James_Cessna wrote:
I understand the example, but I mean in a closed setting, not in public walking around outside, and still not wanting to wear thong panties or a thong swim bottoms on the beach at a closed private session.

Dude, just make your next casting say:

"Tennessee Thong Challenge! 

T-Back enthusiast challenges you to show me a thong shot I've never seen."

Make a website and send me 10% for the idea.

Seriously man, you dig thongs.  Be loud and proud of that and spin your proclivity into your hook, but quit all the rationalization, It makes you look pathetic and wimpy.

For reference see the following:

Collin Rae (https://www.modelmayhem.com/3508) digs feet and shoots feet

DonSir (http://www.donsirphotography.com/) digs curvy women in his rope, and shoots curvy women in his rope

I dig people living authentically outside the mainstream, so I shoot people living outside the mainstream.

James_Cessna wrote:
1. Would you wear a thong? Why or why not? and
2. Is there a difference between a 2 piece swimsuit and a lingerie set?

Wardrobe is wardrobe – put it on and shoot

(Nude is nude – take it off and shoot)

In this world you are seldom paid to NOT do what the person paying you wants you to do.

K I C K H A M wrote:

It also depends what it is worth to each person.

There are models with billionaire parents. They aren't as likely to fold for money, or may be more likely to fold for fame, there are a lot of factors. I guess my point is everyone has a price, but that price may not be money. If someone offered me a million to get naked right now? I'm going to say I doubt it. But why would that happen? But if someone was going to kill someone if I didn't do a nude photo shoot, yes, I would do it, no doubt.

Of course.  But my point isn't even to your extremes.  I don't mean life or death, or those rare models that are trust fund babies.  I mean the average girl.  Depending on her own personal goal what would they do?  I don't know you that well, but I'd be willing to venture that you'd shoot swimwear a la Sports Illustrated if it got you the cover of the most famous magazine in the world or your absolute dream tearsheets (Vogue, Harpers, W, etc etc).  At the very least you'd have to seriously consider it (assuming your goals re: modeling are as I suspect).  Am I at least somewhat right?

James_Cessna wrote:

I mean paid too. Some still will not even if the shoot is paid.

They are just not comfortable with it. Or where their pictures end up because once they are paid, they have no control about the usage of the pictures.

That's it. What is so confusing?

Tyrone Lavigne wrote:

Of course.  But my point isn't even to your extremes.  I don't mean life or death, or those rare models that are trust fund babies.  I mean the average girl.  Depending on her own personal goal what would they do?  I don't know you that well, but I'd be willing to venture that you'd shoot swimwear a la Sports Illustrated if it got you the cover of the most famous magazine in the world or your absolute dream tearsheets (Vogue, Harpers, W, etc etc).  At the very least you'd have to seriously consider it (assuming your goals re: modeling are as I suspect).  Am I at least somewhat right?

Definitely. People usually use the crazy extreme money examples though-- which don't really work since they aren't logical.

James_Cessna wrote:

I mean paid too. Some still will not even if the shoot is paid.

That can be one of two things (probably more, but these 2 jump out at me):

1) Either the model just isn't comfortable with it on any level

or

2) The work of the paying party just isn't good enough that they want those pictures floating around, no matter what the pay day.

K I C K H A M wrote:

Definitely. People usually use the crazy extreme money examples though-- which don't really work since they aren't logical.

Either it's late, or I'm going senile.....I have no idea how we got here in the conversation

BTW, you need yahoo msgr

JoJo wrote:

Wardrobe is wardrobe – put it on and shoot

(Nude is nude – take it off and shoot)

In this world you are seldom paid to NOT do what the person paying you wants you to do.

Right, but if the person paying you wants you to sleep with them, then you would turn it down (yes, I understand that's not modeling-- but that's toward the last portion of the quote).

We all draw lines at some point.

Winnie L wrote:

They are just not comfortable with it. Or where their pictures end up because once they are paid, they have no control about the usage of the pictures.

That's it. What is so confusing?

That makes sense, and is my suspicion. 

BTW:  *poke/hugs/etc*

Tyrone Lavigne wrote:

That makes sense, and is my suspicion. 

BTW:  *poke/hugs/etc*

Huggles buggles.

Get some sleep.

K I C K H A M wrote:

Now I understand a bit-- we have a  misunderstanding. It's not about what happens while shooting-- it's a about the pictures.

Many of us are young and haven't decided exactly what we want in life.

When you have lingerie pictures on the internet, you can limit yourself in other aspects of life.

Same as not doing them can limit your modeling career. It's all a balancing act. But why draw the line at thong and not bikini? Well, thong covers very little, why not just go nude. And if you're nude, why does it matter if it's semi=pornographic..

point is, most of us have to choose to draw the line somewhere, and usually we have our own personal reasons for doing so.

I can understand that.

Winnie L wrote:

They are just not comfortable with it. Or where their pictures end up because once they are paid, they have no control about the usage of the pictures.

That's it. What is so confusing?

I never said I was confused. I was asking models for there independent reasons.

K I C K H A M wrote:
Right, but if the person paying you wants you to sleep with them, then you would turn it down (yes, I understand that's not modeling-- but that's toward the last portion of the quote).

We all draw lines at some point.

Wearing the wardrobe described in the casting (see my post above) or agreed to when you took the job is the point here, not sleeping with photographers.

You've now become guilty of the hyperbole you accused others of (million dollar scenario).

Besides, no one in their right mind would sleep with me.  That's just boring.  Having sex with me, on the other hand, THAT can be interesting.

My point here is the point of all of this.  Poor communication and dancing around using the words that convey what we really want creates confusion and all kinds of room for misinterpretation.

Being clear (blunt) puts us at risk of rejection, but also greatly reduces the risk that the shoot will fall apart over issues that should have been presented up front.

Oni at Lifestyle Images wrote:
Besides, no one in their right mind would sleep with me.  That's just boring.  Having sex with me, om the other hand, THAT can be interesting.

Aw, but some people just like to cuddle and hold hands. That's super fun, too. *Cough*

James_Cessna wrote:

I never said I was confused. I was asking models for there independent reasons.

Well, many people have given you valid reasons. The model can wear a swimsuit for a picture but feel that shooting in lingerie gives out an impression that they are taking off clothes to model, but will not be considered as a "real" model outside the internet. So paid or not, they will not do lingerie. Most of the newer/aspiring models all want to grab fashion looking shots because it is the safest route, and from there it is easier to expand to other genres such as commercial/beauty.

That is why you see so many profiles that say no nudes/implied/lingerie etc etc.

The models that work in the real industry usually have no such stipulations because that is their full time profession so if its lingerie or thong or whatever, its usually for a legitimate campaign ad or catalogue shot or what not, so regardless  of anything, no one will say eeew you do lingerie shoots shame on you.

Stans Mods wrote:
I don't see the much difference..
times are changing.
i've seen swim wear so small it just barely covers the nipples and crotch area.

On your beach or in a magazine.  In Indiana you would be arrested for wearing a thong to a public pool.

Winnie L wrote:
The models that work in the real industry usually have no such stipulations because that is their full time profession so if its lingerie or thong or whatever, its usually for a legitimate campaign ad or catalogue shot or what not, so regardless  of anything, no one will say eeew you do lingerie shoots shame on you.

+1

Exactly why the "But if Victoria's Secret wanted you in their catalog" argument doesn't hold up.

JWB2 wrote:
On your beach or in a magazine.  In Indiana you would be arrested for wearing a thong to a public pool.

I've worn a thong out in public(Indianapolis, here). It's legal if it's "regulation" (atleast two finger width. Must cover inner, outer labia, anus, vagina, must not be see through. You can't show pubic hair. Nipple must be covered, you can use clear liquid latex.)

It just depends on the City, County, and State (of course federal, too..) laws.

Stans Mods wrote:
I don't see the much difference..
times are changing.
i've seen swim wear so small it just barely covers the nipples and crotch area.

You mean like this?

In Indiana you would be arrested for wearing a thong to a public pool.

Really??

James_Cessna wrote:

In Indiana you would be arrested for wearing a thong to a public pool.

Really??

No. :\

Jenn Whitten-Hancock wrote:

I've worn a thong out in public(Indianapolis, here). It's legal if it's "regulation" (atleast two finger width. Must cover inner, outer labia, anus, vagina, must not be see through. You can't show pubic hair. Nipple must be covered, you can use clear liquid latex.)

It just depends on the City, County, and State (of course federal, too..) laws.

That is true.  I cannot believe they measure all that stuff.

Jenn Whitten-Hancock wrote:

James_Cessna wrote:

In Indiana you would be arrested for wearing a thong to a public pool.

Really??

No. :\

Well!  Like you said it depends.  Thong police can be bribed also.

James_Cessna wrote:

In Indiana you would be arrested for wearing a thong to a public pool.

Really??

lmao... I remember a while back they were either giving tickets or arresting girls, I cant recall what it was exactly, in miami of all places for wearing thongs! they were like selling wieners at the hot dog carts lol... really funny

( ANT ) Mgaphoto wrote:

James_Cessna wrote:

In Indiana you would be arrested for wearing a thong to a public pool.

Really??

lmao... I remember a while back they were either giving tickets or arresting girls, I cant recall what it was exactly, in miami of all places for wearing thongs! they were like selling wieners at the hot dog carts lol... really funny

You gotta be kidding me! I would think that wearing a thong swimsuit in Miami was an everyday thing and the only people excited about it was tourists.

K I C K H A M wrote:

James_Cessna wrote:
Also, the professional girls I know who will wear swimsuit and not lingerie won't wear the icky-looking swimwear.

Nothing worse than icky-looking swimwear

Jenn Whitten-Hancock wrote:
Swimwear ------> Swimming

Lingerie -------> Sexy time

I agree, it has a different meaning. You wouldn't go to work in your piama either, even though they're both pants and a top (okay, as an example, I know most of us don't wair that kind of pyama anymore, but work with me here :p)

not a glamour model so I don't really have an opinion on the subject. I do have one picture that's more on the sexy side https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/16789932 and a was basically wearing a panty with some strings attached to it. It looked whorish when I put it on and I felt like a salami (looked like one too) but it looks completely different in a photo. I think sometimes it's good to exaggerate and go a bit further, because the camera will compensate that.

Not that you can't do a sexy picture with shorts, but nothing wrong with things either

James_Cessna wrote:
I have talked to serveral models before shoots to dicuss their outfits for the shoot. Some of them will not wear a swimsuit thong or lingerie thong. Some will. I feel that wearing a thong bottom is almost standard now for glamour modeling. I've also talked with some who will wear a two piece swimsuit but will not wear lingerie. What's the difference? They show the same amount. So my question to you is

1. Would you wear a thong? Why or why not? and
2. Is there a difference between a 2 piece swimsuit and a lingerie set?

All answers respected (because everyone is different) and appreciated.

If I had the ass for a thong then yeah Id wear one! but unfortnuately I currently do not so I wouldnt want ppl to see my dimples
As for the lingerie, its impied for a more sexual look but I get what your saying abt how it shows the same amount of skin so Id do lingerie to (as long as its not a thong) lol Good forum

James_Cessna wrote:
I've head a few say that they would never pose nude either, but would if it was for Playboy.

I'm suggesting that models need to look for a new threshold, because I feel Playboy is not long for this world. "Playboy style" may well survive longer than Playboy itself.

James_Cessna wrote:
I feel that wearing a thong bottom is almost standard now for glamour modeling.

and who are you?

James_Cessna wrote:
I've also talked with some who will wear a two piece swimsuit but will not wear lingerie. What's the difference? They show the same amount.

It's not about what they SHOW.  It's about what they DO.  A swimsuit is something you wear to splash around on the beach.  Lingerie is something you wear to ride some stinky cootie filled boy like Seabiscuit.

Oni at Lifestyle Images wrote:

Wearing the wardrobe described in the casting (see my post above) or agreed to when you took the job is the point here, not sleeping with photographers.

You've now become guilty of the hyperbole you accused others of (million dollar scenario).

Besides, no one in their right mind would sleep with me.  That's just boring.  Having sex with me, on the other hand, THAT can be interesting.

My point here is the point of all of this.  Poor communication and dancing around using the words that convey what we really want creates confusion and all kinds of room for misinterpretation.

Being clear (blunt) puts us at risk of rejection, but also greatly reduces the risk that the shoot will fall apart over issues that should have been presented up front.

My point was toward "You rarely get paid to NOT do what the people paying you want."

At some point, everyone draws their lines over what they will do to get paid. And some people's lines aren't until something extreme such as that. However, getting propositioned for sex as a model isn't nearly as rare as being offered a million dollars... I've even been in that situation. Ew.

Val Reese wrote:
It's pretty standard for me... 

I always wear a thong when I shoot.

i second that.... haha