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Digital Reflectionz
Posts: 27
Memphis, Tennessee, US
Ahh..gotcha, didnt see that... Thks for not being rude about it and calling me out.
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Mark Salo
Posts: 11723
Olney, Maryland, US
That Italian Guy wrote:
*** ZOMBIE THREAD ***
I wonder how the OP got on with her plan?
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com Surprisingly, she is still active!
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Mark Salo wrote:
Surprisingly, she is still active! On a "hiatus from modelling" though if you read her bio 
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
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Mark Salo
Posts: 11723
Olney, Maryland, US
"Last activity: Jul 16, 2013"
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Barry Kidd Photography
Posts: 3351
Red Lion, Pennsylvania, US
zaxpix wrote:
D.R.,
I know they say , "It's never too late.", but...
![https://24.media.tumblr.com/9e3ad7af066dc553efc82fef5da682f9/tumblr_mjj653Wxjq1r3idioo1_500.gif]()
Z. Yeah. I was wondering who dug this thing up.
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Eye of the World
Posts: 1396
Corvallis, Oregon, US
As is typical it was a relative newbie with just a few posts.
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10747
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Eye of the World wrote:
As is typical it was a relative newbie with just a few posts. you realize that its now 4 years since the OP? (or did you miss all the comments about zombie threads). OP might have been a relative newbie but is now a veteran on here 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8283
Tucson, Arizona, US
AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
you realize that its now 4 years since the OP? (or did you miss all the comments about zombie threads). OP might have been a relative newbie but is now a veteran on here I think they meant the person that bumped the thread.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
I think they meant the person that bumped the thread. Yes!
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Nature Coast Lightworks
Posts: 1955
Tampa, Florida, US
Michele70 wrote:
Does anyone know of any websites that will buy my nude photos or how I can make my own website and charge people to join in order to view my nude photos?I'm wanting(& have) expanded my nude photos and some are more erotica based. Also, what are some of the alt agencies that represent the nontraditional, alt models?
Thanks! http://www.ebay.com/
Best success!
jf
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AMCphoto2
Posts: 479
Los Angeles, California, US
Hahahaha. This is awesome.
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Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
I think they meant the person that bumped the thread. Probably someone who was told to "use the search function" and was silly enough to think that it meant that older threads they FOUND in their search were the proper place to respond.
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 26342
Portland, Oregon, US
Reminder: this thread's title is "How to best handle a FLAKE model?".
If the OP wants positive, personal affirmation, then yes, you are perfect, your work is lovely, you've done nothing wrong, and the flaking is 100% the model's fault. Note, however, that this stance has the best guarantee that the OP will continue to experience flakes.
The title is kinda ambiguous -- is the OP asking how he should handle this particular model who has flaked, or is he asking how he should avoid future similar flakes? I'm not clear on that.
But if the OP wants to improve his flake ratio, the last thing he should do is to continue doing the same thing. ("One can define 'insanity' by doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results".)
In my book, people who blame others for the disappointments in their lives will always be limited. While I may agree that there is little-to-nothing you can do to improve other people's behavior, there is always much you can do to improve your own success. In this particular case (flaking models), there is much you can do. For example:
... Listen to your model. Many models are young, inexperienced, and too polite. Many models do not have the ability to express themselves clearly.
... Work with models who are enthusiastic about the project. Clearly, in this case, the model had severe reservations about the project: in particular, her attempt to restrict the photographer's usage rights is a clear red flag.
... Understand that there is no filter on membership to this site -- pretty much anyone can join. Here you will find flakes & reliable people. That is not going to change.
... Learn to filter out the unreliable models. Selecting your model is your first step in your artistic process. Be selective. Be discriminating.
... Learn to spot clues for the reliability of potential models. Ideas include
--- Check references
--- In particular, share references & recommendations with people you know.
--- Look for models with a variety of photographers in their portfolio.
--- Look for models whose portfolio shows a wide range of expression.
--- Value "experienced".
... If the model is happy with her compensation, that's a good thing.
... Be clear, concise, succinct, and professional in your own communications. You don't have to be best friends with the model. You don't have to gush about how hot your model is. You are engaging her to do a job (whether you are paying $$$ or TFP) -- keep to business. Don't seek the model's approval of your project; rather, determine whether she is willing to participate.
... Adopt the understanding that everything that happens during the production of images is the photographer's responsibility. The photographer is in charge.
... In general, feckless people blame others for their difficulties.
In summary: To me it's exceedingly simple -- either accept your flake ratio (in which case you need do nothing) or attempt to improve your flake ratio (in which case, change your approach & take more precautions).
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10747
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Looknsee Photography wrote:
Reminder: this thread's title is "How to best handle a FLAKE model?".
If the OP wants positive, personal affirmation, then yes, you are perfect, your work is lovely, you've done nothing wrong, and the flaking is 100% the model's fault. Note, however, that this stance has the best guarantee that the OP will continue to experience flakes.
The title is kinda ambiguous -- is the OP asking how he should handle this particular model who has flaked, or is he asking how he should avoid future similar flakes? I'm not clear on that.
But if the OP wants to improve his flake ratio, the last thing he should do is to continue doing the same thing. ("One can define 'insanity' by doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results".)
In my book, people who blame others for the disappointments in their lives will always be limited. While I may agree that there is little-to-nothing you can do to improve other people's behavior, there is always much you can do to improve your own success. In this particular case (flaking models), there is much you can do. For example:
... Listen to your model. Many models are young, inexperienced, and too polite. Many models do not have the ability to express themselves clearly.
... Work with models who are enthusiastic about the project. Clearly, in this case, the model had severe reservations about the project: in particular, her attempt to restrict the photographer's usage rights is a clear red flag.
... Understand that there is no filter on membership to this site -- pretty much anyone can join. Here you will find flakes & reliable people. That is not going to change.
... Learn to filter out the unreliable models. Selecting your model is your first step in your artistic process. Be selective. Be discriminating.
... Learn to spot clues for the reliability of potential models. Ideas include
--- Check references
--- In particular, share references & recommendations with people you know.
--- Look for models with a variety of photographers in their portfolio.
--- Look for models whose portfolio shows a wide range of expression.
--- Value "experienced".
... If the model is happy with her compensation, that's a good thing.
... Be clear, concise, succinct, and professional in your own communications. You don't have to be best friends with the model. You don't have to gush about how hot your model is. You are engaging her to do a job (whether you are paying $$$ or TFP) -- keep to business. Don't seek the model's approval of your project; rather, determine whether she is willing to participate.
... Adopt the understanding that everything that happens during the production of images is the photographer's responsibility. The photographer is in charge.
... In general, feckless people blame others for their difficulties.
In summary: To me it's exceedingly simple -- either accept your flake ratio (in which case you need do nothing) or attempt to improve your flake ratio (in which case, change your approach & take more precautions). reminder. read carefully before posting.
the thread's title has nothing to do with flakes
the thread is a zombie thread from 2009
if you must rant about flakes please use one of the existing open threads or (horrors) start your own.
have a nice day
Model
JessieLeigh
Posts: 2109
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Looknsee Photography wrote:
Reminder: this thread's title is "How to best handle a FLAKE model?". Oh lol.
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Looknsee Photography wrote:
Reminder: this thread's title is "How to best handle a FLAKE model?".
If the OP wants positive, personal affirmation, then yes, you are perfect, your work is lovely, you've done nothing wrong, and the flaking is 100% the model's fault. Note, however, that this stance has the best guarantee that the OP will continue to experience flakes.
The title is kinda ambiguous -- is the OP asking how he should handle this particular model who has flaked, or is he asking how he should avoid future similar flakes? I'm not clear on that.
But if the OP wants to improve his flake ratio, the last thing he should do is to continue doing the same thing. ("One can define 'insanity' by doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results".)
In my book, people who blame others for the disappointments in their lives will always be limited. While I may agree that there is little-to-nothing you can do to improve other people's behavior, there is always much you can do to improve your own success. In this particular case (flaking models), there is much you can do. For example:
... Listen to your model. Many models are young, inexperienced, and too polite. Many models do not have the ability to express themselves clearly.
... Work with models who are enthusiastic about the project. Clearly, in this case, the model had severe reservations about the project: in particular, her attempt to restrict the photographer's usage rights is a clear red flag.
... Understand that there is no filter on membership to this site -- pretty much anyone can join. Here you will find flakes & reliable people. That is not going to change.
... Learn to filter out the unreliable models. Selecting your model is your first step in your artistic process. Be selective. Be discriminating.
... Learn to spot clues for the reliability of potential models. Ideas include
--- Check references
--- In particular, share references & recommendations with people you know.
--- Look for models with a variety of photographers in their portfolio.
--- Look for models whose portfolio shows a wide range of expression.
--- Value "experienced".
... If the model is happy with her compensation, that's a good thing.
... Be clear, concise, succinct, and professional in your own communications. You don't have to be best friends with the model. You don't have to gush about how hot your model is. You are engaging her to do a job (whether you are paying $$$ or TFP) -- keep to business. Don't seek the model's approval of your project; rather, determine whether she is willing to participate.
... Adopt the understanding that everything that happens during the production of images is the photographer's responsibility. The photographer is in charge.
... In general, feckless people blame others for their difficulties.
In summary: To me it's exceedingly simple -- either accept your flake ratio (in which case you need do nothing) or attempt to improve your flake ratio (in which case, change your approach & take more precautions). Actually, this thread is about a model selling her nude photos . . .
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 37171
Columbus, Ohio, US
Looknsee Photography wrote:
Reminder: this thread's title is "How to best handle a FLAKE model?". Looks up.....down.....back up. Wut?
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Image Magik
Posts: 1515
Santa Cruz, California, US
Lucas Chapman wrote:
If you actually think selling nude images of yourself, even very "adult" ones will make you any kind of a living... you are sadly mistaken.
I have noticed more than a few "models" from well known amateur adult sites, showing up here on MM trying to make money as non-adult models. That's a pretty negative comment. Models model to make money. If a "nude" model wants to model with her clothes on for money what's the issue??
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Eye of the World
Posts: 1396
Corvallis, Oregon, US
Alabaster Crowley wrote:
I think they meant the person that bumped the thread. Exactly.
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Ivan123
Posts: 1037
Arlington, Virginia, US
I wish someone would go back and reanimate A LOT of the very old threads. When MM started, the forums were HILARIOUS and a lot of fun. These days humor is rarely appreciated and leads instantly to snark. Sigh! I miss the casting calls for models who had to bring their own shoes.
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10747
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Ivan123 wrote:
I wish someone would go back and reanimate A LOT of the very old threads. When MM started, the forums were HILARIOUS and a lot of fun. These days humor is rarely appreciated and leads instantly to snark. Sigh! I miss the casting calls for models who had to bring their own shoes. how could they be barefoot and pregnant if they had shoes? illogical
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