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Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

Do you prefer images where the top of the subject's head is cut off (either by composition or cropping)? Why or why not?

Jul 02 14 09:44 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30128

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Sometimes cropping the top of the head works well to accentuate the eyes and face

Jul 02 14 09:46 am Link

Photographer

PhotoLexography

Posts: 54

Papillion, Nebraska, US

It depends. Sometimes unavoidable distractions or screw ups need to be cropped from an image, so the framing gets tightened up. (I didn't see that false attachment through the view finder - dag nabbit!) Sometimes I want to showcase just the face or face and neck of the model. I think "head-chopping is fairly common in beauty images for this reason. Sometimes the image needs to be cropped or framed down to give it balance. Generally though, images shouldn't chop people's heads off.

Jul 02 14 09:53 am Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Do you prefer images where the top of the subject's head is cut off (either by composition or cropping)? Why or why not?

I do not prefer them.

When I see images where the subjects head is cut off, it makes me wonder if the photographer knew what the hell they were doing.

As mentioned above, there *may* be times where it works or saves an image that would otherwise look worse if it was not cropped that way, but most of the time it simply looks like the photographer just sucks at framing their shots.

Yeah, I'm sure some people will say something like "Hey, that's my style", and that is fine, because mullets would not be so funny today if people didn't think they were a good style in the past.

Thou shalt not awkwardly amputate thy subject.

Jul 02 14 09:58 am Link

Photographer

The Average Jim

Posts: 170

Palm Springs, California, US

There are many portraits where the top of the head is cut off.  It is intentional in many cases.  Now if it is a full body shot, keep the head in the frame.

Composing an image is about lines and placement.  Sometimes the top of the head is better out of frame to place the eyes and mouth in the right spots and it also depends on the pose.

A tight crop can sometimes tell the story better than showing the entire head.

Jul 02 14 10:06 am Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

With the viewfinders in some cameras it's just what you get unless your paying attention. It's seldom preferable though.

Jul 02 14 10:18 am Link

Photographer

Don Garrett

Posts: 4984

Escondido, California, US

Every image has it's own needs, and, sometimes, that requires an "odd" cropping. Usually, though, I would say that it is better if every limb is included in the image. Cropping out ANY part of a model's body often, if not usually, leads the eye off the subject, and/or, off the page.
-Don
EDIT: Below, it was stated that cropping off the top of the head, more often works with portraits than full body shots. I would tend to agree, though, like I said, every image has it's own requirements, in order to make the composition work.

Jul 02 14 10:19 am Link

Model

Isis22

Posts: 3557

Muncie, Indiana, US

I hate it in almost every case.

Jul 02 14 10:33 am Link

Photographer

Peter House

Posts: 888

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I do it a lot. Seems to work for me. I often find the composition more pleasing. Go figure.

Jul 02 14 10:45 am Link

Jul 02 14 10:58 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13559

Washington, Utah, US

For me it depends on the rest of the cropping and the overall intent as well.   A full body shot most probably wouldn't look right with the top part of the head only cropped off.  It may look more balanced with a portrait.

If the shot is about the human form and not the person, such as a bodyscape, I sometimes prefer the head or face to not show at all.

Jul 02 14 11:00 am Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I do it often when it improves the shot, nothing you would do for a hair campaign mind you but for other beauty work it's makes sense.  As Gary already mentioned, if the focus is someone's eyes or lipstick for example.

Jul 02 14 11:12 am Link

Photographer

Laura Elizabeth Photo

Posts: 2253

Rochester, New York, US

It depends on the overall composition.  It happens a lot in beauty images simply because the crops are so close.  In fashion though and wider shots it just looks weird.  I feel like as long as the eyes are around the focus points with the rule of thirds then I don't mind much, but otherwise the image can feel top heavy or something.  It can also make the forehead look large if you don't crop off the right amount.  It really just works in some images and not in others.

Jul 02 14 11:15 am Link

Photographer

R Bruce Duncan

Posts: 1178

Santa Barbara, California, US

Peter House wrote:
I do it a lot. Seems to work for me. I often find the composition more pleasing. Go figure.

This.

Composition is everything.

RBD

Jul 02 14 11:37 am Link

Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7504

New York, New York, US

Very tight cropping seems to be de rigueur for actors' headshots nowadays.  Personally, I generally don't like it.

Jul 02 14 11:51 am Link

Model

Nym Faea

Posts: 650

San Francisco, California, US

And here I jumped to the conclusion that we were talking about full on decapitation. Which I actually approve of, in a fine art kind of sense. If the head/face is distracting or not important, then it shouldn't be in the photo.

But ya, pretty much what everyone else said - depends on the composition.

Jul 02 14 01:22 pm Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

Personally, I don't like it at all. I understand what some have said. For instance, if the focus is someone's eyes or lips, the head might get cut off. For me, in those instances where the focus is on the eyes so the head gets cut off, their nose and mouth also get cropped out of the picture.  If the focus is their lips, one won't see their nose or chin.

If I ever shoot a picture where it would "look better" with the head cut off, no one will ever see that picture. Something is wrong with it.  I agree that I disagree with some others here but that's part of the beauty of art.

Jul 02 14 01:33 pm Link

Artist/Painter

JJMiller

Posts: 807

Buffalo, New York, US

I've done paintings where I've cropped the head that I regret now- I think it can work on close ups but that's about it. It seems to be a trend lately though, I see a lot of head cropping.

Jul 02 14 02:55 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

i prefer images which are good. which could include tight cropping to focus more on the face.

we had one senior mom flip out a bit when we cropped her kid's head, though.

Jul 02 14 02:57 pm Link

Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18465

Orlando, Florida, US

I do it a lot and I do it deliberately. I prefer it. I really like tight crops. I actually hate empty space above the head.

for example including the top of the head would have ruined the composition

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100409/11/4bbf6b5dde1e0.jpg

Jul 02 14 03:02 pm Link

Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18465

Orlando, Florida, US

DougBPhoto wrote:

I do not prefer them.

When I see images where the subjects head is cut off, it makes me wonder if the photographer knew what the hell they were doing.

As mentioned above, there *may* be times where it works or saves an image that would otherwise look worse if it was not cropped that way, but most of the time it simply looks like the photographer just sucks at framing their shots.

Yeah, I'm sure some people will say something like "Hey, that's my style", and that is fine, because mullets would not be so funny today if people didn't think they were a good style in the past.

Thou shalt not awkwardly amputate thy subject.

Hey I know what the hell I am doing big_smile

Jul 02 14 03:04 pm Link

Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18465

Orlando, Florida, US

Peter House wrote:
I do it a lot. Seems to work for me. I often find the composition more pleasing. Go figure.

+1

Jul 02 14 03:05 pm Link

Photographer

ImageHouse

Posts: 25

Aventura, Florida, US

I hate it, hate it, hate it.  Only works in very few cases and best when the face is cropped tight so you also take out the ears and end of the chin.  How many people do you see walking around with the top of their heads cut off ?

Jul 02 14 03:21 pm Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

A-M-P wrote:
Hey I know what the hell I am doing big_smile

For you specifically, I stopped wondering years ago, same for a few other people.

Much of the time with the majority of examples I see, it does make me wonder though.

If I know someone, or I know their style and I know that it was a conscious decision, then it is a little different, but a LOT of the time it seems like (other people's) shots are badly framed resulting in amputations or otherwise needing to amputate to be able to save the shot.

Crops that seem to be the result of bad framing, especially if otherwise really good shots, just make me want to facepalm or worse.

Jul 02 14 05:30 pm Link

Photographer

toesup

Posts: 1240

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

Isis22 wrote:
I hate it in almost every case.

+1

Similar to 'amputee shots'.. missing fingers and missing toes..

Jul 02 14 05:37 pm Link

Photographer

Dallas J. Logan

Posts: 2185

Los Angeles, California, US

When it comes to composing headshots or beauty, sometimes the cropping of the head makes a photograph far more dynamic than a simple boring headshot.  If that DIDN'T work all of the big beauty campaigns out there would be boring.  Does it work all the time?  No.  There is a right and wrong way of doing what I like to call a dynamic crop (either in camera, or in post).  In some instances it can make a totally humdrum photograph that you would've COMPLETELY ignored into a stellar final image... Off with their heads!!!!

www.dallasjlogan.com

https://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/DALLASJLOGAN/11848691174_de2b61b9eb_k.jpg

Jul 02 14 05:49 pm Link

Photographer

Lovely Day Media

Posts: 5885

Vineland, New Jersey, US

toesup wrote:
Similar to 'amputee shots'.. missing fingers and missing toes..

I'll admit to having amputated toes and fingers. Part of it is due to previous inexperience, part due to not knowing that what I see in the viewfinder isn't what I'm going to get. The other 90% is due to not paying attention to that (too busy looking at other things and/or trying to hurry along).

In doing events, speed is necessary (IMO) so I can't always get the composition 100% perfect but I do attempt to get all of everything and a little more so I can crop as necessary.

Jul 02 14 06:01 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

This is one of my favorite images, I cut off the top of her head and then some

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121228/15/50de2c27895bf_m.jpg

Jul 02 14 06:14 pm Link

Photographer

bmiSTUDIO

Posts: 1734

Morristown, Vermont, US

DougBPhoto wrote:

I do not prefer them.

When I see images where the subjects head is cut off, it makes me wonder if the photographer knew what the hell they were doing.

As mentioned above, there *may* be times where it works or saves an image that would otherwise look worse if it was not cropped that way, but most of the time it simply looks like the photographer just sucks at framing their shots.

Yeah, I'm sure some people will say something like "Hey, that's my style", and that is fine, because mullets would not be so funny today if people didn't think they were a good style in the past.

Thou shalt not awkwardly amputate thy subject.

To you it may look like the photographer sucks at cropping. To those of us that understand the rules and know how and when to break them, it is another tool for creating impact, intimacy and yes, dynamic composition.

Jul 02 14 06:20 pm Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8283

Tucson, Arizona, US

EvergreenPhotography wrote:
I hate it, hate it, hate it.  Only works in very few cases and best when the face is cropped tight so you also take out the ears and end of the chin.  How many people do you see walking around with the top of their heads cut off ?

The head is cropped in your avatar...

Jul 02 14 08:18 pm Link

Photographer

Dallas J. Logan

Posts: 2185

Los Angeles, California, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
This is one of my favorite images, I cut off the top of her head and then some

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121228/15/50de2c27895bf_m.jpg

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Jul 02 14 08:50 pm Link

Photographer

Dallas J. Logan

Posts: 2185

Los Angeles, California, US

bmiSTUDIO wrote:

To you it may look like the photographer sucks at cropping. To those of us that understand the rules and know how and when to break them, it is another tool for creating impact, intimacy and yes, dynamic composition.

ditto

Jul 02 14 08:51 pm Link

Photographer

mophotoart

Posts: 2118

Wichita, Kansas, US

sometimes it works and sometimes it does not....depends on the purpose of the image....if the comp works cropped that way, it works, if not, then critique will go all out on the comp for cropping...go figure...Mo

Jul 02 14 08:55 pm Link

Photographer

Flex Photography

Posts: 6471

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

I would only crop the top of the head in an extreme closeup, when the purpose is to draw attention to only the subject's face. As the shot is pulled back to include more of the body, I feel the head should not be cropped. The same goes for other body parts in full length shots. My guide is, never crop, unless you have a specific reason to do so, and, in those cases, do so in acceptable ways. (not finger tips, toes, avoid joints, etc.) Unfortunately, in a huge number of cases on here, I see such cropping, that is obviously from either carelessness, inexperience, or bad composition choices.

In this digital age, I don't buy the inacurate viewfinder excuse, since they should realize that after the first 2 shots with the camera, and should just shoot wider to allow for it. Then, recropping in post will easily give the better result, rather than just settling for something less.

Jul 02 14 09:40 pm Link

Photographer

Thinking Inside The Box

Posts: 311

Diamond Bar, California, US

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Do you prefer images where the top of the subject's head is cut off (either by composition or cropping)? Why or why not?

No. And I do it deliberately very often.

Neither do I prefer images where the top of the subject's head isn't cut off. And I do that deliberately very often also.

(I do dislike most images where the head is just barely not cut-off; those typically look unbalanced.)

If cutting off part of it permits emphasizing what I want, I'll do it without any qualms. If keeping the whole head in permits a better composition, or balance, or such, I'll keep it in.

Jul 02 14 09:53 pm Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

There are times when it works - and times when it doesn't.

I think the technique is over-used - and often people seem to pick the "wrong" places to crop.

Generally it works best when the model's head is straight (not tilted to either side) and when the model is directly facing the camera. It may work if the model is not directly facing the camera, but it's less likely to.

Personally I'm more likely to like a shot if it's cropped half an inch to an inch below the model's hairline. (I'm not saying that's *always* the best place to crop.)

In particular, I recall a shot where the model's head was tilted at about a 45-degree angle to camera left (the model's right). Her head came to a point in the upper left corner of the photo. Reminds me of the movie, "Coneheads."

Jul 02 14 10:17 pm Link

Photographer

Andrew Thomas Evans

Posts: 24079

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

It depends but on my site I generally have them cutoff or a really tight crop and after the trip I'm going to be more busy than ever with headshots. So someone likes them, and people like to pay me for them, so hey, can't really argue with that.

I usually give the clients a tight cropped 8x10 and the file as it was out of the camera for their cropping. That leaves more options open for it's use and makes life easier on us as we're shooting it.

But again, I really don't have an opinion about it other than it seems tighter crops are in right now and that gets me paid, so I'll keep doing it. If things swing back to looser crops then I would be more than happy to do that, and get paid for doing it.




Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Jul 03 14 09:59 am Link

Model

Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

I prefer the whole head cropped out.

A good portrait ends at the neck.

Jul 03 14 12:07 pm Link

Photographer

Rik Williams

Posts: 4005

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Do you prefer images where the top of the subject's head is cut off (either by composition or cropping)? Why or why not?

Depends on who's head it is smile

Jul 03 14 12:12 pm Link

Photographer

Vector One Photography

Posts: 3722

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

I really hate it.  There are only a few times it works and very few at that. It's unnatural.  And if you are going to cut off the top of the head it's for a tight crop of the face, not the top of the head is missing but the bottom of the photo goes down to the belly button ( or on MM, the breasts. Seems they'll crop out anything as long as the breasts are still there.).

Jul 03 14 12:16 pm Link