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Marlene Potfer wrote: Vote Oct 04 13 05:13 pm Link Graphix Gallery wrote: VOTE Oct 04 13 06:15 pm Link rfordphotos wrote: ditto Oct 04 13 09:31 pm Link Danny Wolf Child wrote: Vote Oct 04 13 10:12 pm Link rfordphotos wrote: Things were kept exactly equal by the contest"management" as you call it. Complaints were received about 18+ images being posted directly into the thread. The moderators were asked to look at the entries to make sure everything was compatible with the rules for posting in a forum; the moderator was of the opinion that some of the entries did not meet the guidelines. Oct 05 13 12:26 am Link I can see nipples as evidently, if not more, in some of these pictures as in mine, which was removed. I will not vote today. Oct 05 13 03:29 am Link rfordphotos wrote: Blue Ash Film Group wrote: While I understand what you are saying, when you say that neither you nor Timillia have the power to remove images. However, it appears from the statement of the moderator, that removal was requested by a contest host, JoJo wrote: What bothers me is that I asked for an explanation, of why this image https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/0 … 6beff3.jpg was removed... Mike Kelcher wrote: I got this this as an explanation, Timillia wrote: To which I replied... Mike Kelcher wrote: The model in my image is wearing 3 layers of gold opaque latex rubber which is quite thick. Actually, it's so thick that it has its' own texture. On top of that, there are 2 layers of (red) latex. Unlike most body paint, this concoction of rubber peels off like the skin of a banana in large pieces which aren't even translucent. Oct 05 13 09:21 am Link 
Model Posts: 6218 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica Mike, I contacted moderators and they removed all the images that in their opinion were considered M/18+. Oct 05 13 02:12 pm Link
Model Posts: 6218 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica Congratulations to the winners of the contest, Danny Wolf Child and Graphix Gallery (4 votes each) Danny Wolf Child wrote: Graphix Gallery wrote: Others receiving votes: Oct 05 13 02:32 pm Link Mike Kelcher wrote: With your entry you decided to push the limits of the M/18+ rule by displaying the image. Oct 05 13 02:44 pm Link Timillia wrote: Timillia, Blue Ash Film Group wrote: However, the moderator claims that my image was disqualified by a host. In the place where my image once was, it now says, JoJo wrote: Is that really your opinion?? Oct 05 13 07:28 pm Link Oh my my... I've been away on my very first "probation" for the past three for expressing a few political views. I must say that it is GREAT to be back for so many wonderful friends! There were several of you that had taken the time to read and also respond to one of my few "threads" with regard to both THIS and a couple other issues that have bugged me as a somewhat newer participant in the Forums. It is my "opinion" that there is without question a degree of "blindness" towards the actions and entries of certain folks. (Commonly known as "the good ole' boys club"!) Nevertheless, over time I feel that with enough dialog many of these issues will slowly vanish. Since I do not have a dog in this particular fight, I'll just keep my mouth shut, other than say that I agree with Mr. Kelcher. But OMG....do I have a LOT to say about other issues that just seem to be ignored. Have a GREAT evening everyone. These and other issues are certainly not resolved, of course unless one by one those of us with "opinions" and the actual desire to make things BETTER are banished from Model Mayhem. What will we do then? Oct 05 13 09:47 pm Link
Model Posts: 6218 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica There were a total of four images that were removed that day. I saw areola in three of the images, I asked mods to remove because they should have been linked as 18+. Mods removed the three images I requested plus they had removed a fourth. The images that remained I did not see areola in that is why they were not removed. I am accepting responsibility for having three of the four images removed. Oct 05 13 10:26 pm Link
Model Posts: 6218 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica I forgot to add that there were complaints about 18+ images being in the thread. Oct 05 13 11:26 pm Link Just a little food for thought.... Don't you all think that it is somewhat odd that "MODS" are also involved in submitting their OWN images into contests as well? Oh sure, maybe NOT into the actual contests that they moderate, but I "think" in many others that they don't. So one might wonder why should this matter? Well IN MY OPINION it matters because of what we have seen tonight. Is there ANYONE who thinks that there will not be natural divides and ramifications among us participants as we come to our OWN conclusions as to what we think is right or wrong, fair or unfair? Human nature folks. Is there ANYONE who thinks that these types of situations will not cause deep rooted hard feelings among differing groups? Dang people, I was blessed to have WON "FIVE" "Photographer of the Day" Contests in September, which was the most of anyone. Do you think that my "automatic" entries of those FIVE images that were voted on by THIS GROUP will EVER have a snowball in hell's prayer as being selected as "Photographer of the Month? Why of course NOT. Was any one of my images the "best" for the month, in my opinion, hardly NOT. But dig this, there is quite a difference between having the "BEST" voted on SINGLE IMAGE from a "Photographer" or "Model", in any given month which as far as I am aware, DOES NOT EXIST. For ANY and ALL of us, being selected as the "Photographer of the Month" perhaps should simply be based on the total wins and total votes within that given month? (We ALL have the exact same opportunity participate, submit images and VOTE as everyone else. (Oh you are sooo busy.) No kidding, we all are. At the end of every month, there should be NO drama and NO politics, as the VOTES had ALREADY been calculated and counted at months end. IT's done and YOU WON!!!!! Yea!!!! Congratulations! So what's MY POINT???? My point is that we "should" allow the voting during the days of the month to DO THE TALKING. At the end of each month, this all should be a moot point and the clique's have ZERO say over the matter. (Again...I'm only speaking about the model & photographers of the "month". Don't FRET...Let's still have a vote for any single image that ANY of us would like to present as maybe a new "IMAGE OF THE MONTH" Contest. (Give it your BEST shot!) Am I F'ued up? I don't think so, just practical and fair. Of course, the S#%T will undoubtedly hit the fan there too! Additionally, do you all not find it somewhat odd that a frickin' mannequin can be named as the absolute best of the best? Let's all go to Nordstrom's or Bloomingdale's and shoot display images as if they were real live interactive humans with blinking eyes that actually DO matter. It's amazing what tripods and lights can do for the static creative process. But OMG, we are totally taken back by some select images. (True...they ARE beautiful) Odly enough, it also seems to me that this "group" of "still photographers" rarely EVER cast a single vote for those who shoot rapidly moving images that require that split second timing to get a decent image. (Let alone the extensive process to enhance the focus, exposure and general editing of a fairly average image.) (Speaking of myself of course.) Anyway....I'm done with this soapbox. I'll accept whatever punishment that those with power decide to render on me "FOREVER". Oh my, I did break the rules again and comment. I'm such a cheat. Please excuse my terrible grammar as I never went past the third grade, am dyslexic, suffer from severe memory loss and am a rude and terrible person to everyone that I meet. (Especially my models.) James Ross PS...If I'm wrong about the mannequin images, I am so TERRIBLY sorry. It was just the seams at the arms, wrists and waist that caught my attention. Otherwise....just amazing! Oct 05 13 11:54 pm Link JAMES ROSS - 867-5309 wrote: Timilla , is not a moderator she is a Contest host , she helps to run several other contests , on this site as a volunteer as well as been a well respected member of MM . Oct 06 13 12:31 am Link Steve, My entire point apparently just blew right over your head. Okay...I now know that "hosts" do not have the authority to omit images that they deem not acceptable. (My bad). As to your usage of the word hijack, hardly Steve. Although you are apparently unaware as a gatekeeper, what resulted yesterday was a mirror image of what I HAD actually written in a thread that "I" had posted two weeks ago. There were MANY responses and personal message regarding the contents of my thread. Apparently much of what was said yesterday simply manifested in what had taken place yesterday. Since I'd MUCH RATHER speak my piece directly to those that I participate with on an almost daily basis, I "THOUGHT" Steve that yesterday was a perfect day to also address the Photographer of the "MONTH" suggestion. (Here and now) So why Steve, the why is because the Forum threads are FULL of people that are NOT involved with so many of us on a daily basis, and far too many of them are there to just cause trouble and to provoke as much as they can. These are the ones who often have 15,000 to 20,000 thread posts, often do not enter our contests, and most likely have not shot an image since they joined in 2008 or when-the-hell -ever. So I ask you Steve, just "who" is in charge of making the decisions for the "Photographer and/or Model of the MONTH. I in fact DID look first, but there was NO monitors name nor listing for that subject matter. "Thinking" that since so many were being open and candid with comments yesterday, I felt SAFE that in the spirit of what was happening, that I would not be the one chastised for comments that were plastered all of this contest yesterday. Rather than rebuke, one would hope that my comments were taken in the "context" that they were written and even "hopefully" they would have made even a little sense to a few people. Anyway Steve, I told you that I was stupid and uneducated. Now I am wee wee come-fused. I'll take your advise and just keep my mouth shut. PS...And Timilla, this was not about you, it was about the "system". Yes, you are VERY talented and I too respect you and your generous time and efforts you give for us all. God only knows what a prick I would be if I were a host, gatekeeper or mod. Maybe I'll just take more flower images with bubble bees flying through the tiny flowers. That's a hell of a lot less stress. Happy Sunday and on to the next! James Oct 06 13 07:04 am Link James i will respond once here only . I was fully aware of the thread you are refering . https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=904108 Just because i didnt post does not mean that i did not see it or read it . As is stated in the rules found here regarding contests . https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=901619 It clearly states " you may contact the hosts to ask questions regarding their respective contests." If you wish to debate this openly in site related or via pm , i leave with you . to decide but please referencing your dislike over the way the monthly contests are run , in a Concept of the day thread , This is thread jacking , as all other discussions here were in direct response to this contest and images being removed for this contest . If you wish to see the host for . POTM( photographer of the month ) https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … st18292243 and MOTM( model of the month ) https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … st18292231 And i will respond asap . stevie SJH photography MM forum guide Oct 06 13 07:36 am Link
Model Posts: 6218 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica I would first like to apologize to you Mike and to the other contestants for my error in ruling and requesting that your images be removed. It was my fault, I was definitely wrong and I am very sorry for that. After further discussion it has been determined by administration that many of the images were not 18+ and could have remained in the contest that day. I honestly thought I was following MM's mature guidelines and was not trying to set the contest up to favor or be unfair to anyone. I further apologize to all of the other members and or anyone else this may have affected for all the drama this issue has created in this thread. I hope you all will forgive me. -Milly Oct 06 13 09:17 am Link Timillia/Milly, Everyone makes mistakes. I'm actually glad it was your mistake. I know that might sound "odd", but it's true. I've never had any sort of problem with either you or the other hosts of any contest. I know that contest hosts put in a lot of time and effort and unless things have changed, they don't get paid for it. I appreciate your time and effort and thank you for it. This particular contest was conducted on one single day in time, October 4th. Life goes on. Your error did not result in any fatalities or injuries. So it really wasn't that bad, and it won't have a negative affect on the future, as far as I'm concerned. I'm certainly not angry. Heck, I'm not even disappointed. I commend you for the courage to admit that you made a mistake. It takes a lot of guts to do that. Many people don't have the necessary "intestinal fortitude" to make such admissions. I will admit to questioning the reasoning behind my image disqualification and for the questioning the fairness, but I now believe that it was merely a simple mistake. I thank you for your explanation and look forward to continued participation in this and other contests. Again, thank you for providing an explanation, which is all I ever wanted. Sincerely, Mike Kelcher Oct 06 13 11:58 am Link Martin Schiff Photo wrote: Vote Oct 06 13 01:47 pm Link Mike Kelcher wrote: Is there any wonder why Mr. Kelcher is so very much respected? He speaks his mind and then has the class to be kind. And Timilla, you also showed a TON of class as well dear. Oct 06 13 01:54 pm Link Timillia rocks , she is the coolest , and an awesome model and Mod , Mr. Kelcher rocks , a great photographer , glad all is well in MM land , this is a great contest , friendly and fun , let's always keep it that way ! Oct 06 13 08:16 pm Link |
