake wrote:

For my birthday I bought myself a 1DX and a 70-200 f/2.8 IS L ii.  When is your birthday?

Mine is this month. Anyone want to pitch in? wink

Sep 14 13 05:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Longwatcher
Posts: 3,662
Newport News, Virginia, US


I have the mkI version of the 85/1.2 and it gets used a lot, but then if I already had the 85/1.8 probably would not feel the urge as much for the f1.2 version, just as I don't feel the urge as much for the mkII version of the 85/1.2 or the 16-35/2.8 (which I really want because huge lens flare difference between the two).

But after you have the basic lenses, the desire for just that little bit better drops significantly. In my case I wanted a fisheye to complete my collection, but knowing how often I would use it; it went on the shopping cart several times before they came out with the 8-15 version and I finally felt I had enough money to get it. it was on my next to get list for almost 5 years. Currently that 16-35/2.8 MkII is on the top of my to get list (of lenses), but it is not something I am expecting to get in the next year or two. The one I have works well for what I use it for.

So all of that is saying you are just slowing down, not from age, but probably from less need.
Sep 14 13 07:56 am  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Jasper Johal Photo wrote:

The Canon EF 135mm f2 is under $1100, and you might like it more that the 85 f1.2. I think it is one of the most under-appreciated lenses out there.

I have both lenses. I love the 85 f1.2, but I find myself using the 135 f2 more. The 135 is 40% lighter, and has significantly faster auto focus.

If you are shooting on a full frame camera, and your location allows the distance that these short teles require, I find the framing on these two lenses to be fairly similar. But I like the longer throw of the 135 a bit more.

Regarding the difference in max aperture (f1.2 vs f2), I find myself using f2 on the 85 often anyway. At f1.2 the depth of field is way too shallow for most practical purposes, in my experience (having one eye in focus and the other out, for example, on tighter shots).

I was using both lenses on a dance shoot not too long ago. You can see their results here, side by side:

http://www.jasperphoto.com/images/MM_images/JasperPhoto_lens_compare.jpg

I think the 85 1.2 is a very special lens, but the weight makes it unpleasant to shoot, especially when it's not on a 1D body.

85 is close enough to 70mm that I sold mine and bought the 24-70mkII which has been a great decision. I kept my 135 f2, though it's often a little long for the spaces I shoot in.

Sep 14 13 08:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Tejas Photography
Posts: 436
Houston, Texas, US


Besides my 300 f4 I do not own any primes, I have used zooms on all my digital bodies and my F1n all 2.8 except the 17-40.  I use it on bikes with studio flash so did not see the reason for the 16-35 yet.  Last primes would have been in Germany when I was in the Army.

I figure the 85 will be useful in pretty much everything I shoot except sports.  I can see a use for it in concert photography, portraits, motorcycles and the nekked ladies.  And as long as they are paying me to take pictures of them sans clothing then I figure it is worth it to make them look even better.  Maybe a bit less post work, I always enjoy it when one comments that "she didn't know she looked that good". 

I have looked at the Sigma, not so much at the Canon 1.8 though.  And maybe it is just the gear head in me too, diesel mechanic for many years so buying better tools is a common practice. 

Just very funny to me as I would drop $11g on the 400 without an issue, knowing it is a very specific use lens, yet struggle with the 85.  If you look at it, all my zooms would be over 2g now as I have the older ones.  I know the 85, the 400,  the 17 TS, and the 135 are in my Wish List. 

Lots of good advice as I said thanks for the input!
Sep 14 13 09:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael Zahra
Posts: 1,080
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


If you want it for the right reason, then it's the right lens.

Love mine.
Sep 14 13 09:41 am  Link  Quote 
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