Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
99cm or 39 in hips is a no-no for a fashion model. at 5' 11" they want you at around 9 stones or 125 lb. seldom will a designer make clothes to fit you. the agency needs models at the standard sample size.

they don't care what you think is "womanly". they need you to fit the clothes to be marketable. unless you are so famous, you can use just your first name, they don't care what you think.

I do know this, I have done my research and I do know that catwalk models are only a clothes hanger for them!
Simply trying to find a different agency that are willing

Hannahrew wrote:
Hi guys
So I'm 19 and have been in the fashion industry for a good 3 years and I'm signed to a local agency but looking to widen my range of work throughout the uk.
Here's my issue;

At 16 I was scouted by a number of top agencies including elite, select, boss and storm. I chose to stick with elite and they kept me on for around a year working with me. Then I was told to make my measurements smaller ( lose weight basically).
They wanted my waist down to 90cm at least, from 101cm and my waist down to 60cm from 66cm.
As you can imagine as a 16 year old girl who's shape was still changing it massively knocked my confidence and I thought about  it for a while, but I just decided to stay healthy and happy and keep a womanly figure.
Yes I understand it's a very hard industry and I expected no less but if I was to go any smaller I would simply look ill with no figure at all.
I workout and take care of what I eat and my body. I simply want an agency that will accept a healthy girl that yes has a bum, which is somewhat unheard of it seems.

So yeah that's the situation, I'm putting it out there to see if you guys know of any successful agencies that have  models with a normal slim shape.
My measurements are now;

5'11
Waist ; 63
Hips; 99
Dress size; 8/10

I'm just sick to death of being told to be smaller, when I am happy as I am !

Thanks for taking to time to read and appreciate any help or advice I get

No one is forcing you to do anything you don't want to. Do what makes you happy. Maybe somethings just ain't your thing.

Tooley St wrote:
Hi Hannah,

Hughes Models have recently opened their books up to accepting UK Sizes 8/ 10 (US Sizes 4/ 6)
You're a truly stunning lady.  Great height, smooth jawline etc. and if you're ever down in London, (possibly casting for Hughes!) let's grab a cuppa.

Always interested in networking.

My very best of success to you,

Jasmine Tooley xx

Hi jasmine thankyou for that I'll definitely check them out, definitely yes!

Kind regards xx

J Jessica wrote:
What is 'womanly figure'?
o__O

77 cents on the dollar, unfortunately.

http://www.pay-equity.org/info-time.html

Hannahrew wrote:
I do know this, I have done my research and I do know that catwalk models are only a clothes hanger for them!
Simply trying to find a different agency that are willing

So heres the thing. Agency that wants you to be smaller books gigs for models doing print work. The stylist pulls the same clothes that are used on the catwalk for the shoot. The models that agency sends have to fit those clothes, regardless of if that models ever worked a catwalk. The stylist probably has no idea which model the agency is sending, they dont have to know, they're all the same size.

If you sign with an agency who is okay with your current measurements, what do you think you're going to wear when they book you for gigs?


If agencies start accepting odd sized people, designers have to start making clothes for odd sized people, the stylist has to know that you're odd sized so that they pull the right clothes, etc etc. Eventually whats the point in standard sizes if you're going to go through the trouble of accommodating everything to an odd sized person?


You might find an agency that makes exceptions by an inch or two, but your hips are way over, and its probably bone, not fat, so you can't do much to change it even if you tried.



Side note: Im a woman too, my figure is just as womanly as yours or someone the size of the both of us put together. You might want to consider your wording.

3068875 wrote:

77 cents on the dollar, unfortunately.

http://www.pay-equity.org/info-time.html

Ah, I see. Quite sad.

MartaBrixton wrote:
I think your figure is not really considered as curvy or ''womanly'' and you don't really look different than fashion models.
I don't see a point of complaining, you either do what they want or leave. You have a great face and it's up to you if you follow their rules and be successful or feel sorry for yourself because you have a few cms more.
You are not far from their standards.
I know what you mean because as a really curvy woman there is no place for me but in your situation your ''problem'' is not bad...

I never said I was curvy and I am not complaining I'm putting my point out there simply.
Neither am I feeling sorry for myself.
You don't know me personally to know if I have a womanly figure or if my 'problem' I have scratched the surface of what has been said / happened, you don't have to be plus size to have a womanly figuire! End of.

3068875 wrote:
77 cents on the dollar, unfortunately.

http://www.pay-equity.org/info-time.html

J Jessica wrote:
Ah, I see. Quite sad.

I realize this is off-topic...but since it was brought up, there are a lot of studies that refute this disparity.  For instance, for two decades now there have been more women in business school at college than men.  There are also more college educated women in the workforce now than men.  This is from US Govt studies.  The organization refererenced here has an agenda...and it is to get donations flowing to keep the top folks in it around with a healthy income.

Laura UnBound wrote:
So heres the thing. Agency that wants you to be smaller books gigs for models doing print work. The stylist pulls the same clothes that are used on the catwalk for the shoot. The models that agency sends have to fit those clothes, regardless of if that models ever worked a catwalk. The stylist probably has no idea which model the agency is sending, they dont have to know, they're all the same size.

If you sign with an agency who is okay with your current measurements, what do you think you're going to wear when they book you for gigs?


If agencies start accepting odd sized people, designers have to start making clothes for odd sized people, the stylist has to know that you're odd sized so that they pull the right clothes, etc etc. Eventually whats the point in standard sizes if you're going to go through the trouble of accommodating everything to an odd sized person?


You might find an agency that makes exceptions by an inch or two, but your hips are way over, and its probably bone, not fat, so you can't do much to change it even if you tried.



Side note: Im a woman too, my figure is just as womanly as yours or someone the size of the both of us put together. You might want to consider your wording.

This is correct. It's a bit like me saying I want to play in the NBA but could they lower the basket because I'd like to dunk at my height. There is one standard for everyone, and as much as I may *dream* of being in the NBA, genetically I just wasn't made for it. Nothing however stops you from pursuing a successful career as a freelance model. Many here do it quite well.

Laura UnBound wrote:

So heres the thing. Agency that wants you to be smaller books gigs for models doing print work. The stylist pulls the same clothes that are used on the catwalk for the shoot. The models that agency sends have to fit those clothes, regardless of if that models ever worked a catwalk. The stylist probably has no idea which model the agency is sending, they dont have to know, they're all the same size.

If you sign with an agency who is okay with your current measurements, what do you think you're going to wear when they book you for gigs?


If agencies start accepting odd sized people, designers have to start making clothes for odd sized people, the stylist has to know that you're odd sized so that they pull the right clothes, etc etc. Eventually whats the point in standard sizes if you're going to go through the trouble of accommodating everything to an odd sized person?


You might find an agency that makes exceptions by an inch or two, but your hips are way over, and its probably bone, not fat, so you can't do much to change it even if you tried.



Side note: Im a woman too, my figure is just as womanly as yours or someone the size of the both of us put together. You might want to consider your wording.

+1. +100 on that side note.

Hannahrew wrote:
I never said I was curvy and I am not complaining I'm putting my point out there simply.
Neither am I feeling sorry for myself.
You don't know me personally to know if I have a womanly figure or if my 'problem' I have scratched the surface of what has been said / happened, you don't have to be plus size to have a womanly figuire! End of.

So what do you mean by saying ''womanly figure''??
And why do I need to know you personally to look at your figure?
You have enough pictures in your portfolio, you are just skinny darling, not sure what is your understanding of ''womanly'' figure.
I personally don't like this wording and all the ''real women have curves'' vybes but in general ''womanly'' would be seen as a curvy woman with big breasts, hips and/ or bum because these parts normally get bigger when you become a woman. Kids, men and teenagers don't have breasts or wide hips, these features are characteristic to women ONLY that's why we would say someone has womanly figure.

Hannahrew wrote:

Hi jasmine thankyou for that I'll definitely check them out, definitely yes!

Kind regards xx

^^This. you're lovely. Quite lovely,actually.  Industry standard plus size starts at 6 or 8 (that's UK 8/10 , I believe). Hughes is a great agency! I've met with them last time I was in London. There are also others, so you have options. Just do you research! Maybe this will help. Good Luck!

http://www.newmodels.com/Plus.html

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
99cm or 39 in hips is a no-no for a fashion model. at 5' 11" they want you at around 9 stones or 125 lb. seldom will a designer make clothes to fit you. the agency needs models at the standard sample size.

they don't care what you think is "womanly". they need you to fit the clothes to be marketable. unless you are so famous, you can use just your first name, they don't care what you think.

125 lbs at 5 ft 11 in will not look healthy. It's true that everyone's biology is different, but even for naturally slender people, that's a little too thin.

The truth of the matter: designers want to use less fabric so it's less money for them, that's why they prefer their models thin.

I'm 5 ft 9 in and on average weigh between 120-135 lbs and my natural built is slender.

J Jessica wrote:
What is 'womanly figure'?
o__O

+1

Hannahrew wrote:
If you were in Los Angeles you would find plenty of work no matter what your size.

Hi guys
So I'm 19 and have been in the fashion industry for a good 3 years and I'm signed to a local agency but looking to widen my range of work throughout the uk.
Here's my issue;

At 16 I was scouted by a number of top agencies including elite, select, boss and storm. I chose to stick with elite and they kept me on for around a year working with me. Then I was told to make my measurements smaller ( lose weight basically).
They wanted my waist down to 90cm at least, from 101cm and my waist down to 60cm from 66cm.
As you can imagine as a 16 year old girl who's shape was still changing it massively knocked my confidence and I thought about  it for a while, but I just decided to stay healthy and happy and keep a womanly figure.
Yes I understand it's a very hard industry and I expected no less but if I was to go any smaller I would simply look ill with no figure at all.
I workout and take care of what I eat and my body. I simply want an agency that will accept a healthy girl that yes has a bum, which is somewhat unheard of it seems.

So yeah that's the situation, I'm putting it out there to see if you guys know of any successful agencies that have  models with a normal slim shape.
My measurements are now;

5'11
Waist ; 63
Hips; 99
Dress size; 8/10

I'm just sick to death of being told to be smaller, when I am happy as I am !

Thanks for taking to time to read and appreciate any help or advice I get

Cree Synster wrote:
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The truth of the matter: designers want to use less fabric so it's less money for them, that's why they prefer their models thin.

I'll make a correction to the above in that it is not the amount of fabric that plays into it - that may be only 10% of the matter.  Besides, tall models take more fabric than someone 5' 1" or whatever.

The issue becomes the "curves" of the woman and the design process that includes darts and the placement of them to keep fabric from bunching and puckering.  Some darts need to be lengthened, narrowed, or moved for a different person.  It can be a nightmare and why most any pattern companies sewing pattern needs to be altered for a specific person.  If a model has asymmetrical boobs, for example, and no correction to their bra cup, then the clothing's drape will be disturbed and bind or twist someplace.

If a model is "built like a plank," then they may not even need a dart (Yay!) in the design.  Makes it much easier than trying to design something for Ms. Rolls and all her womanly curves.  It would be like a carpenter using plywood to cut up and glue together for a car cover and make it snug.  If the car is a block, it's easy.  Toss in some curves and it's a lot harder for him to do and he'll waste more plywood in the process trying to wrap and cut it for a curved hood.