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Model
JaiV
Posts: 1
Harrisonburg, Virginia, US


I'm not a mua or hair stylistic by any stretch, but I can't afford to pay one for an avant garde shoot, so I have to do my own. Any tips on making hair styles and makeup a bit easier?
Oct 19 13 10:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S de Varax
Posts: 7,271
Paris, Île-de-France, France


that could mean anything as avant garde is open to interpretation.
Oct 19 13 02:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


To be frank, it sounds like a recipe for disaster and a wasted shoot.

Trying to do an "avant garde" shoot without a MUA or hairstylist and a model who knows nothing about "avant garde" hair or makeup is really not a very promising scenario.

I would suggest trying to find another theme.




Just my $0.02

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Oct 19 13 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Solas
Posts: 9,488
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I think in terms of tips and suggestions, that has to come from your own unique inspiration - from within. How you do that, well that's half the fun of it. Make mistakes, be creative. Try to create something different from what you see, and envision within you. I think I have always heard the term used in this context - to create something ahead of the curve- absent of trend; to be "cutting edge". "avant garde"

Literally means to create something new, surprising, innovative.

So, in order to get there - you have to get creative, do something different, from everything else you've seen..and experiment. "Making mistakes is part of the creative process" as a model told me today.
Oct 19 13 09:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,757
Los Angeles, California, US


your post is sooooooo vague

Avant-guarde dosent mean complicated nessarily ............

id look up the word and related words and use that as your inspiration    then id suggest creating a mood board of all the Avant _ Guarde makeups you like that you think you could pull off


some of the simplist makeups ive done are considered avant guarde
i think you need to understand what makes something avant -guarde before you even  attempt it
Oct 20 13 06:52 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 746
Los Angeles, California, US


You, as a model, shouldn't be paying for the hair and makeup artists unless you are paying the photographer for photos for your book. You need to tell the person whose shoot this is that your hair and makeup skills are not adequate for this type of shoot. If you are indeed paying the photographer and it's your shoot, you should postpone it until you have saved enough to pay proper artists. Not much point to doing a shoot that will result in unusable photos because the hair and makeup weren't done well.
Oct 20 13 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
Tiffany_B
Posts: 1,338
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, US


Makeup by Dani B wrote:
You, as a model, shouldn't be paying for the hair and makeup artists unless you are paying the photographer for photos for your book. You need to tell the person whose shoot this is that your hair and makeup skills are not adequate for this type of shoot. If you are indeed paying the photographer and it's your shoot, you should postpone it until you have saved enough to pay proper artists. Not much point to doing a shoot that will result in unusable photos because the hair and makeup weren't done well.

I don't fully agree with this. You don't know what arrangement was made between the OP and the photographer so you don't really have any right to say who should be paying for what. Consider that it is possible that the agreement was made that the model would supply hair and make-up for whatever reason. You also don't know that the shoot idea didn't belong to the OP hence why she's looking for tips. Beyond that though I do fully agree that there's zero point in doing a shoot where it's likely the the images will be unusable because the skills aren't there.

OP: If this is a shoot that you've set up, seriously rethink the theme. Any work that's going into photography, styling or setting will likely be wasted if your hair and make-up aren't amazing. If it's a shoot that you've been contacted about doing be honest with the photographer about your limitations and either allow them some time to find a model who can handle her own hair and make-up or work with you to find (and finance) a solution.

If neither of those things is an option for whatever reason then you may want to seek out a student who's looking to break into theatrical make-up or an MUA and hairstylist who are looking to revamp their books. If you don't have a make-up school near you try inquiring at a local theater and see if the photographer is willing to allow them to use images of the work in trade.

Oct 20 13 02:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 746
Los Angeles, California, US


Tiffany_B wrote:

I don't fully agree with this. You don't know what arrangement was made between the OP and the photographer so you don't really have any right to say who should be paying for what. Consider that it is possible that the agreement was made that the model would supply hair and make-up for whatever reason. You also don't know that the shoot idea didn't belong to the OP hence why she's looking for tips. Beyond that though I do fully agree that there's zero point in doing a shoot where it's likely the the images will be unusable because the skills aren't there.

OP: If this is a shoot that you've set up, seriously rethink the theme. Any work that's going into photography, styling or setting will likely be wasted if your hair and make-up aren't amazing. If it's a shoot that you've been contacted about doing be honest with the photographer about your limitations and either allow them some time to find a model who can handle her own hair and make-up or work with you to find (and finance) a solution.

If neither of those things is an option for whatever reason then you may want to seek out a student who's looking to break into theatrical make-up or an MUA and hairstylist who are looking to revamp their books. If you don't have a make-up school near you try inquiring at a local theater and see if the photographer is willing to allow them to use images of the work in trade.

No, I don't know who set the shoot up, never said I did. That is why I said in my original post, "...the person whose shoot this is... and ...(if)it's your shoot..." My point was that the person calling the shots, whether that is the photographer, model, AD, CD, client, whoever is writing the checks...this person should be the person who hires a proper artist. That might be her, that might be someone else. Either way, if her skills are not up for it, she shouldn't be doing it. Whether or not you think I have "the right" to give this advice is irrelevant. What is relevant is the 20+ years I have been earning a living doing this full time and the experience and understanding of how this industry works based on that experience. Who pays is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact based on the way the industry is run.

Oct 20 13 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
Tiffany_B
Posts: 1,338
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, US


Makeup by Dani B wrote:
No, I don't know who set the shoot up, never said I did. That is why I said in my original post, "...the person whose shoot this is... and ...(if)it's your shoot..." My point was that the person calling the shots, whether that is the photographer, model, AD, CD, client, whoever is writing the checks...this person should be the person who hires a proper artist. That might be her, that might be someone else. Either way, if her skills are not up for it, she shouldn't be doing it. Whether or not you think I have "the right" to give this advice is irrelevant. What is relevant is the 20+ years I have been earning a living doing this full time and the experience and understanding of how this industry works based on that experience. Who pays is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact based on the way the industry is run.

All I will say in response to this is as follows:

1) We agree on the important part of the issue which is that the OP shouldn't do her own make-up for this if she's unskilled as it will likely result in unusable images. In that vein I even offered what could be a workable solution.

2) We can simply agree to disagree relative to the advice you provided regarding the model not paying for make-up, it's been my experience that every shoot is it's own unique animal and the person writing the check isn't always the same person calling the shots creatively and moreover that without knowing the parties involved that it's irresponsible to say what or how things should be done financially.

Oct 20 13 07:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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