Glenn WC wrote:

I think it's common everywhere now. I sometimes shoot downtown Nashville and always contact the property management and security before shooting to avoid problems, but that's still no guarantee.

I was almost arrested for tresspassing and soliciting in Nashville once. I used to work for Pace Concerts and we used to promote a summer concert series Thursday nights on the river. We hired a security firm that hired a few overzealous security guards who stopped me from posting flyers for NEXT WEEKS EVENT. So I called my boss, who called the owner of the security firm who assured us that the problem was solved. So I continued. The security guards took my flyers and called the police on the radio. The lady who was in charge of security onsite claimed that I had been warned numerous times and that I had become belligerent and acted in a threatening manner. So even when her boss finally got in touch with her and she realized I worked for the company that hired her company, she had already told the police that I had been disturbing the peace and whatnot, so I was not immediately released. /threadjack

Ouch. Suckage

Greg Kolack wrote:
Damn - this sounds like a situation I experienced almost detail by detail.

Like my friend Brennan, this is also a long story, but had a better ending.

Greg, I actually remember you telling me this story over a beer lol!!

B R E N N A N wrote:

Negative.

An appeal at superior court was my last option, and no way in hell was I about to spend 5+ grand to appeal it, giving the state more time to gather evidence (or post signs and take pictures, saying they were there all along) with the possibility of having my PJC overturned into an all our guilty verdict.

A PJC cannot be expunged either. I can just hope it doesn't affect any future employment options

Hope so too...At the end of the day is PJC  a tad "better" than guilty verdict?

cinema photography wrote:
Can you counter sue? Sure for pain, aggravation, malicious whatever, since as I understand it you can sue anyone for anything...the owner sounds like a dickbag

Actually, that was the intended plan of action in the event we were found not guilty (which we fully expected, but alas....).

MKPhoto wrote:

Hope so too...At the end of the day is PJC  a tad "better" than guilty verdict?

A smidgen, yes.

B R E N N A N wrote:

Thanks.

And yeah, this was a property that had been utilized by not only people from the photographic community, but hikers, metal detector people (I guess they have some name too, but you know what I'm talking about), and more, so it may behoove you to try and at least seek out permission

That would be a 'detectorist'...I had to google it.

I think the city of Marina owns the property now as the base was split up between 2 cities neighboring the base. Unfortunately, I think I already know the answer, if I should ask permission.

On a side note: I totally ADOOOORE your work!

B R E N N A N wrote:

Wild Side Studios does not realize two things:
1) That we can all see his portfolio.
2) That he can also have a look at mine.

I love even more than I did before...

And so do Frank and Jonathan...

ConnorStewart wrote:
congratulations on your new record, brennan

*waits for the prison stripes/convict themed shoot offers to come pouring in*

B R E N N A N wrote:

Actually, that was the intended plan of action in the event we were found not guilty (which we fully expected, but alas....).

Even if, can you still sue? It seems like you should be able to, also, this might be a media friendly case...

PhotographybyT wrote:

That would be a 'detectorist'...I had to google it.

I think the city of Marina owns the property now as the base was split up between 2 cities neighboring the base. Unfortunately, I think I already know the answer, if I should ask permission.

On a side note: I totally ADOOOORE your work!

Why, spank you!

B R E N N A N wrote:

Greg, I actually remember you telling me this story over a beer lol!!

I vaguely remember telling you it, but I wasn't sure.

Ironically, I just got home from that same bar!

But I didn't get stopped by the cops...

B R E N N A N wrote:



*waits for the prison stripes/convict themed shoot offers to come pouring in*

Damn it, stop your sorceress mind reading!!!

B R E N N A N wrote:


*waits for the prison stripes/convict themed shoot offers to come pouring in*

I would, but with the record Immigration here will not let you in

On a serious note, if you plan travelling here, check in advance, Immigration at the border are idiots, too.

cinema photography wrote:

Even if, can you still sue? It seems like you should be able to, also, this might be a media friendly case...

The short answer to a long story behind it, is no, it's not feasible.

The other model's family doesn't know she is modeling, the photographer is a professor at a respected college here, and well, while I have no shame, I know they don't want their names being dragged through the mud, among other things, such as time and financial considerations. I missed multiple agency jobs my last court date alone, almost causing me my local agency contract, which would be financially devastating.

Greg Kolack wrote:

I vaguely remember telling you it, but I wasn't sure.

Ironically, I just got home from that same bar!

But I didn't get stopped by the cops...

I just need to become a hermit, for the sake of everyone

MKPhoto wrote:

I would, but with the record Immigration here will not let you in

On a serious note, if you plan travelling here, check in advance, Immigration at the border are idiots, too.

Yes, I know all too well....firsthand actually.

B R E N N A N wrote:

Yes, I know all too well....firsthand actually.

Ooops. Already happened

MKPhoto wrote:

Ooops. Already happened

Will PM you later

B R E N N A N wrote:
The short answer to a long story behind it, is no, it's not feasible.

The other model's family doesn't know she is modeling, the photographer is a professor at a respected college here, and well, while I have no shame, I know they don't want their names being dragged through the mud, among other things, such as time and financial considerations. I missed multiple agency jobs my last court date alone, almost causing me my local agency contract, which would be financially devastating.

Well, you could always relocate to California..we adore our non Felons who save orphans from burning buildings and rescue nuns from forrest fires while saving warm fuzzy puppies from evil angry bees and making old people happy with homemade pies.

cinema photography wrote:

Well, you could always relocate to California..we adore our Felons!

Misdemeanor!!!!!! I are not a felon!!! Watch Google cache this part of the thread to display BRENNAN is a felon.

B R E N N A N wrote:
Misdemeanor!!!!!! I are not a felon!!! Watch Google cache this part of the thread to display BRENNAN is a felon.

*Googles "BRENNAN modelmayhem is a felon"*

B R E N N A N wrote:

Why, spank you!

Promises - promises!

cinema photography wrote:

Well, you could always relocate to California..we adore our non Felons who save orphans from burning buildings and rescue nuns from forest fires while saving warm fuzzy puppies from evil angry bees and making old people happy with homemade pies.

fixed that!

B R E N N A N wrote:
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A PJC cannot be expunged either. I can just hope it doesn't affect any future employment options

It wont.  Dont sweat it.

Most emplyment applications only ask if for felonies.  Its important you dont exclude it though so if an application asks "have you been convicted of any crimes"- just list ... misdemeanor tresspasssing- was hiking with friends- we wandered on someone's property on accident- owner was very strict, etc

If anything it gives you a good story to talk to on an interview.

Gary Melton wrote:
People...get a grip!

It was PRIVATE property, not public.  Private property owners (even all of you, if you own property) have the right to keep people off of their land.

It evidently was a contruction site...meaning that they had to have liability insurance.  The insurance policy most likely very strictly stipulates that NO ONE THAT ISN'T AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IS ALLOWED ON THE SITE.  If they don't enforce the no trespassing, their policy premiums would probably go up steeply.

The OP mentioned that LOTS OF PEOPLE had been using the site (which means they were all trespassing) - so the owners probably felt very strongly about stemming the tide.

Hey - I love shooting in great, interesting places as much as the next person...but trespassing on private property IS illegal.  Get permission if you can, or don't do it...or if you do it without permission, realize that you are gambling on getting arrested, tried and convicted of a crime.

A key part of the fabric of this country has ALWAYS been the protection of private property rights...a tradition that the great majority of this country would definitely like to see continued.

What more do you want to do? She's been convicted and will have to deal with this conviction forever. Is it wrong for her to come here and give us a bit of a heads up that we need to be diligent about staying off private property?

I live on a lake and have to deal with trespassers on a regular basis, but I don't believe that calling the cops on them is the right way to go unless they refuse to leave, keep coming back, vandalize my property, or something else beyond just being there.

Svetlana Muerte wrote:
Thank you for the warning about NC. Notice once every 200 yards? Wow.

Makes me wonder what the property owner is up to that he/she is so concerned about some art happening....

He was probably standing lookout while some "shenanigans" were going on...this IS the South we are talking about.