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Does Anyone Even Get Off of Your "Blacklist"?
Have any of you ever Blacklisted another artist? Or given anyone a chance to get off of it? I have only listed two models, and I'm not pointing the finger at models only. They will stay there until I receive the deposit money I lost, on the studio rental, when they didn't show for our shoots. The studio gives me up to 24 hours prior to the booking to cancel and receive my deposit back. These two women never called, emailed or texted that they weren't coming. I haven't heard from them to this day, five months after the fact. Your experiences? Al Apr 16 14 03:58 am Link Normal Everyday Happenings! Which is why i've stayed with just my known choices, work with in the passed good people for models and photographers. When money counts, other-wise it's a crap shoot. If models or photographers will show up or not. Apr 16 14 04:13 am Link Nope. They stay on there forever and ever, or until the end of time... which ever comes first. That way there is never even the slightest chance that I will ever waste my time and efforts on that particular model again as long as I live. There are WAY too many that are actually serious about their modeling endeavors and reputation as a professional to even consider trying a flake again. No way. I have found that using ONLY professional and/or seasoned models that have spent time building a reputation AND a list of references that can be called upon to testify, I cut the chances of being flaked upon to around 0%. If I'm bored and looking to do trade with newbies (which RARELY happens), I know I'm vulnerable to the proverbial 'flake.' To that I say: Welcome to the Mayhem! Apr 16 14 04:40 am Link Absolutely not! Apr 16 14 04:53 am Link Every single time I've let someone off the list they've fucked me over again So no, not anymore. If you get on my list, you stay on my list Apr 16 14 04:55 am Link Only if they show up with a certified bank check covering all fees! Since I know that won't happen, never!!!!  Apr 16 14 04:59 am Link Marin Photography NYC wrote: : ) Apr 16 14 05:08 am Link L Bass wrote: DING! [Perfectly stated.] Apr 16 14 05:13 am Link I find friends and relatives screw one over more then most artist contacts;) so yes, with sincere apologies I would give a person a second chance. Maybe the problem is artists are too sensitive?? Apr 16 14 05:22 am Link A wardrobe stylist screwing me over on a photoshoot at the last second, and then acting like a total loon on Twitter, pushed me more towards not unblacklisting people. Especially her. Apr 16 14 05:42 am Link Was talking with one model, who could have had a bad experence with a tog in town, and she backed out of a few simple concepts. No big deal, we didn't go through with the shoot, and it was a week before or something. In hindsight I could have been a bit more professional, but in any event I was polite and we both moved on. 3 months or so later the same model contacts me about doing a shoot similiar to what she decided against before. Rather than decline, or show her the door, we setup the shoot. We got some fun stuff, she had a good time, and now we are trying to do another shoot later this spring. Again, in hindsight, I think she had a bad experence with a gwb and was spooked a little. If I would have blocked her or listed her or even took her less seriously then I would be out on what could be a very fun shoot that could (being selfish) get me some great shots. Granted there are some who I may not work with, but the general lifespan of a "model" is so short that its not worth it for me to waste my time thinking about who I don't want to work with. Its a lot better to focus on who I do want to work with and try to make that happen as best I can. Andrew Thomas Evans www.andrewthomasevans.com Apr 16 14 06:16 am Link No - it goes on their PERMANENT RECORD!!  Apr 16 14 06:24 am Link Andrew Thomas Evans wrote: I'm blocked by someone who initially understood my being spooked into a gut realization not to do a shoot, (as you do above,) then he did a 360 and accused me of something off the wall and blocked me. ? People are people? I guess I'll never work with my blockee in the future ever, (its okay, apparently he has a hidden agenda/issue or something.) Apr 16 14 06:26 am Link I generally try and be an understanding and forgiving person, so I guess it is theoretically possible for someone to make it off my blacklist. If a model were to make an honest and sincere attempt to make the right (like paying studio fees) I would probably be open to removing them from the blacklist. With that said, I feel that there are different levels of blacklisting. A model who gets the wrong idea and bails on a shoot is way different than the model who actively spreads lies and the like. Apr 16 14 07:08 am Link Once someone goes on my list, which is a literal page in an Excel spreadsheet, they stay on, but if things have improved with them and their current status is good, it's noted. Apr 16 14 07:12 am Link John Alan Photography wrote: I'm guessing that the models knew each other and perhaps one suggest that the other be included as well. Apr 16 14 07:18 am Link Marin Photography NYC wrote: And not from the Central Bank of Lagos. Apr 16 14 07:20 am Link I follow the old saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Once someone screws me over I don't give them a second chance. There are plenty of other models out there to choose from. Apr 16 14 07:25 am Link If someone gets on my blacklist, they're probably never getting off it. I don't think I have any models on my black list. I haven't blocked anyone either since no one has been an annoyance to me, yet. Apr 16 14 07:25 am Link I've given one no-call/no-show model a second chance and we had a wonderful and productive shoot. A year or two after she had stiffed me, she PMd me admiring my work and asking for a shoot. She clearly forgot about flaking on me and I figured I'd have a little petty amusement before sending her on her way. I reminded her of the flake and I fully expected her to flee for the hills. Instead, she stood in there, apologized, explained that she's grown up a lot since then. She had a lot of guts to stand in there and take her medicine. I offered her standby status in my next shoot (essentially third model in a two-model shoot); she accepted it with no complaint. I then scheduled her for my next available slot. So glad I did. The experience reinforced that I should never say never. However, it still would take something spectacular for me to take someone off the blacklist. Apr 16 14 07:32 am Link My Black list is also a Black hole Bwahahaha Apr 16 14 07:33 am Link Nope, I never remove them. As someone said ^^above^^, I don't have time to waste on someone who isn't going to show up. A long time ago, I had a model who asked me to do a shoot. We went over ideas and she loved them. 10 minutes before the shoot I got a text from her saying she had been in a "car wreck"  . I asked her where the accident happened. She told me where it happened. Being that I live in a very small town, I took a ride there (it took me all of 10 minutes). Guess what, NOTHING. She is still on my "blacklist". It's funny because I was cleaning out my "blacklist the other day (members who have quit or moved out of my area) and I came across her profile. I took a look at it and she had written on her profile "I have been in a car wreck. I will not be doing any modeling for a few months" . She will remain on my "blacklist" forever.Apr 16 14 07:34 am Link MB Jen B wrote: Nitpick alert. Apr 16 14 07:34 am Link Nope. Apr 16 14 07:40 am Link Leopards tend not to change their spots. Apr 16 14 07:47 am Link Nope. Life to too short to waste time on people who do not respect themselves enough to respect other peoples time. Apr 16 14 07:51 am Link We all make mistakes. I'd give most people a second chance. Apr 16 14 07:56 am Link MB Jen B wrote: I've had a few clients contact me asking for rates, then nothing. Some time later they contact me again asking for rates, and we setup a shoot. One of them being via a text message which brought up our conversation from the previous year. They didn't seem to remember, and I wasn't going to bring it up, or care. Apr 16 14 08:01 am Link Drew Smith Photography wrote: There are mistakes and then there are fuck-yous. Apr 16 14 08:08 am Link Orca Bay Images wrote: This happened to me a really long time ago when I was living in Newport News, Virginia and I was a member on Musecube. It turned out that the model did this to all the photographers in the area. One of them figured out where she lived (a few houses down from the address she gave all of us) by knocking on doors and asking if the girl lived there. When he figured it out, he began letting others know who she was and what she was doing. She was ruined pretty fast. Apr 16 14 08:21 am Link Oh man, I've never needed to blacklist anyone, but I've never had to put down a deposit and had someone flake.  I have, however been blacklisted and I'm still not sure why. I think my 17 year old self forgot to reply to a message in early shoot planning process (which I regret because it still reflects on my character to this day). I've been on MM since 2008 and I believe it happened in 2009. You'd think it'd cross his mind though, that if I'm still on MM at 22, I might be taking it a bit more seriously  But seriously, I think everything is circumstantial. Apr 16 14 08:44 am Link Why would I give someone a second chance to screw me over,..... no never. Apr 16 14 08:46 am Link People change so sometimes I do give models a second chance, problem is, each time I've done so, I have regretted it. Apr 16 14 09:04 am Link Never used it. Don't know if I am on one, nor do I care either. Just move on after one attempt, and don't engage in some long and lengthy epistolary diatribe. Apr 16 14 09:15 am Link I'm a pretty easy going guy and like most people. So if someone has pissed me off to the point of being 86'd, there's probably little chance of that changing. Apr 16 14 10:25 am Link John Alan Photography wrote: I've only had two models on my unofficial (unpublicized) blacklist based on what you describe. Apr 16 14 10:39 am Link Does Anyone Even Get Off of Your "Blacklist"? I assume that you mean the MM "Block This Member" list. I've used it rarely, and I visit my list even less often. Eventually, after a long time, I might clean out that list -- I can always reblock the member. John Alan Photography wrote: You can do what you want, but there is something in this arrangement that makes me uncomfortable. Unless you documented the consequences of flaking before you & these models agreed to work together, I don't think it is appropriate to hold them accountable for your lost deposits. I get the impression that you are redefining your contract with these models after the fact. Apr 16 14 10:52 am Link lynne g wrote: If you are on, you are on. Friends and relatives you have to give another chance. Models---no. Apr 16 14 11:34 am Link I have no "blacklist" ... the TV show is great though! Apr 16 14 11:40 am Link Andrew Thomas Evans wrote: +1000 for giving someone a second chance even though it may not have gone well, it did....enough said Apr 16 14 11:47 am Link |
