Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
I'm actually not reaching that far. In a natural state, all humans have body hair. Women have body hair. Since you prefer that women remove body hair, you are preferring that women alter themselves from their natural state.

So stop dancing around this "naturalness" thing with CT.

I think you are missing an important point, and that is in our natural state humans also have brains. Any alterations that WE choose to make based on our brains, or what our brains can invent are just as natural.

It is natural for a deer to rub the velvet off its antlers. In fact there are lots of animals who by instinct do things to assist in the process of removing parts of their anatomy.

If it is natural for a chimpanzee to take a twig to pick stuff off their teeth, it is natural for humans to have invented toothbrushes. There is nothing unnatural about going to the dentist to have the tartar removed compared to just letting it accumulate and eventually lose teeth.

Similarly, our natural minds created the tools that allow for hair removal in an easy and convenient manner. I would not call you hypocritical or not natural because you choose to not shave your pits and pubes yet also chose to not allow the hair on your head to grow to its maximum length. Whatever the mind of mankind can conceive is natural.

Scott_Williams wrote:
as a photographer, my job is to make the model look better than she already does.
I would never publish degrading shots of my model. I would do everything in my power to make her ad sexy and appealing as possible. NO QUESTION!!!!!!

BUT, is camel toe degrading?  That is my question!  Not all this side BS about being natural and parsley.

Again, this question was directed at models.  Photographer don't need to respond.  Your opinion is irrelevant to the question at hand.

Innovative Imagery wrote:

BUT, is camel toe degrading?  That is my question!  Not all this side BS about being natural and parsley.

Again, this question was directed at models.  Photographer don't need to respond.  Your opinion is irrelevant to the question at hand.

Degrading? No. Oftentimes unnecessary to the overall image? Yes. Not something everyone wants to show? Yes.


Also, you really ought to get over the idea that when you post publicly in the forums you're going to be able to tell certain people they're not allowed to post or their opinion doesnt matter. Thats not how the forums work. (Im surprised you dont know this already, your post count is high enough   )

Innovative Imagery wrote:

BUT, is camel toe degrading?  That is my question!  Not all this side BS about being natural and parsley.

Again, this question was directed at models.  Photographer don't need to respond.  Your opinion is irrelevant to the question at hand.

I love it when I'm irrelevant  .  .  .  I guess I'll go back and sulk in my cave  .  .  .  with the camels  .  .  .  and, their toes  .  .  . 

SOS

K I C K H A M wrote:

http://www.cuchini.com/cuchini-fashion- … uy-cuchini

This wouldn't necessarily be practical for every photoshoot.

2 daughters and I still learn something new.

Innovative Imagery wrote:

BUT, is camel toe degrading?  That is my question!  Not all this side BS about being natural and parsley.

Again, this question was directed at models.  Photographer don't need to respond.  Your opinion is irrelevant to the question at hand.

is your questioning about whether cameltoes are degrading to a model?  i thought you asked

"Is this just an acceptable part of beachwear style today and should be ignored or addressed? "

**no its not a style of beachwear this is a result of models whom arent bodily aware or fashion conscious. whether it should be ignored or addressed is whether or not you want it in your pics.  **

"Do you want them to dance around the topic or be direct?  Or should they just Photoshop it without letting you know? "
**you have the right to photoshop it out without asking. if you dont want it and its there then go for it.  if the girl keeps picking clothes or poses that exacerbate it,  show her the sample images and see if she notices... if she doesnt photoshop it out later,  if she does then she will either correct or embellish the wild camel**

"Does the type of session, ie Fashion or Glamor make a difference to you? "
** of course!  does times your penis falls out of its pants matter to you?  a sexual tease is a sexual tease.... there are appropriate times and not so appropriate times.  IF you are shooting in a genre thats asexual and neither of you are aiming for sex appeal then it shold probably be avoided

"When is little OK, when is it too much? " "
**thats way too subjective and you'd have to ask the girls you were shooting.  no one can decide a level of sexual acceptability to anyone elses modeling.  However i think there is a line between showing side boob or underboob and showing nipple definition through clothes... i think if you have a hint that the anatomy is there its fine for my shoots,  but if you can map out the whole kit and caboodle then im not down for that   but you're not shooting me so that doesnt matter**

IMnPhoto wrote:
Verbal Olympics: "How do models feel about camel toe?"

Direct Question: "Does it matter to you, if I portray you in such a way that your clothing triggers sexual thoughts and/or reactions?"

You're taking a poll with an extremely subjective topic, which can be easily answered by looking at each model's portfolio.

Models that are very conservative will say that they do not want people to think about their genitalia when they see their photo.

Fine art (or maybe boudoir) models will say it depends on whether it looks comfortable or sexy in the particular photo.

I totally disagree. I do fine art nudes and I am not a fan of camel toe in pics. Please don't answer for us. THIS is why the OP asked the models and not the photographers to answer his question.

Isis22 wrote:
I totally disagree. I do fine art nudes and I am not a fan of camel toe in pics. Please don't answer for us. THIS is why the OP asked the models and not the photographers to answer his question.

The OP asked the photographers to refrain for purely sexist reasons.

The assumption is that all models are females against it,  and all photographers are males in favor.
Fortunately opinions are like assholes.

Innovative Imagery wrote:

I am sure it varies upon anyone's specific anatomy, but by and large, and without being too graphic and going by my dating experience instead of my photography experience, I remember having to do a bit of combing before I could even find the external let alone see them.

And I can't resist, but I'll bet trimming, waxing or not HAS been a nom factor ! 

tee hee hee out loud laugh for my typo.

For me...wax or not its hard to hide my anatomy. What with already being ling waisted and pant trying to wedge up and then...well just. Grooming habits arent relevant.

Although it is a very personal thing to just allow to be obvious. Not necessarilly meant to be on display so readily at every moment of the day, let alone in every shot.

Caitin  wrote:
I tried a piercing once and after 2 weeks it annoyed me so much I had to just remove it.

Mine wasnt a problem at all. Probably cushioned well. I practically forgot it was even there in a day and it was ignorable unless I intentionally noticed it. Dif anatomy im sure.

Connor Photography wrote:
Can you post a picture of your CT?  I'd like to develop the "CONCEPT"  for our shoot. ..... hahaha.

I actually have clothes that are designed for a comfortable camel toe.
Instead of posting some of the older stuff I have, I will have the photographers I am working this week take a few minutes to shoot a fresh one to post. I am sure they won't mind.

Which would you like?
One that just barely covers the middle leaving the labia exposed to say hello?
One that is covered in a shear when wet material?
One covered by regular material?
Or one where there is just a finger hiding my clitoris?

Laura UnBound wrote:

Degrading? No. Oftentimes unnecessary to the overall image? Yes. Not something everyone wants to show? Yes.


Also, you really ought to get over the idea that when you post publicly in the forums you're going to be able to tell certain people they're not allowed to post or their opinion doesnt matter. Thats not how the forums work. (Im surprised you dont know this already, your post count is high enough   )

Hi Laura,

Yes, I know that many won't be able to help themselves, but I thought I would give it the old college try.  Reading is fundamental.     

If it was a general topic, then of course all could reply, but this question was directed at how models feel about this issue.  Men love to look all day long!  I get that.  Some photographers don't want it in their picture while others crave it.  I get that !  What I wanted to know is how models feel about the topic as a means of general courtesy.  I may not be that current when it comes to sartorial styles nowadays and was looking for clarification.

Certainly when doing tease and erotic imagery, camel toe and more is the norm.  I wasn't talking about that, but in general or fashion images or portraiture.

orias wrote:
is your questioning about whether cameltoes are degrading to a model?  i thought you asked

"Is this just an acceptable part of beachwear style today and should be ignored or addressed? "

That was the original question, but then a responder made the comment about it being degrading and I asked a follow up question in an effort to clarify the subject.

In my day, young people would have been mortified if their bra straps showed.  Nowadays, it is either not a big deal or it is a fashion statement or deliberate choice.  I wondered if camel toe had reached the same point in the general population.  There will always be elements of society that are very modest in dress, so I am not so much asking about them, but then general populaces acceptance of the condition.

Drew Smith Photography wrote:

Sorry buddy - excuse not accepted. I find that term particularly offensive.

Sadly the MODS do not.

+1

Caitin Bre wrote:

Lighten up have some fun. Do you ever shoot fun things? Have fun shoots?

There is a shot in my port that was actually a little joke. I am sitting on a ever last ball showing my shaved vulva. It was for fun but people loved it. I think I might put a few more fun shots up now. I want to do a fun shoot all about camel toe as the theme now.

Got my creative thinking cap on going crazy with ideas. I have to find a camel for the back ground. Maybe in a small desert town.
Any photographers want to work with me on this idea?

How about sliding off a camel facing the camera in a tight ill fitting sheer poorly made transparent neon colored smallish but stylish tiny pair of panties ?

That Italian Guy wrote:
If it works with the mood of the image then I might leave it.

http://stefanobrunesci.tumblr.com/image/54857773519 (18+)

But generally speaking, for fashion images it's probably better removed.





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Not ragging on you, but that doesn't look like camel toe at all compared to the OP's pic....if it is, then the OP's pic is considered "camel foot".

Does the same thing go for "frog eye"(male camel toe)?

Caitin Bre wrote:

I love you Udor.
I can't wait for our shoot this spring. Will it be OK if I shave? Or will you want me to let the parsley grow? I think we should add a creative shoot dedicated to the Camel Toe. What do you think? I am sure we can come up with something artistic to provoke thought.

When the rain hits my dress and I am dancing in the street there is a good chance that the wet dress will cling to my vulva and make a beautiful camel toe.

Why do you feel the need to discuss your personal vagina monlogue shoot at length  in this thread. Can't you accomplish this in a private message unless the intention is " Hey look at me and my camel toe?"

Great. You have a vagina. Wonderful. You are going to shoot with Udor. He's going to shoot your labia and whatever else.

Fantastic.

Caitin Bre wrote:
I actually have clothes that are designed for a comfortable camel toe.
Instead of posting some of the older stuff I have, I will have the photographers I am working this week take a few minutes to shoot a fresh one to post. I am sure they won't mind.

Which would you like?
One that just barely covers the middle leaving the labia exposed to say hello?
One that is covered in a shear when wet material?
One covered by regular material?
Or one where there is just a finger hiding my clitoris?

Wtf?

Cherrystone wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBIGwtyqBhA

sweetcheekscouture wrote:

Why do you feel the need to discuss your personal vagina monlogue shoot at length  in this thread. Can't you accomplish this in a private message unless the intention is " Hey look at me and my camel toe?"

Great. You have a vagina. Wonderful. You are going to shoot with Udor. He's going to shoot your labia and whatever else.

Fantastic.

Why the hate?
Maybe the forum should be only about direct answers and just to the point huh? Then it could be boring and dull and just die out like so many others have.
A lot find entertainment in MM forum. If it wasn't entertaining I think the lurking would just go somewhere else. There is a lot who just Lurk.
Have fun. Be Happy.

Caitin Bre wrote:
Why the hate?
Maybe the forum should be only about direct answers and just to the point huh? Then it could be boring and dull and just die out like so many others have.
A lot find entertainment in MM forum. If it wasn't entertaining I think the lurking would just go somewhere else. There is a lot who just Lurk.
Have fun. Be Happy.

This isn't Dear Penthouse.

    "Excessively crass sex talk and vulgar language are not welcome here."

sweetcheekscouture wrote:

This isn't Dear Penthouse.

    "Excessively crass sex talk and vulgar language are not welcome here."

Your right I know nobody here would ever want to shoot for penthouse. Or in penthouse style.OOps (sarcasm shouldn't be allowed) Right?

Sometimes a fun thread is... well.... fun.

Changing it up breaks the monotony. It gets boring shooting the same style every shoot. Threads like this brings some fun work in the middle. I love creative changes. I love shooting with all styles of photographers. Makes it fun and exciting.
I am tired of green M&Ms all the time I WANT SOME RED ONES once in a while.
If you really paid attention to the real audience of MM you will notice that it has a very big penthouse crowed. If you took it away what do you think would happen to this site?

The subject is Camel Toes. Ad something to it! You can start a thread in site related if you want to suggest a change in MM posting style. Don't be such a party pooper.

Caitin Bre wrote:
Your right I know nobody here would ever want to shoot for penthouse. Or in penthouse style.OOps (sarcasm shouldn't be allowed) Right?

Sometimes a fun thread is... well.... fun.

Changing it up breaks the monotony. It gets boring shooting the same style every shoot. Threads like this brings some fun work in the middle. I love creative changes. I love shooting with all styles of photographers. Makes it fun and exciting.
I am tired of green M&Ms all the time I WANT SOME RED ONES once in a while.
If you really paid attention to the real audience of MM you will notice that it has a very big penthouse crowed. If you took it away what do you think would happen to this site?

The subject is Camel Toes. Ad something to it! You can start a thread in site related if you want to suggest a change in MM posting style. Don't be such a party pooper.

I quoted the rules.

Thread topic is one thing. You are off topic,  attention whoring and crass as well as vulgar.

I wasn't talking about shooting for Penthouse. I was talking about Dear Penthouse where people talk in pornographic terms much in the fashion that you speak except I think that they are proofread.

While I realize that there are people that shoot for porn sites this is not supposed to be a porn site.

Try not to treat it like one.

Innovative Imagery wrote:
Yes, I know that many won't be able to help themselves, but I thought I would give it the old college try.  Reading is fundamental. 

As is situational awareness. A church is not a courtroom is not a dive bar is not a family picnic.

You're certainly welcome to ASK for something, but when it's not the cultural norm for the venue, it's unreasonable to expect it--or consider it their fault for not complying.

Caitin Bre wrote:
Why the hate?

Situational awareness is important. Things that might be fine when discussed in a bar with friends might not be the best choice of topic at Thanksgiving dinner with family.

Caitin Bre wrote:
I actually have clothes that are designed for a comfortable camel toe.
Instead of posting some of the older stuff I have, I will have the photographers I am working this week take a few minutes to shoot a fresh one to post. I am sure they won't mind.

Which would you like?
One that just barely covers the middle leaving the labia exposed to say hello?
One that is covered in a shear when wet material?
One covered by regular material?
Or one where there is just a finger hiding my clitoris?

Did you just use the word "fresh" in a thread about camel toe?

John Jebbia wrote:

Did you just use the word "fresh" in a thread about camel toe?

John. you are reading too much into her comments.
Caitlin, do what you wish. I am sure your audience will be pleased

Innovative Imagery wrote:
That was the original question, but then a responder made the comment about it being degrading and I asked a follow up question in an effort to clarify the subject.

In my day, young people would have been mortified if their bra straps showed.  Nowadays, it is either not a big deal or it is a fashion statement or deliberate choice.  I wondered if camel toe had reached the same point in the general population.  There will always be elements of society that are very modest in dress, so I am not so much asking about them, but then general populaces acceptance of the condition.

Forgive me, but you make it sound like "Camel Toe" is a fairly recent  discovery/invention.

Meghana Lynn wrote:
As a woman attracted to women, I personally love cameltoe...

God bless you Meghana :-)