Bizou Photography wrote:
And several have sent me PM's agreeing. Both models and togs.

I'm not the one coming across as creepy trust me.

You claim to have models and 'togs' (which is a bullshit insult to any real shooter, btw) messaging you about the creepy photographers, the underage models who are forced to endure the 'criminals' here on MM and all your supporters.

All this from a member who has been here a very, VERY short time.

Impressive to say the least.

Hopefully, you absorb more from that plethora of correspondence than you do from the replies in this thread, 'cause you sure as hell don't seem to comprehend any of that...

Bizou Photography wrote:

And several have sent me PM's agreeing. Both models and togs.

I'm not the one coming across as creepy trust me.

Nothing personal.. just saying... anyone that says "trust me"... ANYONE...
Trust is not the first thing that comes to mind.

Politicians, used car salesmen and preachers top the list.
Do you really want to hang with THAT crowd?

No offense intended.  Just saying.
Hope you are having a great day!

Melissa Boneau wrote:
Irresponsible adults perpetuate the problem.  Regardless of where you stand with the issue of seeing images of "immature models" of any age, the right to discuss the subject without harassment is the policy of MM forums.

Thanks for understanding. I had no idea I would personally be attacked, de-credited, called names, etc because of my original post.

If you're a young teen, you go to meet a guy MUCH older alone, then he coaxes you to taking off your clothes for his own fetish purposes or whatever it is. That's just wrong. Think about it.. it's only natural for someone to want to bring an escort when they've had a bad experience and now I understand why so many women are so adamant on the topic of escorts.

I still don't like the escort idea (being at home and all that), but have decided now to have my wife their just to ensure people this is a safe place to shoot and try to attract the models I need to make great pictures.

Teens even 16 are definitely valuable models and can have a lot of commercial potential and a good future. But I highly doubt their goals and dreams fit in with some tog literally corning them into taking their clothes off to take 'art' shots.

Facts are, art and fashion is filled with lots of lines that 'shoudnt' be crossed. The more jaded we become, the more blurred the lines get to the point it isn't art or fashion anymore - it's something else for another website.

Bizou Photography wrote:

Thanks for understanding. I had no idea I would personally be attacked, de-credited, called names, etc because of my original post.

If you're a young teen, you go to meet a guy MUCH older alone, then he coaxes you to taking off your clothes for his own fetish purposes or whatever it is. That's just wrong. Think about it.. it's only natural for someone to want to bring an escort when they've had a bad experience and now I understand why so many women are so adamant on the topic of escorts.

I still don't like the escort idea (being at home and all that), but have decided now to have my wife their just to ensure people this is a safe place to shoot and try to attract the models I need to make great pictures.

Teens even 16 are definitely valuable models and can have a lot of commercial potential and a good future. But I highly doubt their goals and dreams fit in with some tog literally corning them into taking their clothes off to take 'art' shots.

Facts are, art and fashion is filled with lots of lines that 'shoudnt' be crossed. The more jaded we become, the more blurred the lines get to the point it isn't art or fashion anymore - it's something else for another website.

Sorry, but this comment makes no sense on THIS website.  I am given to understand ALL models MUST be 18+ for MM.
Isnt that the case?
If that is the case, then the legalities of the type of shot is irrelevant.
If you believe the models to be in violation of the MM TOS, then report the photographer to the CAM.  They will take appropriate action.

IF you believe ILLEGAL actions have occurred, then you are morally obligated to report the incident to the local authorities.

And IF you do not believe this is worthy to report to the CAM or the authorities... why are we discussing it?

Your path is clear.

Bizou Photography wrote:
Hi!

I was clicking around and I found a photographers profile who only does TFP work and I noticed he has mostly teenagers in his profiles. Younger teens from the look of it.. and a LOT of them. It's pretty much his whole profile. He also has some nude shots where the girls look to be as young as 13-14. Seriously one of the girls looked like she was 'budding'.

I'm curious as to what is appropriate in the 'model world' as to what is appropriate as far as nudity and age goes because I have to say I'm not a prude or anything.. but there's eventually always a line that determines x from y.

I need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what is not as far as younger models go and nudity. Please define some rules of what is appropriate.

May be this is just me.

Why would you care if the girls were underage.  Let the photographer deal with it.  If you want, you can turn him in the police.  Or you have other motives to shoot underage girls.  You just want us to validate your intention.

Jeffrey Blake Adams wrote:
18+ only, not cool nor legal younger

Hmm it's not illegal to shoot nudes younger
than 18, i have mine are fine .

ShivaKitty wrote:
A couple of years ago, I received a series of hateful emails about how women like me (small figured) who model nude were supposedly promoting child porn, due to appearing underage. I never started modeling until my early 20s, and the fact that some mature women do still have features associated with "nubile" bodies means absolutely nothing. Not every adult woman has large breasts, and some people have baby-faces throughout their middle years. Does that mean that our bodies and sexuality should be repressed, maligned and treated as something disgusting? No. Absolutely not...

I got a comment on photo linked to below (same photo, but posted on an "art" website) complaining it was "kiddie porn" (the model was 24 at the time the photo was taken).

18+  https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 9#20739539  18+

Bizou Photography wrote:
If you're a young teen, you go to meet a guy MUCH older alone, then he coaxes you to taking off your clothes for his own fetish purposes or whatever it is. That's just wrong. Think about it.. it's only natural for someone to want to bring an escort when they've had a bad experience and now I understand why so many women are so adamant on the topic of escorts.

seriously , why does it matter if the guy is "much older" and
what if it's just to make nice shots and not automatically
for his own fetish purposes ,just because your not wearing
any clothes .

MC Grain wrote:

Unfortunately the only answer is that it depends on the circumstance.

Pornography, 18+. Acting in the Blue Lagoon, younger.

I really have a hard time thinking of reasons you'd legitimately need to shoot someone under 18 nude, even though it was legal.

FYI: Brooke Shields was never filmed naked in the Blue Lagoon. Any nude scenes were done by an adult body double.

Gary Melton wrote:
I got a comment on photo linked to below (same photo, but posted on an "art" website) complaining it was "kiddie porn" (the model was 24 at the time the photo was taken).

18+  https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 9#20739539  18+

That comment you rec'd says quite a lot about the person making it.  wow.

Bizou Photography wrote:

Thanks for understanding. I had no idea I would personally be attacked, de-credited, called names, etc because of my original post.

If you're a young teen, you go to meet a guy MUCH older alone, then he coaxes you to taking off your clothes for his own fetish purposes or whatever it is. That's just wrong. Think about it.. it's only natural for someone to want to bring an escort when they've had a bad experience and now I understand why so many women are so adamant on the topic of escorts.

I still don't like the escort idea (being at home and all that), but have decided now to have my wife their just to ensure people this is a safe place to shoot and try to attract the models I need to make great pictures.

Teens even 16 are definitely valuable models and can have a lot of commercial potential and a good future. But I highly doubt their goals and dreams fit in with some tog literally corning them into taking their clothes off to take 'art' shots.

Facts are, art and fashion is filled with lots of lines that 'shoudnt' be crossed. The more jaded we become, the more blurred the lines get to the point it isn't art or fashion anymore - it's something else for another website.

I have been here for a couple of years and I have never gotten the impression that MM was full of pedophiles and child molesters.

I know for certain that MM enforces its TOS and immediately deals with issues of nudity of minors regardless of intent of the images. 

As a responsible adult if you suspect a child is being abused you should report it to  the proper authorities.  Starting a thread about it rather than fulfilling your moral responsibilities is childish and leads me to suspect you are making this all up to somehow make yourself seem a morally superior person.

The verbiage you used in your OP and your responses throughout this thread has made me feel uncomfortable and extremely "skeeved". 

One final question for you in regards to your solution to escorts. (This is not directed at anyone specifically but is rather an observation of human behavior)

Why would a model feel safer alone with 2 perverts rather than one?   Spouses tend to reflect the morality of each other.  If someone is married to a pervert they either approve of the behavior or they don't care and are willing to ignore it.



I agree with all the posters who say "The louder someone claims they are something, the more likely it is they are not."

Photo Anthems wrote:
Just google Federal Regulation 2257a and you'll find out pretty much everything you need to know. If you ain't compliant, you leave yourself open to be busted no matter what state laws you think you're fine with.

Mike Meadows wrote:
Shoot nudes of under 18 at your own peril in the U.S. Child porn is dealt with harshly and swiftly, especially if you have images to prove it. Unless of course you like the idea of being a lifetime member of the Sex Crimes/Child Molester database.

Choose wisely, get a I.D. that says they are over 18.

He's in Canada.

KeithDewey3 wrote:
I have been here for a couple of years and I have never gotten the impression that MM was full of pedophiles and child molesters.

I've been on Modelmayhem for 6 years, and I have to agree with you!

KeithDewey3 wrote:
I know for certain that MM enforces its TOS and immediately deals with issues of nudity of minors regardless of intent of the images.

Yes, they do!

KeithDewey3 wrote:
As a responsible adult if you suspect a child is being abused you should report it to  the proper authorities.  Starting a thread about it rather than fulfilling your moral responsibilities is childish and leads me to suspect you are making this all up to somehow make yourself seem a morally superior person.

Yes, posting this thread is the wrong thing to do.  The thread detracts from his purpose simply in his manner of writing it and his verbiage.  It does not serve any purpose except for a "Look at me!"  I'm saving children!"  sort of tone form the OP.

KeithDewey3 wrote:
The verbiage you used in your OP and your responses throughout this thread has made me feel uncomfortable and extremely "skeeved".

Yes, he creeps me out too!

KeithDewey3 wrote:
One final question for you in regards to your solution to escorts. (This is not directed at anyone specifically but is rather an observation of human behavior)

Why would a model feel safer alone with 2 perverts rather than one?   Spouses tend to reflect the morality of each other.  If someone is married to a pervert they either approve of the behavior or they don't care and are willing to ignore it.

There have been many cases where a husband has manipulated his wife into crimes.  Just ask abduction survivor Jaycee Lee Dugard how that can happen. In her memoir, A Stolen Life, she reveals the dark, twisted mind of her captor, Phillip Garrido and his wife, Nancy who kept Jaycee there even while Phillip was serving time for an unrelated crime. If you don't already know the story, Jaycee was kidnapped as a child and kept captive for 18 years by a "husband and wife."

KeithDewey3 wrote:
I agree with all the posters who say "The louder someone claims they are something, the more likely it is they are not."

Certainly it was an interesting way for the OP to introduce himself to the forums.  I would be cautious of someone so defensive.  But then I have nothing to hide.

Lea Reah wrote:

seriously , why does it matter if the guy is "much older" and
what if it's just to make nice shots and not automatically
for his own fetish purposes ,just because your not wearing
any clothes .

This is also pretty funny to me. There's far worse a teenager can do than take her top off. There's tons of clothed fetish work out there. Is THAT okay? But it's just a little video of two girls in clothes tickling each other...totally harmless... Right?

Laura UnBound wrote:
Op why won't you answer my very simple question? Do you know for a FACT those girls are teens? Have you seen their id/birth certificate/at least asked them their age?

If you haven't, you don't know Adam from jack shit, trust me.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!

Oh.. and if I had enough room and if people cared.. I would probably continue to praise this statement.

Laura UnBound wrote:

This is also pretty funny to me. There's far worse a teenager can do than take her top off. There's tons of clothed fetish work out there. Is THAT okay? But it's just a little video of two girls in clothes tickling each other...totally harmless... Right?

How dare you reveal the plot to my short pilot video "Tickle Me Linda"!  I shall now have to sue you for damages and mental stress!

In all seriousness There are always a lot of assumptions made in fora that revolve around nudity, escorts, and minors.  Right now I'm feeling that the OP is trolling based on his posting behavior. 

My take is:
- Nude does not equate to sexual, but many people think it does.
- In the US, it is legal to take a nonsexual nude image of a minor If it were, many newborn photos would be deemed illegal.  However individuals in the system can make a different assumption based on their own experiences and bias.
- Those who increasingly say "I'm not this" really are what they deny themselves to be.
- If a law is being broken, you have a civic responsibility to alert the appropriate authorities. 
- Escorts are there for the same purpose as door locks...piece of mind.  In reality if someone wants to accomplish their goal, a little lock (or escort) becomes a minor inconvenience to the offender.  It's easier to take preventative measures so the lock isn't needed.
- The earth revolves around the sun
- Elvis is only dead in body.
- Cameras are much ore useful with film or memory cards inserted in them prior and during usage.
- Nothing beats fresh sourdough bread from San Francisco, CA.

Linda Khalil wrote:
In Canada child pornography: 

"...shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity"

highlight mine

I think the most important part is the AND.  It's not just under the age.

so, if a 30 year old shaves her pubes and creates explicit sexual images, that is considered child pornography in canada?

Laura UnBound wrote:
This is also pretty funny to me. There's far worse a teenager can do than take her top off. There's tons of clothed fetish work out there. Is THAT okay? But it's just a little video of two girls in clothes tickling each other...totally harmless... Right?

Laura, you are one of many models who do nudes here that I believe can look much younger than your actual age.  Every once in a while, we get a newbie who posts that claims there are under 18 year olds with nude images posted on this site.  Instead of posting about how is that so, they need to CAM it. 

Contrary to what some here believe, nudes of minors are not "illegal" simply because of the nudity.  It would be against the terms of use of this website however.  I give Modelmayhem credit where it's due, and in the 6 years I've been on this site, I have not seen any images of minors in a nude or otherwise inappropriate images on this site.   But then I don't go looking for them either.

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
How dare you reveal the plot to my short pilot video "Tickle Me Linda"!  I shall now have to sue you for damages and mental stress!

In all seriousness There are always a lot of assumptions made in fora that revolve around nudity, escorts, and minors.  Right now I'm feeling that the OP is trolling based on his posting behavior.

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
My take is:
- Nude does not equate to sexual, but many people think it does.

Agreed 100%

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- In the US, it is legal to take a nonsexual nude image of a minor If it were, many newborn photos would be deemed illegal.  However individuals in the system can make a different assumption based on their own experiences and bias.

Another very smart comment!

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- Those who increasingly say "I'm not this" really are what they deny themselves to be.

Now you're getting a little weird... because I deny that I'm a pedophile or a thief.. that makes me one?...

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- If a law is being broken, you have a civic responsibility to alert the appropriate authorities.

SMDH!.. you are going to tell on people for every little thing you can get... no one likes a tattle tail.. of course if it's something big... by all means contact the authorities, but if it doesn't affect you and doesn't hurt the person it's being done to... leave it the fuck alone.

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- Escorts are there for the same purpose as door locks...piece of mind.  In reality if someone wants to accomplish their goal, a little lock (or escort) becomes a minor inconvenience to the offender.  It's easier to take preventative measures so the lock isn't needed.

You really don't pay attention to escort threads very much do you.. pick one of the million and a half found here in the forum and read about how the escort is not a safety for the photographer.. how the escort is an unknown to him... This isn't an escort thread so, I won't make it into one, but please read legit reasons why some photographers don't allow escorts.

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- The earth revolves around the sun

And the moon revolves around the earth... but the universe revolves around me

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- Elvis is only dead in body.

Elvis is not dead but living on a spaceship with John F Kennedy and Gary Coleman.

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- Cameras are much ore useful with film or memory cards inserted in them prior and during usage.

Even with those things in the camera.. it helps even more if you TURN THE BLOODY THING ON!

DG Portrait Studio wrote:
- Nothing beats fresh sourdough bread from San Francisco, CA.

Never had it... but now I want Pizza.

JSL wrote:

If you would have read through the whole thread, you would have learned a couple of things about the 'cats at play here on MM.

But thank the Maker that we have white knights of all types to help cleanse this site of its demons.

And it is such a time saver when a person doesn't have to read everything 'cause they know it all at the word 'go.'

Please enlighten me.  When you speak of your "white knights" I don't think it means what you think.  I can think of millions who feel like cleansing but it not me they want...  btw, it has been on my mind because I feel obligated to not keep it a secret today, but on the same note of exploiting the weaker sex for adult entertainment, there are a lot of men who think they are denied basic civil rights by not being able to entertain the thought of publicly humiliating and mutilating bodies of what did you say to me?  The fact that the closest man I've ever had to a husband has only bloodshed on his mind and not interested in marriage now.  I don't mind the freedom, but the show is awful.  How would that look if everyone where allowed to defame, deform, and reshape images of people they LOVE TO HATE?

Bizou Photography wrote:

And several have sent me PM's agreeing. Both models and togs.

I'm not the one coming across as creepy trust me.

There goes the "trust me, I'm not creepy!" thing again. Listen. You CANNOT say you don't come across as creepy:

1) YOU cannot tell how you come across to others. You are not others. They react the way they react, and it's out of your control. It's entirely external to you.

2) you have, in fact, been coming across as EXTREMELY EXTRA CREEPY to a lot of people here, and they (we) have been making it known to you very clearly, both in this thread and others. "Trust me".

You have, in fact, come across to me as such a creeper with your comments, choice of words, flippant statements and stories, that I'm tempted to lean towards believing you are the kind of person posting on the internet about some disgusting sin they perceive is permeating and corrupting everything as a way to deal with such disturbing inner thoughts and impulses themselves. I hope they're no more than thoughts. And if all of this is shocking to you and doesn't ring true, deep down, then it's really time for you to reassess how you present yourself to the world, which is entirely your responsibility. You can't tell the world you're not the creepy guy when you've already creeped everybody out - just stating the opposite and refusing the reality of how you land is just ridiculous... One way or the other, it's a good opportunity to take a break and look inward for a moment. Right now you look like a penguin repeating to anyone who'd listen that you are, in fact, a zebra. Doesn't work that way.

Bizou Photography wrote:

Thanks for understanding. I had no idea I would personally be attacked, de-credited, called names, etc because of my original post.

If you're a young teen, you go to meet a guy MUCH older alone, then he coaxes you to taking off your clothes for his own fetish purposes or whatever it is. That's just wrong. Think about it.. it's only natural for someone to want to bring an escort when they've had a bad experience and now I understand why so many women are so adamant on the topic of escorts.

I still don't like the escort idea (being at home and all that), but have decided now to have my wife their just to ensure people this is a safe place to shoot and try to attract the models I need to make great pictures.

Teens even 16 are definitely valuable models and can have a lot of commercial potential and a good future. But I highly doubt their goals and dreams fit in with some tog literally corning them into taking their clothes off to take 'art' shots.

Facts are, art and fashion is filled with lots of lines that 'shoudnt' be crossed. The more jaded we become, the more blurred the lines get to the point it isn't art or fashion anymore - it's something else for another website.

I agree with you about the jaded, what else is there to do part.  However, let me share a true secret of mine.  I was not a sheltered child.  I grew up on the edge, not the street, thank Goodness   Didn't have to.  I am already there mentally so long ago it's well, that's something else.  I don't want to forget to apologize for being gone all day.  It's not like my mind has been somewhere else.  Not really.  However, this thread interests me because in spite of my lack of coddling, I was ambitious to model as soon as possible before any serious damages to my health or just life getting in the way before you're used up.  At the age of 13yrs I hired what I thought was a professional photographer, and I'm learning he probably was just another photographer in the business like yourself.  There were two shoots.  The first was chaperoned and came out dreadful.  I hated them.  He tried to convince me how great they were but I wasn't buying it.  I asked him if what he saw on the page was what he was looking at in my face.  He said no and offered to shoot me again for free.  I said I spend most of my life at home, and my school waredrobe wasn't what I wanted to model anyway so I insisted he shoot me at home alone.  Anyway, he photographed me at home.  My choice.  I felt safer that way with my animals, neighbors, and friends to reach easily.  I had all the advantages should he get out of control at home.  I had parental approval, but no one in the world could really control what happened next but me and him.  I modeled for him for hours, I can't remember how many rolls of film he used but he never stopped shooting except to ask permission to take off more clothing because the lights were making him sweat.  I was the one under the lights and I wasn't sweating or even doing anything remotely sexual.  I was being the typical teenage tease there on my mom's bed in lingerie all dolled up for a date.  Whether I was sexually active at the time is neither here nor there, I was advertising, and I knew how to do it well.  By the time I took a break to pee, he was wearing his white Calvin Klein designer type jocks, you know skimpier than the bikini but more than a G-string.  His ass was covered but not much more than that and he had a hard-on through the entire shoot which was captured in the mirrored wall above my mother's bed.  That could have been why the lights were hotter to him too.  What a jerk!  I was so not turned on by any of this.  It was strickly business for me, and after the first shoot I didn't have a lot of confidence in this idiot's professionalism.  He's probably reading this now, having a good laugh about it all.  I chose to leave the room and use my own bathroom instead of my mother's and he followed me.  Listened outside the door to see if I really had to pee.  The he asked me if I really had to pee or was I turned on by him.  I laughed in his face and said "Maybe it's time for you to go?" as a suggestion not a question.  He quickly changed his tune when he saw that my professionalism was present and he would be sorry if he crossed that line again.  He shot a few more rolls of film then left.  A week later he contacts me and says he has bad news.  The whole batch from the shot was lost in some chemical mishap.  He wanted to do them himself to be certain they weren't like the ones from the first shoot.  Then he offered to shoot me again for free.  I told him to go fuck himself, in so many words naturally.  He insisted he would not screw it up again.  I agreed but this time I said let's go to the neighborhood park.  I did not need to have the body shots in the boudoir.  I can wear a swimsuit.  Oh btw, I was already overweight by model standards by at least 20 lbs after puberty.  Not that I didn't wear it well but I was not being carded anywhere either.  Not because I didn't look fresh but maturity was written all over me.  I had no idea at this point, not having enough experience to think that far at the time, that the photographer dancing around in his undies while I'm working it in front for the camera was the real happy accident in the darkroom with the chemicals.  I didn't feel I was in danger, just dealing with a rank amateur, who apparently doesn't see through the lens very well.  He delivered the images as promised, which were fairly good. I still have a few of them and we didn't shoot again.  Although a few months later, our house was robbed and the only things taken were my modeling pics from him and other photographers, my pictures were always getting lost or stolen until I built-up my own collection, and one fire agate my mom held in safe-keeping for me.  I picked it out from a table at a gem show.  I told her it was a picture of the Red Baron, you know helmet, goggles, scarf, and gloves, one had is waving at the camera.  She saw it too after described it to her and she laughed and bought it for me.  It wasn't very expensive fortunately, but why would anyone steal that other than it was kept where she kept my portfolio and the negatives from my photoshoots.

The point of telling this charming and true story is that I can't even remember his name.  I know exactly what happened like it was yesterday.  I can't remember almost anything about him.  Could I recognize him?  I never forget a face but I can almost bet he won't be back unless he's planning to kill me.  I have no proof of anything anyway.  He made sure of it.  Nothing happened right, business as usual?  What about me?  What do I get?  I was a smart teen but anyone can be taken for a ride, especially if they don't expect it which goes with the greenhorn territory.  Simple exploitation.  How do I know he really destroyed those images?  Maybe he didn't.  He didn't come across to me that way at the time but who knows.  Model portfolios especially for income challenged men and women at the tender age 10+.

The point is everyone isn't creepy who appreciates nudity as a natural part of life.  Sexuality is a whole other subject and with different contexts.  Then there is fear which is almost always about violence, death, loss, and other grim parts of life.  It doesn't make it go away to immerse yourself in anything.  My personal viewpoint, I don't appreciate the exploitation of the weaker sex as an artform nor do I wish to work with individuals who enjoy this form of adult entertainment.  I think it's up to the authorities to decide what's appropriately shared in public.  And then enforce it for everyone equally or just forget the authority part and take your chances.  Whatever is good for the goose is good for the gander.  Don't forget the Golden Rule when you see your life in retrospective, generally when things don't go as U planned.

Daeda1us wrote:

why are we discussing it?

Your path is clear.

We are discussing it because we have the freedom to do so.  Unless, there is a rule I overlooked saying we can't discuss subjects you feel are irrelevant?  I thought that meant to mind your own business and not harass other members for opening a discussion about something they clearly would like to discuss reasonably with everyone else here who is interested and finds it very relevant.  Right and wrong is immaterial.  We need your permission to come aboard?

Why not report it to the authorities? Authorities? I think I covered that earlier.  But it's not like anyone decided to call out anyone here who digs this illegal looking work.  We are merely conversing about it like adults, who do see lots of images of underaged looking women.  We don't want to spend our good time here justifying why we are here or what we are talking about or whether we are right or whether we are wrong.

Bizou Photography wrote:
If you're a young teen, you go to meet a guy MUCH older alone, then he coaxes you to taking off your clothes for his own fetish purposes or whatever it is. That's just wrong.

who the fuck is saying it's "right"??? What episode of "Law & Order" are you cribbing this from? You're conflating "arranged photo shoot between consenting adults" with "sexual assault on a minor" and by implication tarring working professionals with years, if not -decades-, of experience with that very brush, and you wonder why people jump on you for it?

RBM Photo wrote:
Jesus everloving Christ this thread makes my brain hurt.




who the fuck is saying it's "right"??? What episode of "Law & Order" are you cribbing this from? You're conflating "arranged photo shoot between consenting adults" with "sexual assault on a minor" and by implication tarring working professionals with years, if not -decades-, of experience with that very brush, and you wonder why people jump on you for it?

a personal attack if ever there was one!

what part of discuss things professionally is not clear?  and the language is really inappropriate too.

agree. disagree.  answer questions.  ask questions.  don't make personal attacks, sling names, or jump on anyone for any reason.

if you don't understand the rules or believe someone is violating the rules of the forum contact the moderators

how hard is this for us?

Melissa Boneau wrote:

a personal attack if ever there was one!

what part of discuss things professionally is not clear?  and the language is really inappropriate too.

agree. disagree.  answer questions.  ask questions.  don't make personal attacks, sling names, or jump on anyone for any reason.

if you don't understand the rules or believe someone is violating the rules of the forum contact the moderators

how hard is this for us?

Personal attack? Inappropriate language?

I read that post three times, pretty much seems to be disagreeing with your posts.

Bizou Photography wrote:
I need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what is not as far as younger models go and nudity. Please define some rules of what is appropriate.

Ok I'm not attacking you here, Bizou.  I didn't even register this part of your initial question in my rush this morning.  But if I wanted to nit pick your approach to opening or carrying on the discussion, I would say it's lacking in defensible esteem to "need" anyone to tell you what is acceptable but I wouldn't stop you from asking.  That's my 2c on all of the browbeating in the forum.  Keep your chin up.  Same thing happened to me before.  I believe I took your meaning to be a sincere attempt to open a topic not to ask for moral or ethical advice on Model Mayhem, the very place you are pointing out possible offenses of protocol and perhaps illicit behavior.  My apologies if I misunderstood anything in this discussion.

Bizou Photography wrote:
Hi!

I was clicking around and I found a photographers profile who only does TFP work and I noticed he has mostly teenagers in his profiles. Younger teens from the look of it.. and a LOT of them.....

I must have dirt on my monitor as I read the third word starting with a "d" not "cl"

Did you ask the photographer?