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romen cole
Posts: 153
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Farenell Photography wrote:
No, simply because over the years I've found what I as a photographer will like is vastly different than what a model will like. For instance, I'll look at a shot & think the lighting & angle is poor & the composition uninteresting. A model will often look at that same shot & love it because it'll for instance make her boobs & butt look great.

Same goes for the preliminary pictures on the back of the camera appearing very different (especially in terms of exposure) when viewed on a computer.

+1(,000)

Oct 28 13 11:44 am  Link  Quote 
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David Kirk
Posts: 4,408
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Orca Bay Images wrote:

I occasionally show a one or two particularly good shots to the model during the shooting, especially if the model is very inexperienced. I work TF, so time isn't exactly money. We often review all the shots in a given look during a break, if the model is so inclined. I'm reviewing the pics myself, anyway.

I too review the results with the model.  I find it is the most efficient way to direct them toward what I am thinking and having them see the progression towards something better and better helps keeps them interested in shooting until I feel we have it (or aren't ever going to get there).

When reviewing I get to hear the model's feedback on the photos (likes, dislikes), but I don't allow them to delete photos.  These days storage is so inexpensive I don't usually even bother deleting the really obvious losers (e.g. flash didn't fire) before archiving all the originals.

Oct 28 13 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Justin
Posts: 21,618
Fort Collins, Colorado, US


NYMPH wrote:
It's rarely offered. In most cases that I've encountered, it's to confirm that shots are or are not within my posing limits. If the model is newer, or if the shoot is dealing with some boundaries, then this is a great method to build trust.
Damianne wrote:
This post really ties in to my experiences as well.

It can be a problem for art nude models that don't do sexualized glamour...

One more voice in this chorus.

And sometimes the limits are a bit fuzzy. I've been known to take a shot that I'm not sure is within the model's limits, then show it to the model and say, "Is this OK for you?" If it's not something they want out there, then I can delete it and shoot it again in a way that's in their limits. I haven't really lost anything.

I was once watching a pro, Joe Farace, shoot with a couple models. Constant encouragement, and he'd get excited and show the models the image from time to time. They were responsive, and it taught me a little bit about positive reinforcement.

To my memory, whenever I've said, "Hey, I'm liking that last one. Would you like to see it?" the models have been universally enthusiastic about seeing the shot.

Oct 28 13 12:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mark C Smith
Posts: 733
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I will delete a photo if it's something the model has already expressed she does not want shot...ie. if her dress slips or the corset is a bit ill-fitting and she pops a nipple in a shoot where we haven't talked about nudity or she's implicitly stated she doesn't want to do nudes. Since I know I won't be using those anyways, I have no problem deleting them to put her mind at ease.

Sometimes that happens and we don't notice it when previewing the photos. Then I'll usually send her the nipslip for a laugh before I delete it. (Depends a bit on our rapport during the shoot)
Oct 28 13 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dan OMell
Posts: 1,335
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Yes, but I'd rather not if I have a chance to explain why.
Sometimes I'm the first who deletes a frame immediately (when absolutely sure), especially in those rare occasions when you're forced to shoot in long bursts.
Oct 28 13 06:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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London Fog
Posts: 6,625
London, England, United Kingdom


No.
Oct 28 13 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Art Silva
Posts: 8,935
Santa Barbara, California, US


Leenah  wrote:

I personally don't like to look through all of the photos most of the time. Sometimes there's hundreds of pics and I get tired of looking at myself tongue The only time I'd ever ask a photographer to delete a photo is if it came out racier than we agreed upon, say maybe the angle made it more of a Hustler style photo than a Playboy nude. Otherwise, if you're paying me for the shoot, I don't feel like I have a right to ask you to erase your work.

+1

I will review some images on of a given set with the model for posing and lighting considerations, basically building the perfect composition together and getting on the same page creatively.

As far as certain angles and body parts showing, I have only had a handful of instances the model and I both agreed [mostly per request by model in the booking stage] to not have any visible labia shots. I always respect the models concerns and work within their parameters.
One model saw we had captured her "detailed privates", I basically agreed not to edit and release it until she was more comfortable with her nude modeling. It was a lovely photo and deleting was not even brought up.

On another photoshoot I did a series of studio chair/sitting nudes where the composition would have the pose would be artistic and a bit casual/seductive, and to extend one leg outward to achieve this. Being carful with shooting angles I tried to cut it close to hide the hoohaa part behind and aside the front thigh.
The best shot we got of the bunch actually showed her labia bit in the shadow.
The best solution was to burn in that spot in post to put it deeper in the shadow and she and I were trilled it worked.
Not once did she ask to delete the shot but rather we make it work because it was a shot that's portfolio worthy...
here it is on her port: http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/22980478 18+

There are ways around these situations with post processing and cropping.

Mutual trust and being creative to work around any issues popping up rather than deleting frames on camera is what needs to be practiced.
I shoot lots of film for my nudes so deleting is never a consideration anyways, but photos are more carefully composed when I shoot film anyways.

Oct 28 13 06:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Darren Brade
Posts: 2,746
London, England, United Kingdom


Looknsee Photography wrote:
Heck -- you guys show in-camera images to models?  During the session?

It can be a very good directional tool to show the model what isn't working so that they correct it. I find it speeds up the process.

No I rarely, review images with models but we may look through the images at the end of the shoot. I rarely even look at them until a few days later so I have a more objective view on selection.

Oct 29 13 02:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Eralar
Posts: 1,778
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada


Eugenya wrote:
I know that I wouldn't pose in such a way that the resulting photograph would be something I truly didn't want anyone to see.  When photographers and I are going over the shots at the end of a shoot--which is a nice way to wrap up the session--if there are some unflattering shots, I know he/she is probably not going to be using them anyway.

If by chance a photo was snapped that I really, really felt strongly about no one seeing, then I would simply ask politely if they could possibly delete it.  If they say O.K.--great.  If they say no, that's fine.  I figure it doesn't hurt to ask.  I know the pictures are the photographer's pictures, but it would be worth a shot to try.  (I haven't yet had to ask this...)

For that aspect, in TFP sessions, I build a proofs gallery with the pictures I intend to use with the approximate crop and let the model tell me if they are ok with them. But yes, going through all the pictures after the shoot is very time consuming, and doesn't show the intended crop.

Oct 29 13 03:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Christy - Lynn
Posts: 972
Elmira, New York, US


Eugenya wrote:
I know that I wouldn't pose in such a way that the resulting photograph would be something I truly didn't want anyone to see...if there are some unflattering shots, I know he/she is probably not going to be using them anyway.

This.

If a model likes my work, they should trust me to put forth images that show their best work for the shoot and my best work. I do not pick images that are unflattering to the model, that would defeat the purpose of shooting.

Oct 29 13 04:22 am  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
sdgillis
Posts: 2,422
Portland, Oregon, US


heck YES I'd delete some! Getting PAID to NOT take pictures! Now that's awesome.
Oct 29 13 12:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
1k-words-photograpy
Posts: 321
Leesburg, Virginia, US


Nope, never ever ever EVA going to happen. At least not with me and I'm pretty liberal about how I work with models.
Oct 29 13 02:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Isis22
Posts: 2,307
Muncie, Indiana, US


I've never been given the option and frankly I have never expected it. After all, I'm not running the show.
Oct 29 13 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,805
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Ultimately, unless the model is paying the photographer, it is ALWAYS the photographer's shoot. Even in trade agreements, considering it an egalitarian situation is a formality, because it isn't egalitarian at all - cannot be.

In other words, no, the model should not be deleting photos during the session. If they view the images TOGETHER afterward, and mutually decide something is just too foul for salvation, then delete it at that point.
Oct 29 13 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Art Silva
Posts: 8,935
Santa Barbara, California, US


Koryn Locke wrote:
Ultimately, unless the model is paying the photographer, it is ALWAYS the photographer's shoot. Even in trade agreements, considering it an egalitarian situation is a formality, because it isn't egalitarian at all - cannot be.

In other words, no, the model should not be deleting photos during the session. If they view the images TOGETHER afterward, and mutually decide something is just too foul for salvation, then delete it at that point.

Well said!

Oct 29 13 04:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,142
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Danielle Reid wrote:
Since this was posted in the MODEL section I thought you'd like an opinion from a model.

Personally I'd like to delete photos that I wouldn't want the world to see (or even a few select people on the internet). But it's one of those things that varies person to person.

We do not hire so that we can be told what we are paying for after-the-fact. If it were an unpaid Test or Creative, in tha case of a Test I say it should've been discussed prior to the image being created (whether or not the model may do draft-selections in-camera where images that end up being banging sometimes look asstastic). If it were a Creative, the photographer does what s/he does and the model does what s/he does. Their role, I mean. The onus is on the photographer to never allow unflattering images of the model to be published anywhere. Now, "unflattering" can at times be quite subjective - especially when Ms Model is throwing around her weight simply so she can feel she had control on the final outcome after the shooting had stopped.

Speaking personally, I'm either retardedly-selective with whom I shoot creatives with, or I pay. End of discussion neutral

Ðanny
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Koryn Locke wrote:
Ultimately, unless the model is paying the photographer, it is ALWAYS the photographer's shoot. Even in trade agreements, considering it an egalitarian situation is a formality, because it isn't egalitarian at all - cannot be.

In other words, no, the model should not be deleting photos during the session. If they view the images TOGETHER afterward, and mutually decide something is just too foul for salvation, then delete it at that point.

+1

Perfectly said borat

Oct 29 13 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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fussgangerfoto
Posts: 149
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


No matter how many times and different ways you ask this question in various forums, the answer is still no.

Would it build trust between the model and photographer? Maybe, but so would a lot of other silly things - I could give a model my car and say, just bring it back when we shoot again (instant trust!). I could give her my credit card and tell her to use it only if she gets stuck (instant trust!).

Just be professional, confident and creative and you'll earn trust. Don't look for some gimmick to win a model's admiration.  No one said you can't show a model a shot. I do that all the time when I've asked for a challenging pose or the lighting is wildly different from the norm. Sure, it provides some feedback and reinforces what you're telling them, but that's far afield from the way the OP framed this exact question in the Photography forum: Would you teach a model (how to use your camera) to delete photos?
Oct 30 13 03:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Dekilah
Posts: 4,867
Detroit, Michigan, US


Picturetaker  wrote:
would you like for the photographer t give you the option of deleting photos before ending the session?

I appreciate the option to "veto" photos when I am on the lines of my limits, particularly in erotic work. However, I also understand that many photographers do not care to do this for whatever reason and that is part of why I shoot much less erotic work than I might otherwise.

For other types of shoots, I trust my ability to pose my body (so that getting any shots past my limits is less likely to happen) and the photographers I work with. I openly discuss my limits before any shoot where things might come up.

I do like seeing photos during the shoot, but sometimes I unfortunately do not have time to look through them all, especially during a group shoot.

Oct 30 13 09:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Byron Johnson
Posts: 767
Norman, Oklahoma, US


I do a lot of nude and fetish shoots, so I do allow the models of these shoots to look through the photos afterwards and I agree to delete any they feel are too "pornographic" or explicit.  But aside from that, no.  My own experience is that there are frequently photos that I like that the model doesn't, and vice versa.  So it would be inappropriate for either of us to delete the photos we didn't like, especially in the context of a TF shoot, which is all I do.
Oct 31 13 06:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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