Photographer
RB Fitness Photography
Posts: 1
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
What are peoples thoughts on models approaching photographers to arrange a photoshoot but, in lieu of payment, their 100K+ Followers on social media were enough compensation?
Its a fine line, the problem with Followers have their own value if its genuine, but it doesn't guarantee a conversion to paid jobs.
Am I not understanding digital media in preferring the respect and self worth I feel when someone pays in real currency for my time and skills?
When is it appropriate to be paid or not to be paid?
Photographer
Absolute Deviant
Posts: 17
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
RB Fitness Photography wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on models approaching photographers to arrange a photoshoot but, in lieu of payment, their 100K+ Followers on social media were enough compensation?
Its a fine line, the problem with Followers have their own value if its genuine, but it doesn't guarantee a conversion to paid jobs.
Am I not understanding digital media in preferring the respect and self worth I feel when someone pays in real currency for my time and skills?
When is it appropriate to be paid or not to be paid? It depends on what their value is to you. I've gotten referrals from twitter, flickr, facebook that ended up being paying clients. It's a gamble.
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
This has been explain approximately fifteen billion times.
You TF* when you both have something to gain.
You pay when you have something to gain and they don't.
You get paid when they have something to gain and you don't.
The asterisk in TF* can stand for prints, digital copies, exposure (I know someone will argue with this but fuck it, it's true), tears, or something else like material items.
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
If someone wants to pay me in exposure to their followers. it's an easy answer for me and that is that I accept the following forms of payment including cash, checks, credit cards if they can't pay in those forms of payment then I'm not interested.
Model
lynne g
Posts: 674
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
If 100k people really followed you I would think that would be massive! Advertising is expensive! How many people does your local paper circulate to? I'd need a guarantee this would happen though... Steep promise
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
lynne g wrote:
If 100k people really followed you I would think that would be massive! Advertising is expensive! How many people does your local paper circulate to? I'd need a guarantee this would happen though... Steep promise How can anyone guarantee that any of her followers would even follow him though it could end up in none of her followers following him.
Photographer
James Jackson Fashion
Posts: 11132
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Aside from there being no way of guaranteeing it, it's been proven that having more social media followers is actually detrimental to your ability to get your message out. People with more followers get their posts filtered out more, so in the end the net result is that *less* people actually see your message than if you have a good organic following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Hahaha!!:-))))) my answer would be to tell them to take their "followers" and put them where the sun don't shine!!! The value of followers on social media is akin to numismatic value of coins except that when everything goes to shit the coins will still have intrinsic melt value, the followers will be so much dust in the wind.
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
GER Photography wrote:
The value of followers on social media is akin to numismatic value of coins except that when everything goes to shit the coins will still have intrinsic melt value, the followers will be so much dust in the wind. If those followers are fellow creatives, like models who might want to work with you, that's worthless to you?
Model
D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
Photog posts a photo=5 likes
Model posts same photo=500 likes + 50 page likes/views to photog's page + paid work to photog
YMMV
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
If those followers are fellow creatives, like models who might want to work with you, that's worthless to you? Yes, completely worthless, I can't stand, FB, twitter...
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
Photog posts a photo=5 likes
Model posts same photo=500 likes + 50 page likes/views to photog's page + paid work to photog
YMMV Yeah keep thinking that. Most followers on model's pages are fan dudes who like to follow and look at pretty girls and have no interest in hiring a photographer. Sound pretty worthless to me.
Unless it was some major publication or brand giving me a shout out then I would possibly reconsider but a model. Nah no thanks
Model
lynne g
Posts: 674
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
Photog posts a photo=5 likes
Model posts same photo=500 likes + 50 page likes/views to photog's page + paid work to photog
YMMV +1 Yup!
I know that people "follow" my stuff and I just do local day trips! I found my hairdresser from some girls Instagram. Power of mass media.
Model
lynne g
Posts: 674
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
The problem with everyone on here saying insta is dumb, is the majority of females in the us of your target demographic age don't. Sooooo, it's great that you don't like fb, but people willing to pay you do...
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
RB Fitness Photography wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on models approaching photographers to arrange a photoshoot but, in lieu of payment, their 100K+ Followers on social media were enough compensation? Well... that depends on the circumstances.
I was offered followers instead of payment... and I discussed this with my landlord, if he accepts me having more followers in lieu of rent...
I was lucky... he is a Studio 54 original (was one of the "glitterati" with Warhol) and did a lot of drugs during this time..., so... he did agree... 
But I was lucky and probably the only time on this planet this was acceptable... 
On a serious note... you don't need 100K followers who love to stare at her ass... nothing wrong with that... but if she hooks you up with 5 people in magazines and potential paying clients... that is a whole different story!
Photographer
Llobet Photography
Posts: 4915
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
A-M-P wrote:
Yeah keep thinking that. Most followers on model's pages are fan dudes who like to follow and look at pretty girls and have no interest in hiring a photographer. Sound pretty worthless to me.
Unless it was some major publication or brand giving me a shout out then I would possibly reconsider but a model. Nah no thanks I shoot with a girl that has over 70K followers on her fan page. I haven't gotten any work from taking pictures with her. I think most of the followers are creepy dudes that are in love with her. I dunno. Some of those creepy dudes are following me now. 
Model
D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
A-M-P wrote:
Yeah keep thinking that. Most followers on model's pages are fan dudes who like to follow and look at pretty girls and have no interest in hiring a photographer. Sound pretty worthless to me.
Unless it was some major publication or brand giving me a shout out then I would possibly reconsider but a model. Nah no thanks Eh I know what I've been told.
So I'll keep thinking it.
Just FYI, I don't TF anymore anyway. So unless I'm the one being paid then I really couldn't give two fucks about it. Well, unless you've already got me signed with a $20k contract with Playboy...
Photographer
JAE
Posts: 2207
West Chester, Pennsylvania, US
I have had my photos posted on pages with 100k followers. The photos gets a ton of likes when they are posted, and fade into oblivion a day later like everything else on Facebook. It has never gotten me anything.
Photographer
James Jackson Fashion
Posts: 11132
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
lynne g wrote:
The problem with everyone on here saying insta is dumb, is the majority of females in the us of your target demographic age don't. Sooooo, it's great that you don't like fb, but people willing to pay you do... The problem is that the facebook generation isn't our client... the people advertising to them is.
Model
D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
RB Fitness Photography wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on models approaching photographers to arrange a photoshoot but, in lieu of payment, their 100K+ Followers on social media were enough compensation?
Its a fine line, the problem with Followers have their own value if its genuine, but it doesn't guarantee a conversion to paid jobs.
Am I not understanding digital media in preferring the respect and self worth I feel when someone pays in real currency for my time and skills?
When is it appropriate to be paid or not to be paid? If you don't like her offer you can easily say "No Thank You" and move on.
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 11723
Olney, Maryland, US
GER Photography wrote:
Yes, completely worthless, I can't stand, FB, twitter... +1
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
GER Photography wrote:
Yes, completely worthless, I can't stand, FB, twitter... So, getting additional work is worthless? So your work in general is worthless? What is this logic?
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
Danielle Reid wrote:
If you don't like her offer you can easily say "No Thank You" and move on. IT HAS TO BE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT!!!11
Model
lynne g
Posts: 674
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
James Jackson Fashion wrote:
The problem is that the facebook generation isn't our client... the people advertising to them is. If you read op s profile you may find that this could very well be a large contingency of his potential clientele
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18465
Orlando, Florida, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
So, getting additional work is worthless? So your work in general is worthless? What is this logic? Having a shit ton of followers is not a guaranteed of getting additional work specially when those followers are people who have no interest in the services of a photographer. The people that follow models are not likely to be people looking to hire a photographer since I can bet 90% of those followers are just guys who just follow because she is a pretty girl.
When people pay for advertising they have that advertising targeted at a specific demographic. When I pay for online advertising, I input the demographics of who I want that ad specifically shown to. The people who follow a model are most likely to not fall in that demographic so yes it would be worthless.
I have a friend who has an instagram with over 700K followers he posts pictures of pretty girls he gave me a shout out just for kicks in his page and I gained absolutely nothing. Why because the people that follow him are just dudes looking to look at photos of T&A.
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 11723
Olney, Maryland, US
OP, your most resent tag is one year ago. You must not be doing something right.
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
A-M-P wrote:
Having a shit ton of followers is not a guaranteed of getting additional work specially when those followers are people who have no interest in the services of a photographer. The people that follow models are not likely to be people looking to hire a photographer since I can bet 90% of those followers are just guys who just follow because she is a pretty girl.
When people pay for advertising they have that advertising targeted at a specific demographic. When I pay for advertising I input the demographics of who I want that ad shown to. The people who follow a model are most likely to not fall in that demographic so yes it would be worthless. It must just be different in Arizona. Creatives follow creatives, and work with people they contact through each other. We're close knit. We all get work from each other.
Model
lynne g
Posts: 674
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
We live in a world where you can get celebrity by being on the internet. Someone just the other day mentioned that girl who got a modeling contract being in the stands at World Cup.
Places and brands and jobs can be made over all these sites that you all may hate. And it's nice that people don't want to accept the fact that Instagram sells and yet everyone from vogue to Microsoft to Obama accept this and all post on it.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean anothers perception is not their reality.
Model
lynne g
Posts: 674
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
On a side note, I posted about a dog wash the other at a nearby neighborhood and many stated contributors said they went because of that lame local post. 2014
Photographer
Llobet Photography
Posts: 4915
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
I don't know about getting work from shooting with someone with lots of followers. I do know that shooting with someone with lots of friends can get you more models. Worked for me. Instagram, from what I hear, works very well for models. I met a 16 girl that gets free jewelry from some company because she posts on Instagram and has lots of followers. She's doing lots better than most of us. lol
Photographer
JAE
Posts: 2207
West Chester, Pennsylvania, US
A-M-P wrote:
Having a shit ton of followers is not a guaranteed of getting additional work specially when those followers are people who have no interest in the services of a photographer. The people that follow models are not likely to be people looking to hire a photographer since I can bet 90% of those followers are just guys who just follow because she is a pretty girl.
When people pay for advertising they have that advertising targeted at a specific demographic. When I pay for online advertising, I input the demographics of who I want that ad specifically shown to. The people who follow a model are most likely to not fall in that demographic so yes it would be worthless.
I have a friend who has an instagram with over 700K followers he posts pictures of pretty girls he gave me a shout out just for kicks in his page and I gained absolutely nothing. Why because the people that follow him are just dudes looking to look at photos of T&A. This has been what I have come across also. Exposure to lots of followers just gets a bunch of likes from dudes that are into the model and nothing else. While it is not bad to have your photos posted to a large follower base, I think it is rare that it will lead to much. I am not sure it would be wise to accept that in place of payment.
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
So, getting additional work is worthless? So your work in general is worthless? What is this logic? Photography is not my business, it's mu hobby.
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
GER Photography wrote:
Photography is not my business, it's mu hobby. Does it have worth?
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 13053
Atlanta, Georgia, US
James Jackson Fashion wrote:
Aside from there being no way of guaranteeing it, it's been proven that having more social media followers is actually detrimental to your ability to get your message out. People with more followers get their posts filtered out more, so in the end the net result is that *less* people actually see your message than if you have a good organic following.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag That really depends on the platform. Something like Facebook is nearly worthless with its less that 2% visibility, but others are far better.
More to the point, are those follows your target group? I shoot mostly commercial work and I don't think many ADs, CD, and buyers follow models; so I would value it less. If you are in the business of retail photography it may be another story completely.
Then again, in Internet advertising you are talking about 100k impression and that isn't expensive at all. So there is a good chance you would be better off with the a few hundred dollars in AdWords 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
Does it have worth? Much more to me than any number of people who might or might not care what I had for breakfast or who might want me to go on some cartoonish hunt for magic beans or whatnot.
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
GER Photography wrote:
Much more to me than any number of people who might or might not care what I had for breakfast or who might want me to go on some cartoonish hunt for magic beans or whatnot. I have no idea what this means.
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 8463
Imperial, California, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
I have no idea what this means. It's all I ever see when I look in on my Facebook account, a total waste of my time.
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
GER Photography wrote:
It's all I ever see when I look in on my Facebook account, a total waste of my time. ![https://stylishcorpse.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/wrong-mike.jpg]()
Model
D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
GER Photography wrote:
It's all I ever see when I look in on my Facebook account, a total waste of my time. You should just delete your social media profiles then
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