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Photographing Police - again
Not wanting anything soapboxy - I think though, that it's healthy that this information keeps being repeated - in the hope that eventually the police will also learn it. For those of us that carry our gear with us and may stumble onto a situation unexpectedly and start shooting I have been given orders to stop observing and to stop shooting while on my own property It may never come up when you have a camera in your hand - but, you never know.. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/reminder-you … 03794.html Aug 14 14 11:57 am Link "The NYPD issued an internal memo last week telling officers they cannot prevent someone from photographing or filming them unless the cameraman is interfering with police operations. In other words, police must mind the law—"'taking photographs, videotapes or tape recordings' do not constitute probable cause for arrest"--that has always existed (but for real now)." http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/nypd- … emo-081314 - http://boingboing.net/2014/08/14/nypd-p … ht-to.html Aug 14 14 12:01 pm Link There was a similar article on Huffington Post today. It may be the same article just linked separately. Aug 14 14 12:07 pm Link yes its true, law enforcement biggest fear now is exposure of corruption, Aug 14 14 12:07 pm Link Vintagevista wrote: Ironic how the zip ties make a shape in this photo, ain't it? Aug 14 14 12:13 pm Link A new motto for the police "subdue and disperse". If you are video taping a police officer doing something illegal it is pretty obvious that they will want to destroy the evidence and convince you not to do it again. This is why you have to have a wireless device that records the images/video to somewhere else. Preferably not on your person.  The photographer that took this photo talked about the stuff he did in case his camera got seized. Don't be naive. Even though his gear didn't get seized, he had a plan in case it did. Cops are people who's biggest fear is losing their job. Aug 14 14 02:25 pm Link DAVISICON wrote: In the old days you'd walk someone around the block for petty offenses and tell them to get lost for the rest of the day. Now with everyone filming those days are over, in cuffs they go... Aug 14 14 02:45 pm Link unfortunately police don't always know the laws they are tasked to uphold. on the flipside youtube has a made quite a fiasco out of the numbnuts that make videos in order bait the officers into a reaction... i kind of feel bad for the officers, they are only human.. maybe they need to be trained to show better restraint. Aug 14 14 02:56 pm Link NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: But without a guideline of what interference is, it means nothing. Aug 14 14 04:25 pm Link News crew tear gassed in Ferguson, MO. Crew evacuates their position leaving their gear. Police then begin to dismantle or ground their equipment until they realise there is another news crew across the street filming them doing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt2ZtjnlNtQ Listen to the second news crew on the audio later in the clip - News crew to police: "We're OK here" - Cop responds off camera: "We don't want you here" Studio36 Aug 14 14 05:39 pm Link Vintagevista wrote: In a fascist police state, the police can do anything they want. Aug 14 14 06:39 pm Link Vintagevista wrote: Laurence Moan wrote: It is worth noting that the introductory text from the article alludes to inappropriate police behavior, but makes no inference to the possibility that the police are trying to deter opportunistic looters, which always appear during riots. Aug 14 14 07:48 pm Link I M N Photography wrote: Unfortunately all protests seem to attract those that want to take advantage and make trouble. However the behaviour of the police in this incident is not defensible. Aug 14 14 11:26 pm Link http://www.businessinsider.com/ferguson … ers-2014-8 Ferguson's Police Chief Freaked Out After Finding Out His Cops Arrested 2 Reporters "... According to The Los Angeles Times, Chief Thomas Jackson was shocked when he found out The Washington Post's Wesley Lowery and The Huffington Post's Ryan Reilly were arrested Wednesday evening. "Oh God," Jackson said after learning of the arrests. ..." - - - This man is NOT in control of his troops. I believe he's witnessing his job evaporate before his very eyes. Studio36 Aug 15 14 03:38 am Link studio36uk wrote: +1000 Aug 15 14 04:48 am Link You read this stuff (CNN team tear gassed, Post reporter arrested) and it sounds like being in Moscow. And of course, if the FBI or DoJ goes in b/c of Civil Rights violations, there's going to be a big hue and cry in Missouri about "big government" and the Feds trampling rights. I get rent-a-cops at facilities not being up on the law. I get officers being paranoid about people photographing or videoing a facility (so they ask and you explain and we're all good). But the police in Ferguson has to know that things are "hot" right now. So to be clueless about the press and free speech is a pretty sad statement about the competence of the local cops. --Ed Aug 15 14 05:16 am Link I wish I could say that I am surprised but after dealing with the Police for as long as I have I am not surprised. You would think after Rodney King in 1992 police would realize they are being filmed. I have had more guns drawn on me than I care to remember and most of them were by the cops. The big issue here is the human factor. Police departments need clear policies, training and strong penalties for violating rights like filming. I remember one time I was photographing a drug bust of a local crack house. There was about 15 people zipped tied sitting on the sidewalk. A police officer comes over to me and asks me to stop shooting because they had undercover cops there and the suspects on the sidewalk walk were going to be cut loose. I smiled at him and said, "See that guy you have zipped tied on the sidewalk, he is running for city council, and that my friend is a news story". I never saw a cop loose the color in his face that fast, and bolt to his superior. Within 5 minutes he was cut loose, and police had a lot of explaining.  cops02110207 by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr  crime_scene2 by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr  kids1 by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr  SWAT by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr  suspect by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr  NTF by FullMetalPhotographer, on Flickr Aug 15 14 08:00 am Link Filles de Pin-up wrote: Can you link to the photographers blog? I'd love to read about the steps he takes to keep the images safe. Aug 15 14 10:16 am Link What the law states and what really happens are two different things. NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: Aug 16 14 04:26 am Link In the interest of full disclosure - - - as to that Alex Jones pitch for "colloidal silver" on the end of the Infowars clip(s): EX WIKIPEDIA** "MEDICAL USES OF SILVER": Colloidal silver (a colloid consisting of silver particles suspended in liquid) and formulations containing silver salts were used by physicians in the early 20th century, but their use was largely discontinued in the 1940s following the development of safer and effective modern antibiotics.[9][10] Since the 1990s, colloidal silver has again been marketed as an alternative medicine, often with extensive "cure-all" claims. Colloidal silver products remain available in many countries as dietary supplements and homeopathic remedies, although they are not effective in treating any known condition and carry the risk of both permanent cosmetic side effects such as argyria and more serious ones such as allergic reactions, and interactions with prescription medications.[11][12] --- ** WIKI MEDICAL REFERENCES IN RESPECT OF THE ABOVE QUOTED PART: 9. Fung, M. C.; Bowen, D. L. (1996). "Silver products for medical indications: Risk-benefit assessment". Journal of toxicology. Clinical toxicology 34 (1): 119–126. doi:10.3109/15563659609020246. PMID 8632503. 10. "Colloidal silver". Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. May 16, 2011. Retrieved January 2, 2013. 11. "Over-the-counter drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Public Health Service (PHS), Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Final rule". Federal Register 64 (158): 44653–8. August 1999. PMID 10558603. 12. "Colloidal Silver Products". National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. February 2012 [First published 2004]. Retrieved January 2013. --- MY OPINION: Infowars might be much more believable if Alex Jones would just stop aligning himself with quack cures for non-existent medical conditions that even then, if used, carry some medical risks to the users, in and of themselves. Studio36 Aug 16 14 06:20 am Link The problem with Jakari Jackson [Infowars], I fear, is that he was "reporting while Black" Studio36 Aug 16 14 06:28 am Link Just FWIW - written by a photographer with photography in mind Protection From Riot Control Agents http://www.buggrit.com/gas-masks.html Studio36 Aug 16 14 07:15 am Link studio36uk wrote: as for the sales pitch, unfortunately part of the videos, it has it's uses -- they are looking to "give it a try" on Ebola Aug 16 14 08:39 am Link When offered to the public without the full disclosure or detailed instructions on appropriate [and inappropriate] uses, as is the case with Alex Jones, it's quackery. It was quackery, too, when he was offering "nascent iodine" to protect you from [GASP!!!] "radiation" after Fukushima. BLAH! BALDERDASH! Harmless at best, dangerous at worst. As far as Ebola goes, what harm can be done by giving a patient either used motor oil, or, a plate McD's fries, or, colloidal [or any other kind of] silver, or, as that African businessman has done sending around vials of holy water - the patient given nothing at all, or given nearly anything that offers some hope however slim, is dying anyway. You aren't making things worse. Studio36 Aug 16 14 12:53 pm Link Lots of people should already have Iodine as distributed by the government. Consideration of Potassium Iodide in Emergency Planning http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/emerg-prep … odide.html "Section 127 of the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 (the Bioterrorism Act) requires State and local governments through the national KI stockpile to distribute KI tablets to population within 20 miles of a nuclear power plant." Nuclear watchdog recommends distributing iodine pills to residents near reactors http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014 … ctors.html "Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission is proposing that those within 10 kilometres of reactor sites — about a quarter-million people in the GTA — be given thyroid blocking pills as a precaution." (and prior to any accident) ----- silver is a legitimate antiviral with DoD study re: filoviruses https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/ … upplements Nanosilver particles in medical applications: synthesis, performance, and toxicity http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4037247/ "unique physiochemical properties of NSPs, such as antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, and anti-inflammatory activity" Aug 16 14 02:55 pm Link Utah: Vernal man claims police arrested him for recording mother's arrest (8-15-2014) http://www.ksl.com/?sid=31156761&nid=14 … d=queue-20 Aug 16 14 03:05 pm Link Wicked Innocence Studio wrote: He should have kept his distance [he didn't] and should have kept his mouth shut [he didn't by talking to the "suspect" even if it is his mom] Aug 16 14 06:10 pm Link Michael Bots wrote: Yup, and they can call in a witch doctor too if they like. That doesn't mean doing so is in any way medically significant or beneficial to the patient in the least. Aug 16 14 06:12 pm Link "(The police) work in the service of the public, so what they do should be known to the public," Riter said, "and the public should be able to hold them accountable." First error in thinking. Although propaganda, says that is so, the reality is that the Police/Enforcers etc. have always worked for the elite in their society. ( ok, within any force there will be good exceptions, as well as really bad ones). It just so happens that an orderly society is good for business and thus it is good for the elite. If the sheeple run around killing each other, you will run out of sheeple, or they will be too busy trying to stay safe and will not be able to be good little workers and consumers. Aug 16 14 07:49 pm Link Nerdscarf wrote: Unfortunately that was a long time ago and technology has changed. He basically shot tethered to a computer via a cable run through a hole drilled in the wall in the closet to an adjacent room. The police could have searched the house and confiscated the computer, but they didn't. Aug 16 14 09:16 pm Link Too often these images only shown of the final outcome of a situation which invariably results in the Police having 'the upper hand' (which I assume is what the majority of us actually want to happen?) Unfortunately, these images often fail to show several things. 1. Why the Police were called in the first place? 2. What dangers they faced when they got there ? 3. What procedures and constraints they were operating under? 4. What options had already been tried ? So, by all means record the police acting in the 'line of duty' (on our behalf) but balance it by recording the equally important 'boring bit' that always precedes any such situation and in so doing, provide the whole picture. That said...It's easy to understand how many chose to simply click a shutter and add their own caption to the 'action' image that they choose. Very much easier and very very much safer. Aug 17 14 04:39 am Link studio36uk wrote: Good stuff--thanks for sharing. Totally agree about the old army surplus--it's a waste of space in your gear bag. Aug 17 14 04:45 am Link Isn't this all prevented by the US Second amendment? Arm the photographers. Aug 17 14 07:06 am Link studio36uk wrote: Except that the officer said may I help you and started yelling at the kid first. Aug 18 14 09:22 am Link |
