Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I am glad I don't have daughters/children!

???

Rachel Jay wrote:
What one person thinks is ugly, another might see as art.  To each his or her own. 

On top of that, not everyone interested in photography starts out producing perfect shots.  And in order to get better, people need to post the best work they have, even if it doesn't live up to your high standards.

Bottom line is, if you don't like something, don't look at it.  Don't comment on it.  Just move on and find something you do like to look at.  Spend time creating images you are proud of, not complaining about images you don't like, that the creators might be proud of.

I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

OLJ Nudes wrote:

???

I guess I was referring to someone being taken advantage of.  I didn't need to go there.

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

I'd asked someone about this a while back, and was informed that some people are fixated on the old-style "Hustler Beaver Hunt" types of images.

In any case, since there are so many of them around, they must appeal to someone.

Eastfist wrote:
I personally find 70s, 80s nudes more appealling.  But yeah, if you worry too much about your "competition," you'll never get your own work done.

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

Cecil Sharps wrote:
money makes the world go round

+1

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

If I give you 60 min,
could you go and recreate such a picture?

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

Trust me, $ome models don't care and only want a quick fix.

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

yeah...I hate when models who are adults and make their own decisions "get taken advantage of".

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I wasn't worried about competition.  LOL.  I was feeling bad for the models that a poorly captured image of their body would be circulating around the world for a very long time.

Risk a model takes in the job they do.
pretty much every model out there has at least one image of them circulating that they hate..

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:

I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

I just don't see what difference it makes. If they, the photographers, like them....who cares. And, YES, I LIKE my "snap-shotty" stuff.

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

And again:

Rachel Jay wrote:
What one person thinks is ugly, another might see as art.  To each his or her own. 

On top of that, not everyone interested in photography starts out producing perfect shots.  And in order to get better, people need to post the best work they have, even if it doesn't live up to your high standards.

Bottom line is, if you don't like something, don't look at it.  Don't comment on it.  Just move on and find something you do like to look at.  Spend time creating images you are proud of, not complaining about images you don't like, that the creators might be proud of.

I wasn't referring to just lighting or poses either.  I was referring the image as a whole when I responded to you the first time.  I stand by my answer.

Artifact Ghost  wrote:

I just don't see what difference it makes. If they, the photographers, like them....who cares. And, YES, I LIKE my "snap-shotty" stuff.

I did not see anything in your port that resembled what I was referring to!  Maybe you have a private stash. 

OLJ Nudes wrote:

If I give you 60 min,
could you go and recreate such a picture?

????

Dixie Lux wrote:
Many models undertake gigs with very inexperienced photographers for the pay and/or experience.

I am personally highly selective about the photographers I will shoot nudes with just because I don't want a bunch of naked photos of questionable quality floating around with my name on them, but I certainly don't hold any judgment against models who consent to this kind of work.

Hi :waves:

Abbitt Photography wrote:
According to one recent critique the nudes in my portfolio are somewhere between terrible and average in quality.  Fortunately, not all potential models feel the same.

Keep in mind that on Model Mayhem, you're just as likely to get "marked down" for not having enough skin or visible nipples in an image as for actual composition...

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

Everyone starts out a beginner.

Caradoc wrote:

Keep in mind that on Model Mayhem, you're just as likely to get "marked down" for not having enough skin or visible nipples in an image as for actual composition...

Absolutely,   I don't think my nudes are really terrible, but I know many that have a lot of comments and lists are technically inferior to other images that have no comments.

Charles West wrote:
Why are you people standing up for shitty shots?

He's absolutely right!  Lots of snap shot nudes are shit city.  Every one of you would agree looking at most of them.   "Yup. That's a shitty snap shot." 
I've taken quite a few snap shot nudes myself.  I've got them in albums of snap shots. 

You all love to go back and forth over some hairline differences, "people call it art." 

Well, no, they don't. 

Find a person who calls snap shot nudes art.  There are two of them here, but, their snap shots are gallery worthy, and a style that's difficult to reproduce.  Other than those two, nobody considers shitty snap shots art.

I'm not standing up for shitty snap shots. I'm saying there's no reason to step up on a podium and create a forum topic on it. It just shows the arrogance of the poster when they do that. Most decent photographers whose work stands on it's own have no need to blast other's work with forum topics such as these.

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
Okay, I'm not claiming to be a famous artist or a highly published photographer, but what gives with these ports of snapshot like naked 18-19-20 year olds?  I know why the person behind the camera is there but isn't the lack of quality obvious to these young ladies?  Heck, some of this stuff reminds me of the 70's or 80's crap I'd find in the bottom draw of my dad's dresser when I was growing up! 

Sorry, just venting. It's probably not a thread-worthy topic.

BINGO!!! And its DEF not worthy of "General Industry"

If this is what you have to vent about, consider yourself incredibly fortunate...

Charles West wrote:
He isn't blasting a single photographer.  Just shitty snap shot nudes.
And, this thread is no more banal than every thread outside of the industry forums.

he IS however putting himself up on a pedestal to talk down on those he thinks less of...WHY?

When I first started, my shots looked like snapshots. Some photographers today would say my work is amateurish. I don't see a need to create a fucking forum post every time I see a photo that doesn't live up to "MY standards"

Bailey Blvd Studios wrote:
I'm not talking about lighting or poses I don't like.  I'm talking about snap shots that look like a boyfriend says, "Hey, why don't you take your shirt off and I'll snap a few pix of you before we study."

your so right...i see those all the time!kitchen lighting lol i guess if someone pays another,they'll do it

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:

I'm not standing up for shitty snap shots. I'm saying there's no reason to step up on a podium and create a forum topic on it. It just shows the arrogance of the poster when they do that. Most decent photographers whose work stands on it's own have no need to blast other's work with forum topics such as these.

Arrogance???  I'm a no one!  This isn't me versus anyone.  This is me expressing saddness.