AJScalzitti wrote:

Damn and here I thought this moronic thread would die, anyone have a wooden stake...

Come back Buffy, all is forgiven.

Sarah Thiessen wrote:
in my own personal opinion and experiences, one bad photo can ruin a whole crew of opportunities.. one leak of that embarassing shot, that you stuck it out through juuust for a small pay cheque that you could have gotten another way to NOT ruin your reputation, it just seems less risky, to say no regardless... however being that this photographer may be extremely experienced, and possibly admirable, i would say its a win win win for the model here.. given the fantastic guaranteed photos, the experienced photographer you can trust ( or hope to) and possibly money to come out the other end as well if your photos turn out successful! besides, i hear theres lots of money in nudes i think given the right circumstances, almost any model would say yes to a nude or implied at some point due to creative expression, being a woman, embracing yoru inner self, and boosting your confidence in the meantime.. it may even just make that model 10 times more comfortable because all baracades are down and your most vulnerable.. if you can perform well this way, i think thats a stepping stone to being a fantastic model, regardless if pursue the nude end of things.

There is NOT "lots of money in nudes" as a rule.  It makes it more likely for a model to get paid, in general, but there is no pot of gold, just a bit of cash, in a few cases, enough to live modestly.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
If you are a model who doesn't do nudes, is this non negotiable or ... do you have a price?   The details of this question would be if a photographer of the quality that you admire were to offer you any amount of money (within reason), is there a dollar amount that would get you to change your mind? 

The reason for this question is that another photographer and I were discussing if models were absolutely "non-negotiable" on nudity or if there are some that could be persuaded with the right amount of money?

Some say "Will go nude ONLY for Playboy" for example.  If you are absolutely "non-negotiable" could you please elaborate on why?  I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm curious to learn more about just how negotiable some models are. Discuss!

not for me, as im a Childcare Worker. I rather not loose my main career

Reizvoll wrote:

not for me, as im a Childcare Worker. I rather not loose my main career

I sure hope you're not teaching.

Kaia Murphy wrote:
I can only speak from personal experience, and that's exactly what I intend to do.

On the left side of my profile, it says "No" to shooting nudes. However, I have done nude shoots, and I am willing to do them again if I like the particular photographer's work (specifically his/her nude work). I have now addressed that contradiction in my "About Me" section on my profile. It's in the first paragraph actually.

I've discussed the Yes/No issue with photographers one-on-one, and have been advised that it's probably best to leave it "No," and let individual photographers bring up the idea of doing nudes if that's what he/she wants to do.

I've also had photographers advise me against changing my status on it because a "Yes" response has a tendency to attract GWCs. I realize it's the opinion of a few select photographers, but I'm in agreement with them.

I initially had it as "Yes," and I was indeed contacted by GWCs. I might change it back if I decide somewhere along the line that I want to focus on nude modeling. For the time being, however, I will continue to leave a "No" answer for whether or not I shoot nudes.

Does any of that makes sense? I hope so.

Agreed!

Neil Snape wrote:

That is very low. Almost criminal.  Doing nudes has to be a thing of confidence in each other.

I have shot nudes that will never be published or shared unless the model says they want to. It's just like that with me. And, I also have respect for those who don't want to do nudes. Yet whatever you do , do it well and with conviction, and everyone will win.

Shame on that disgusting photographer!

Sadly not everyone has this level of respect for other human beings. A person's nudity is very, well personal, there are some things that should just be held in higher respect. Yet not everyone gets that point. It makes life very frustrating to have to constantly be in fear of coming across these kinds of crazy/disrespectful people.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
If you are a model who doesn't do nudes, is this non negotiable or ... do you have a price?   The details of this question would be if a photographer of the quality that you admire were to offer you any amount of money (within reason), is there a dollar amount that would get you to change your mind? 

The reason for this question is that another photographer and I were discussing if models were absolutely "non-negotiable" on nudity or if there are some that could be persuaded with the right amount of money?

Some say "Will go nude ONLY for Playboy" for example.  If you are absolutely "non-negotiable" could you please elaborate on why?  I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm curious to learn more about just how negotiable some models are. Discuss!

These type of threads have nudged me over to doing nudes. Guess it didn't take long but, I do feel like I am very lucky with who I have shot my nudes with!

ki era wrote:
I think sadly that men in general who also make up most of the photographers who want to shoot nudes do not care about other people's futures or feelings enough to accept a simple no and not be pushy. This is comparable to alot of areas of life where men "coerce" women/girls into doing things they do not want to do simply for their own gain.
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In other words men are selfish they simply do not care how they get what they want or how them getting what they want hurts you as a person. As long as they get what they want they are happy.

Hi, What you express here sounds more like human trafficking than modeling. Yikes.

Jen-Gennaver

Kevin Alex Photography wrote:
OK, I'm off topic. I'm out.

Was this a drive by? A hit n run?

Myrna Byrna wrote:

Was this a drive by? A hit n run?

Sorry, I caught the blog during work and threw in my 2 cents between what I'm suppose to be doing. LOL

Images by MR wrote:
I don't understand the need to try and persuaded a model who doesn't wish to shoot nudes to shoot nudes.  I mean aren't their enough models on MM willing to do nudes either for tf or paid ?/

Just my thoughts ~ MR

Pressuring models to go above and beyond (both in front of the camera and elsewhere) is SOP for many photographers.

I'm not good, charismatic, attractive, or rich enough to get away with that.

Images by MR wrote:
I don't understand the need to try and persuaded a model who doesn't wish to shoot nudes to shoot nudes.  I mean aren't their enough models on MM willing to do nudes either for tf or paid ?/

Just my thoughts ~ MR

........ + 1.

Charlottte wrote:
Nudes are completely off limits to me. I've seen a small handful of photographers that can pull off nudity with complete dignity and it is beautiful. But there is a lot of amateur photography on here, which is girls getting their tits and bits out for no reason apart from the fact they can.

Personally, I think getting naked is a very personal thing, and something I share only with my partner. I couldn't imagine doing that, or even being that comfortable with anyone, let alone a photographer.

....Also, isn't it better to leave something a mystery rather than having it all out for the world to see?

Charlotte

www.facebook.com/CharlottteModel

Hi Charlotte,

I agree, it is a very personal thing. I also agree that there are a lot of reasons people do nude, (maybe they do like the thrill of tits and bits...for both model and photographer.)

I also agree that leaving something a mystery is nice yet, clothing is not necessarily what gives the mystery.

Since I am very new to nudes, (since the end of this July) I am also very biased in the photographer's styles that I've been lucky to work with. I think they've done an amazing work and my port here is only of them. If you take a look, please consider the credit is to their talent and art.

Jen
Couple more shots in my new fb page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gennaver/ … 2953780051

edit: okay, okay, I really need to leave this thread now. it has wooes me and I've already said that the reason my main profile has 'no' clicked it because it didn't leave me the option to leave it blank and now I have this profile. Thanks y'all. It seems that everyone is pretty respectful of each other's choices. Nice.

ki era wrote:
I think sadly that men in general who also make up most of the photographers who want to shoot nudes do not care about other people's futures or feelings enough to accept a simple no and not be pushy. This is comparable to alot of areas of life where men "coerce" women/girls into doing things they do not want to do simply for their own gain.

In other words men are selfish they simply do not care how they get what they want or how them getting what they want hurts you as a person. As long as they get what they want they are happy.

And that is why fathers never trust any man to take their daughters on a date etc.. because men know what other men are truly like. The same is true of men even in job settings like modelling. If they can bribe you to do it then they are happy. If you then get emotionally distraught, lose your job over it, or lose future modelling opportunities over it as far as they're concerned it doesn't matter one bit cuz woohoo they got to shoot a woman naked in the name of "art".

Sadly that is the world we live in, people are selfish and they will lie, coerce, cheat and steal to get their way.

In other words photographers will never learn to simply take no as an answer, they will always try to "talk/bribe/guilt you into doing it" no matter what your concerns are and no matter how many examples of these decisions hurting other girls you bring up. It's called "lack of empathy" and until men get more of it the world will always be a dangerous place.

I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences with males.  There are men who feel the same way, in general, about women.  They think women can never be trusted and are always looking to take advantage of them.  Wish I had an answer.

Harley Ginger wrote:
My nudity policy is non-negotiable. My reasoning is that I feel if I wouldn't show my family my photos, I shouldn't be doing them. I'm also happily married so I feel that the only person who should see me naked is my husband. Also, one of the reasons I started modeling is show people that you don't have to wear a g-string and pasties or go nude to be sexy. I do have an appreciation for artistic nudes, but they're just not for me. I'm trying to help bring back an appreciation for classic, vintage glamour

I rarely aim for sexy with nudes, and I've never shot a model in "g string and pasties."  With the right model and photographer, nudes can be beautiful.  But I'm happy to respect the choices of those who don't want to shoot them.  I do ask that they respect my choice, and that of the models I work with.

Art of the nude wrote:
I have no interest in convincing, or bribing, someone.  I also know that for whatever reason, some models who are comfortable with the idea of shooting nudes don't say so publicly.  So, I've asked.  Usually along the lines of "this is what I do, if it interests you, let me know." 
Last time I checked, 1/3 of my portfolio was models whose profiles said no to nudes at the time we shot.

I totally understand that sometimes a model will check no nudes, but be open to it and also understand why checking with an interesting model would be a good idea.

What I don't get is the notion that every model needs to be persuades to get naked, in the minds of some, to the point that they're scheming about new ways to apply pressure.  Or continuing to pursue a model after she's said she's not interested (whether temporarily or permanently.) When there are thousands of models that don't need pressure and bribing.

I've never understood that.

Saedcantas wrote:
When there are soooooooo very many willing, capable and liberated nude models, who even needs to worry about the ladies that won't or why?

Ding ding ding DING !

ki era wrote:
I think sadly that men in general who also make up most of the photographers who want to shoot nudes do not care about other people's futures or feelings enough to accept a simple no and not be pushy. This is comparable to alot of areas of life where men "coerce" women/girls into doing things they do not want to do simply for their own gain.

In other words men are selfish they simply do not care how they get what they want or how them getting what they want hurts you as a person. As long as they get what they want they are happy.

And that is why fathers never trust any man to take their daughters on a date etc.. because men know what other men are truly like. The same is true of men even in job settings like modelling. If they can bribe you to do it then they are happy. If you then get emotionally distraught, lose your job over it, or lose future modelling opportunities over it as far as they're concerned it doesn't matter one bit cuz woohoo they got to shoot a woman naked in the name of "art".

Sadly that is the world we live in, people are selfish and they will lie, coerce, cheat and steal to get their way.

In other words photographers will never learn to simply take no as an answer, they will always try to "talk/bribe/guilt you into doing it" no matter what your concerns are and no matter how many examples of these decisions hurting other girls you bring up. It's called "lack of empathy" and until men get more of it the world will always be a dangerous place.

Wow, hate men much?

Patrick Walberg wrote:
If you are a model who doesn't do nudes, is this non negotiable or ... do you have a price?   The details of this question would be if a photographer of the quality that you admire were to offer you any amount of money (within reason), is there a dollar amount that would get you to change your mind? 

The reason for this question is that another photographer and I were discussing if models were absolutely "non-negotiable" on nudity or if there are some that could be persuaded with the right amount of money?

Some say "Will go nude ONLY for Playboy" for example.  If you are absolutely "non-negotiable" could you please elaborate on why?  I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm curious to learn more about just how negotiable some models are. Discuss!

Models who don't do nudes may have many reasons, including but not limited to, future career ramifications.  If they plan to become news reporter or anchor or run for public office one day, these nudes photos might be a career killer.  Others may be concerned about family and friends.  In any case, trying to persuade someone to do nudes doesn't seem necessary.  But some are probably in need of money and can be persuaded, but as a photographer, I wouldn't try to persuade anybody.  Just find models who would.

Lucy Mariela wrote:
There could be many reasons why a model doesn't do nudes.
A) They're not exactly comfortable in their own skin.
B) They're uncomfortable being naked in front of a stranger.
C) A former photographer tried to go out of their way to touch a model inappropriately. (Like me for instance)
Etc.

Its wrong for a photographer to bribe a model to do a nude shoot. Also its very unprofessional. Its greedy & selfish of someone to do that. Photographers should respect models in their wishes. If they don't want to do nude, they don't want to do nude. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. Leave them alone and find a model who is interested in doing a nude shoot.

I agree with the last bit you said, but Your "C" option really doesn't make sense to me.

A douche bag photographer that is going to try and "touch" you as a model inappropriately. You do not have to be nude for that. I don't understand how clothing protects you from inappropriate conduct?
I have never understood that logic.

As for the "bribe" part.

Hey, money talks.