Forums > Off-Topic Discussion > Terrible Nudes!

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

Okay, I'm not claiming to be a famous artist or a highly published photographer, but what gives with these ports of snapshot like naked 18-19-20 year olds?  I know why the person behind the camera is there but isn't the lack of quality obvious to these young ladies?  Heck, some of this stuff reminds me of the 70's or 80's crap I'd find in the bottom draw of my dad's dresser when I was growing up! 

Sorry, just venting.  It's probably not a thread-worthy topic.

Dec 11 09 08:43 am Link

Model

Rachel Jay

Posts: 20439

Nashville, Tennessee, US

What one person thinks is ugly, another might see as art.  To each his or her own. 

On top of that, not everyone interested in photography starts out producing perfect shots.  And in order to get better, people need to post the best work they have, even if it doesn't live up to your high standards.

Bottom line is, if you don't like something, don't look at it.  Don't comment on it.  Just move on and find something you do like to look at.  Spend time creating images you are proud of, not complaining about images you don't like, that the creators might be proud of.

Dec 11 09 08:48 am Link

Photographer

OLJ Nudes

Posts: 190

Winnetka, California, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I am glad I don't have daughters/children!

???

Dec 11 09 08:56 am Link

Photographer

Eastfist

Posts: 3580

Green Bay, Wisconsin, US

I personally find 70s, 80s nudes more appealling.  But yeah, if you worry too much about your "competition," you'll never get your own work done.

Dec 11 09 08:58 am Link

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

Rachel Jay wrote:
What one person thinks is ugly, another might see as art.  To each his or her own. 

On top of that, not everyone interested in photography starts out producing perfect shots.  And in order to get better, people need to post the best work they have, even if it doesn't live up to your high standards.

Bottom line is, if you don't like something, don't look at it.  Don't comment on it.  Just move on and find something you do like to look at.  Spend time creating images you are proud of, not complaining about images you don't like, that the creators might be proud of.

I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

Dec 11 09 09:02 am Link

Photographer

Veteres Vitri

Posts: 1994

MAYLENE, Alabama, US

money makes the world go round

Dec 11 09 09:02 am Link

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

OLJ Nudes wrote:

???

I guess I was referring to someone being taken advantage of.  I didn't need to go there.

Dec 11 09 09:02 am Link

Photographer

Caradoc

Posts: 19900

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

I'd asked someone about this a while back, and was informed that some people are fixated on the old-style "Hustler Beaver Hunt" types of images.

In any case, since there are so many of them around, they must appeal to someone.

Dec 11 09 09:03 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13517

Washington, Utah, US

Sometimes models care more about pay than the quality of images - regardless of the state of dress. 

For what ever reasons, they must have felt doing the shoot was worth while.

Dec 11 09 09:05 am Link

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

Eastfist wrote:
I personally find 70s, 80s nudes more appealling.  But yeah, if you worry too much about your "competition," you'll never get your own work done.

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

Dec 11 09 09:05 am Link

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

Cecil Sharps wrote:
money makes the world go round

+1

Dec 11 09 09:05 am Link

Photographer

OLJ Nudes

Posts: 190

Winnetka, California, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

If I give you 60 min,
could you go and recreate such a picture?

Dec 11 09 09:06 am Link

Photographer

Eastfist

Posts: 3580

Green Bay, Wisconsin, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

Trust me, $ome models don't care and only want a quick fix.

Dec 11 09 09:08 am Link

Model

Caperucita Roja

Posts: 11545

London, England, United Kingdom

You're bound to get the 'one man's trash is another man's treasure' comments, but honestly I get you, there are some REALLY crap photos around that no one except the deluded people involved will like lol, I have been in these photos before- maybe I still am (dependant on opinions of course!)

The thing is, they will never see the light no matter what you say to them, so it's best to just leave them to it tongue

Dec 11 09 09:09 am Link

Photographer

FlirtynFun Photography

Posts: 13926

Houston, Texas, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

yeah...I hate when models who are adults and make their own decisions "get taken advantage of".

https://www.amethyst-gifts4u.com/USERIMAGES/red%20white%20knights(2).jpg

Dec 11 09 09:09 am Link

Photographer

Harpy_image

Posts: 1332

Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

Risk a model takes in the job they do.
pretty much every model out there has at least one image of them circulating that they hate..

Dec 11 09 09:10 am Link

Model

Valya

Posts: 1265

New York, New York, US

I agree with the OP, porn photos look better than some "art nudes" on here.

I see nothing wrong with nudes, erotica or even porn, but poor execution is hard to stomach smile

Dec 11 09 09:12 am Link

Photographer

Artifact Ghost

Posts: 390

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

I just don't see what difference it makes. If they, the photographers, like them....who cares. And, YES, I LIKE my "snap-shotty" stuff.

Dec 11 09 09:12 am Link

Model

Rachel Jay

Posts: 20439

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

And again:

Rachel Jay wrote:
What one person thinks is ugly, another might see as art.  To each his or her own. 

On top of that, not everyone interested in photography starts out producing perfect shots.  And in order to get better, people need to post the best work they have, even if it doesn't live up to your high standards.

Bottom line is, if you don't like something, don't look at it.  Don't comment on it.  Just move on and find something you do like to look at.  Spend time creating images you are proud of, not complaining about images you don't like, that the creators might be proud of.

I wasn't referring to just lighting or poses either.  I was referring the image as a whole when I responded to you the first time.  I stand by my answer.

Dec 11 09 09:13 am Link

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

Artifact Ghost  wrote:

I just don't see what difference it makes. If they, the photographers, like them....who cares. And, YES, I LIKE my "snap-shotty" stuff.

I did not see anything in your port that resembled what I was referring to!  Maybe you have a private stash.  smile

Dec 11 09 09:15 am Link

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

OLJ Nudes wrote:

If I give you 60 min,
could you go and recreate such a picture?

????

Dec 11 09 09:16 am Link

Photographer

FlirtynFun Photography

Posts: 13926

Houston, Texas, US

one thing I notice about photographers who have extensive experience...topics like this just don't tend to be posted. I don't see the reason to post some lame ass topic just to disparage someone...whether their work is amateurish or not.

Dec 11 09 09:17 am Link

Model

Kaeti

Posts: 3435

Olympia, Washington, US

Many models undertake gigs with very inexperienced photographers for the pay and/or experience.

I am personally highly selective about the photographers I will shoot nudes with just because I don't want a bunch of naked photos of questionable quality floating around with my name on them, but I certainly don't hold any judgment against models who consent to this kind of work.

Dec 11 09 09:17 am Link

Model

Sophia Be

Posts: 6355

Portland, Oregon, US

Dixie Lux wrote:
Many models undertake gigs with very inexperienced photographers for the pay and/or experience.

I am personally highly selective about the photographers I will shoot nudes with just because I don't want a bunch of naked photos of questionable quality floating around with my name on them, but I certainly don't hold any judgment against models who consent to this kind of work.

Hi :waves:

Dec 11 09 09:19 am Link

Model

Rachel Jay

Posts: 20439

Nashville, Tennessee, US

I suppose that it might also be worth noting that for some fetish work, the snapshotty, amateur look is actually preferred over something that's done 'perfect'.

Dec 11 09 09:19 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13517

Washington, Utah, US

Most of my nudes shoots are in that basic age range,(probably 3 years older on average.)  not because I prefer younger models, but because almost all the models in my area are in that age range.   

According to one recent critique the nudes in my portfolio are somewhere between terrible and average in quality.  Fortunately, not all potential models feel the same.

Dec 11 09 09:20 am Link

Photographer

Second Chance Imaging

Posts: 364

Houston, Texas, US

Welll  I started shooting nudes in the 70's so this makes be feel 30 years younger...

Dec 11 09 09:21 am Link

Photographer

Carlos Occidental

Posts: 10583

Los Angeles, California, US

Why are you people standing up for shitty shots?

He's absolutely right!  Lots of snap shot nudes are shit city.  Every one of you would agree looking at most of them.   "Yup. That's a shitty snap shot." 
I've taken quite a few snap shot nudes myself.  I've got them in albums of snap shots. 

You all love to go back and forth over some hairline differences, "people call it art." 

Well, no, they don't. 

Find a person who calls snap shot nudes art.  There are two of them here, but, their snap shots are gallery worthy, and a style that's difficult to reproduce.  Other than those two, nobody considers shitty snap shots art.

You tards will argue about ANYTHING.  Even if you don't agree.

Dec 11 09 09:22 am Link

Photographer

Caradoc

Posts: 19900

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

Abbitt Photography wrote:
According to one recent critique the nudes in my portfolio are somewhere between terrible and average in quality.  Fortunately, not all potential models feel the same.

Keep in mind that on Model Mayhem, you're just as likely to get "marked down" for not having enough skin or visible nipples in an image as for actual composition...

Dec 11 09 09:22 am Link

Photographer

Know Idea

Posts: 3000

Los Angeles, California, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

Everyone starts out a beginner.

Dec 11 09 09:23 am Link

Photographer

PashaPhoto

Posts: 9726

Brooklyn, New York, US

if it wasn't for terrible nudes and guys who shoot them, half the models on this site would be starving smile

Dec 11 09 09:24 am Link

Photographer

John Milton

Posts: 910

Dallas, Texas, US

I just can't figure out why it matters what others do.  I have my own crap to deal with and I do that poorly.

John

Dec 11 09 09:24 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13517

Washington, Utah, US

Caradoc wrote:

Keep in mind that on Model Mayhem, you're just as likely to get "marked down" for not having enough skin or visible nipples in an image as for actual composition...

Absolutely,   I don't think my nudes are really terrible, but I know many that have a lot of comments and lists are technically inferior to other images that have no comments.

Dec 11 09 09:25 am Link

Photographer

FlirtynFun Photography

Posts: 13926

Houston, Texas, US

Charles West wrote:
Why are you people standing up for shitty shots?

He's absolutely right!  Lots of snap shot nudes are shit city.  Every one of you would agree looking at most of them.   "Yup. That's a shitty snap shot." 
I've taken quite a few snap shot nudes myself.  I've got them in albums of snap shots. 

You all love to go back and forth over some hairline differences, "people call it art." 

Well, no, they don't. 

Find a person who calls snap shot nudes art.  There are two of them here, but, their snap shots are gallery worthy, and a style that's difficult to reproduce.  Other than those two, nobody considers shitty snap shots art.

I'm not standing up for shitty snap shots. I'm saying there's no reason to step up on a podium and create a forum topic on it. It just shows the arrogance of the poster when they do that. Most decent photographers whose work stands on it's own have no need to blast other's work with forum topics such as these.

Dec 11 09 09:28 am Link

Photographer

Carlos Occidental

Posts: 10583

Los Angeles, California, US

He isn't blasting a single photographer.  Just shitty snap shot nudes.
And, this thread is no more banal than every thread outside of the industry forums.

Dec 11 09 09:32 am Link

Model

nexiste plus

Posts: 7077

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
Okay, I'm not claiming to be a famous artist or a highly published photographer, but what gives with these ports of snapshot like naked 18-19-20 year olds?  I know why the person behind the camera is there but isn't the lack of quality obvious to these young ladies?  Heck, some of this stuff reminds me of the 70's or 80's crap I'd find in the bottom draw of my dad's dresser when I was growing up! 

Sorry, just venting. It's probably not a thread-worthy topic.

BINGO!!! And its DEF not worthy of "General Industry"

If this is what you have to vent about, consider yourself incredibly fortunate...

Dec 11 09 09:33 am Link

Photographer

FlirtynFun Photography

Posts: 13926

Houston, Texas, US

Charles West wrote:
He isn't blasting a single photographer.  Just shitty snap shot nudes.
And, this thread is no more banal than every thread outside of the industry forums.

he IS however putting himself up on a pedestal to talk down on those he thinks less of...WHY?

When I first started, my shots looked like snapshots. Some photographers today would say my work is amateurish. I don't see a need to create a fucking forum post every time I see a photo that doesn't live up to "MY standards"

Dec 11 09 09:36 am Link

Model

C H I N Y E R E

Posts: 417

Houston, Texas, US

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

your so right...i see those all the time!kitchen lighting lol i guess if someone pays another,they'll do it

Dec 11 09 09:37 am Link

Photographer

Bailey Blvd Studios

Posts: 1678

Southern Pines, North Carolina, US

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:

I'm not standing up for shitty snap shots. I'm saying there's no reason to step up on a podium and create a forum topic on it. It just shows the arrogance of the poster when they do that. Most decent photographers whose work stands on it's own have no need to blast other's work with forum topics such as these.

Arrogance???  I'm a no one!  This isn't me versus anyone.  This is me expressing saddness.

Dec 11 09 09:39 am Link

Model

Angela Marie de Pietro

Posts: 37

Los Angeles, California, US

all of your responses to the original topic are ridiculous i know exactly what he means my shots arent amazing but theyre the best i have so theyre up there but you dont have to take a naked polaroid to get work, and grown women get taken advantage of all the time.
argh im never reading a thread again this pissed me off so bad...all this childish bickering

Dec 11 09 09:39 am Link