Shiva Photo wrote:
This country is good for suing if not anything else, I am surprised you were not hit with a lawsuit.

Great at suing, but believe it or not - not all that good at winning the suits.

Steveba wrote:

Its pretty much like that in the UK, with the exception of the odd prude.

I shoot nudes, however, calling models who don't do so 'prudes' is unnecessary.

Minn wrote:

hmm...so a models only a good model if she shoots nudes? Or changes in front of the crew? a little confused...

I was wondering at this, too. I guess some photographers have a different priority list:
first--must take clothes off
second--must look good
third--should probably know how to do some posing? Maybe? Optional?

Minn wrote:
hmm...so a models only a good model if she shoots nudes? Or changes in front of the crew? a little confused...

no, a good model is one who does the job she (or he) was hired to do and gets the results with a minimum of bs

some of the best models I've shot with don't do nudes

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Without a work permit, you are not able to do any kind of business arrangement with an alien under any circumstances. You cannot hire them, sell them a car, or buy their house.

Aliens without work permits are not limited from buying things, and an alien can hire YOU. If aliens required a work permit to engage in any commerce, tourist visas wouldn't even cover the transaction of hiring a hotel for the night. Aliens are only limited in becoming employed.

New Century Studio wrote:

Much to the benefit of European culture, the Puritans never set foot here.

Actually, when the Puritans were expelled from the UK, they went to Holland. The Dutch eventually kicked them out of the country, not because of their beliefs, but because the Puritans were intolerantly trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

David Thorpe wrote:

Has any photographer ever spent years in prison for 2257 a violation?  I'm curious because I've never heard of it happening.

I'm just really surprised with the recent populist groundswell of electing candidates who are running on platforms of less invasive government, that none of them are interested in recrafting 2257 so that it doesn't un-neccessarily affect nude art photographers who aren't engaging in anything remotely pornographic.

Patchouli Nyx wrote:

I'm just really surprised with the recent populist groundswell of electing candidates who are running on platforms of less invasive government, that none of them are interested in recrafting 2257 so that it doesn't un-neccessarily affect nude art photographers who aren't engaging in anything remotely pornographic.

Because even our atheist and agnostic liberals are as puritan in their beliefs on nudity and modesty as the devout christian and muslim liberals... Forget about us non modest conservatives, we're way out numbered...

ACPhotography wrote:

Because even our atheist and agnostic liberals are as puritan in their beliefs on nudity and modesty as the devout christian and muslim liberals... Forget about us non modest conservatives, we're way out numbered...

there are a number of non-puritan liberals as well.

you'd think if all the conservative shooters who specialize in nekkid (and tied up ) girl photos could inspire the tea party to take up the cause, maybe in 2012 the draconian parts of the rules could be changed.

I'm wondering if any photographers on MM are actually working on this politically.

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
WRONG !!

You can spend 5 years in federal prison for each and every mistake in your 2257 record keeping. You must have copies and electronic scans of a models legal, government issued picture ID.

Without a work permit, you are not able to do any kind of business arrangement with an alien under any circumstances. You cannot hire them, sell them a car, or buy their house.

Wait; you're saying my wife is supposed to make sure someone is legally in the United States before she sells them a pizza?

I don't think so.

Now, if you're talking about *paying* someone, whether for modeling or something else, you are most likely right; "employee" or not. 

For most of us, that's a much bigger issue than 2257.  INS has more resources, and it's fairly easy to avoid shooting 2257 content.

Dario Western wrote:
As somebody who does a lot of nude photography work and is also a nudist, I am curious to know why Americans and Australians are so neurotic about nudity whereas Europeans in the main aren't?  They are just as human, it's not like we come from another planet or have body parts that they don't.  We are all the same in our skin at the end of the day.

I did a shoot with a German model and a Scottish model together about 2 years ago, and they both were very at ease with being nude in the venue and chatting casually even when they were not being photographed.  They got themselves changed in the dining room even after I showed them a room where they could do so privately. 

It has to be said though that not all European and UK models are at ease with nudity.  Some European countries like Portugal, Italy, and Greece are quite prudish compared to say Spain, France, Denmark, Czech Republic, Russia, Germany and Holland.

I've shot with dozens of American (USA, mainly, and Canadian) models who were very comfortable with nudity, before and during the shoot, and between sets.

Sparrow Maiden wrote:

I shoot nudes, however, calling models who don't do so 'prudes' is unnecessary.

I could agree to this.

but it's not that non-nude models are prudes for not wanted to pose nude...

It's that non-nude models think the posing nude makes you a whore and ruins legit modeling.

Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
Yes... but just like downloading music... what is the likely hood of being caught... it's illegal.. but you only hear about the ones being caught out of how many people that do it?

Can you hire someone under the table?
Sure

Is it illegal?
Yep

How many have been caught doing so out of how many people that do it?
Don't know... it would be an interesting stat I'm sure.

Merlinpix wrote:
Plenty have done it, and gotten away with it.
Suppose you win the 'gotcha lottery'..wouldn't that be an interesting life experience?

Chances are that you will be struck by lightning before that would happen.
Especially for a small town wanna-be photographer like me.

If law enforcement tags me for hiring an "illegal" it means they have conquered organized crime, rid the united states of drug lords, put every pimp behind bars, solved every murder/rape/assault case, and have so much time on there hands that they have to come after ME?

Wow...

Watwat Imagery wrote:
I could agree to this.

but it's not that non-nude models are prudes for not wanted to pose nude...

It's that non-nude models think the posing nude makes you a whore and ruins legit modeling.

I've worked with, and talked with, plenty of models who choose not to shoot nudes but respect those who do.

I'm sure there are "prudes" among models who don't do nudes, but it's hardly accurate to say they all are.

MikeRobisonPhotos wrote:

I've worked with, and talked with, plenty of models who choose not to shoot nudes but respect those who do.

I'm sure there are "prudes" among models who don't do nudes, but it's hardly accurate to say they all are.

I'm sorry, I didn't make myself more clear.. I have a hard time with grammar and expressing myself.

I agreed to what she had said to Steve... no need to call someone a prude just because they don't pose nude... the "prudity" towards nudity comes when a model tries to place herself in a higher standard than those who choose to pose nude.

I could use bondage as an example that I find it very ugly and distasteful.. but I'm not going to go around and condemn those that choose to pose in it or shoot it.. they like it.. and that's all that matter.. my opinion means dittly shit to that crowd.

Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
If law enforcement tags me for hiring an "illegal" it means they have conquered organized crime, rid the united states of drug lords, put every pimp behind bars, solved every murder/rape/assault case, and have so much time on there hands that they have to come after ME?

Wow...

Or, they thought you'd be easier to convict.  Or, the official in question wasn't responsible for "drug lords, organized crime, or pimps."