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OP: Those of you that hire models, I have a question. All of my work has been TF. I'm at the point where I am being offered paid work, however my port is still quite small. My question is when paying for work from a model, I'd assume that no photos would be traded. Or does this depend on situation? Edit: I am not looking for new photos, if I wanted new photos I would be trading with folks I'm familiar working with. This question is posed at new people who I have no prior work experience with. And to reiterate, the question is posed for people approaching me, not the other way around. The coin toss is I may benefit from the photos, who knows, that was the point in saying my port is small. However after looking at the port of the person in question, I don't know if it's worth my time negotiating prior to seeing the finished product. From what I'm gathering the photos are the method of payment for trades, and currency is also a method of payment, but rarely you get both. Thanks. This isn't a rant, this isn't trying to eat my cake, this is a simple question from a model transitioning from trades to paid assignments. Oct 04 12 10:34 am Link you can ask and adjust your fee. Depends on the purpose of the shoot Oct 04 12 10:35 am Link It will depend on the reason for the shoot and to a large extent on the photographer. Some of us are really nice people. If I can help one of my ladies I will let her have a selection of the images if she askes nicely and if the images are suitable for her portfolio. I suppose the fact that I am not a pro does make a difference, I am not making a living from my studio. Ask nicely and give a good credit to the studio and photographer, they can only say no. The other alternative would be on your next visit to the UK pay ne a visit!! Oct 04 12 10:45 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: Paid = no photos (however some photographers may give a few but don't expect it) Oct 04 12 10:50 am Link Unless the model is a complete arse, I'll usually 'gift' a couple of the good images from a pay-shoot, even though I make it very clear that they shouldn't expect any at all - that way I come across as a nice guy...  Oct 04 12 10:53 am Link AND . . . there are situations where you can work for a lower rate and still get copies of the photos . . . . never hurts to ask Oct 04 12 10:54 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: It depends entirely on the photographer and the circumstances. Oct 04 12 10:56 am Link You can simply ask the photographer during the time of being selected. If you're hired for a paid shoot, the photographer doesn't have to give you anything but your agreed payment. Analogy: If you were hired to cut someone's lawn, would you expect the right to bbq on it? But again, it's as simple as asking. Most photographers will gladly give you print/prints. But keep in mind, your option of which images you get from said shoot will be up to the photographer to release to you. As well as the photographers control of where you may use them. Just ask. OH, and one more thing. If a photographer is nice enough to give you prints from the shoot, do NOT think practicing your photoshop skills on them is ok. We hate that. LOL Oct 04 12 10:56 am Link The problem with negotiating, is possibly not liking the images. I've done a couple TF shoots where I didn't like anything. Sounds like it's standard to not receive photos for paid shoots that's all I'm asking. Thanks all Oct 04 12 11:28 am Link Ken Marcus Studios wrote: + wisdom Oct 04 12 11:36 am Link I often propose half TF?? and half pay when I'm working with top level professional models. They check out my portfolio and see that I tend to produce unique photo concepts that they'd find useful. Often, they'll being up a concept for us to include before we start shooting and I make it a point to include their requests. I think that getting some pay and some photos will be very useful to you while you're still building your portfolio. Just be sure that your needs are addressed at the session, The money and photos are both pay that you're entitled to, if you've lowered your fee to gain the photos. Oct 04 12 11:39 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: Alivia, Oct 04 12 11:42 am Link DougBPhoto wrote: touche Oct 04 12 11:45 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: You need to have a conversation with your photographers!! We are all human and as far as I can tell (Models and Photogs) can not read minds! I don't want to be harsh, but the art of Conversation must not die! Oct 04 12 11:49 am Link Images and pay are both forms fo compensation. They can be exclusive of each other, but they don't need be. Photographers will vary. Sometimes, their intended use may mean they can't give you photos. You just need to ask or negotiate as appropriate. I personally prefer to offer compensation that includes pay and images since I have the images anyways. Oct 04 12 11:51 am Link I think that availability of photos on a paid shoot depends on the intended market, the individual photographer and any number of other factors. That said, you probably shouldn't expect photos, if you are being paid. Oct 04 12 11:59 am Link My guess would be that if the model is fun, appreciative, helpful and professional most photographers would be able to come up with a picture or two, often without being asked. But if she is demanding, lazy and diva-ish, it ain't gonna happen. Oct 04 12 06:47 pm Link If their work can better your portfolio, TF with them. If not, they pay you or you don't shoot. If you get photos from a paid shoot, win win, but it's at the discretion of the photographer. Oct 04 12 07:26 pm Link Alivia Autumn wrote: You can offer money, and your efforts / release. The photographer can offer money and their efforts / license / rights. Any combination you agree to is fine, as long as you both agree. Oct 04 12 07:52 pm Link There's a wide range of paid shoots. Photographers pay models sometimes, because they have a client they know will pay for certain shots. Photographers sometimes pay models when they have an idea for a shoot and need a specific look they need. I pay models (sometimes) because I live so damn far from anywhere, it's the only way to get someone to shoot. Most people can't afford to pay someone else unless they are getting paid. There is value in having better pics in your port for both photographers and models, so, TF exists so we all can get better pics for our ports. It doesn't have to always be about money, even though it does make the world go around. Oct 04 12 07:55 pm Link Nothing is "standard". Oct 04 12 07:58 pm Link Alivia Autumn wrote: Officially, no. But if you ask nicely and you're fun/easy to work with OR the photographer is a really nice guy, then you significantly increase your chance of getting a few edits. Oct 04 12 08:24 pm Link If there's any doubt in your mind that the photos will be useable in your portfolio, don't trade or negotiate your rates for them. If you like their work but don't necessarily NEED it, or can't justify doing the shoot without any compensation (they're really far away, you have to put a lot of money into making the shoot happen, you have to skip work/school for the shoot, etc) then negotiate maybe. If you really want their images, trade Oct 04 12 10:53 pm Link This is just me personally.. When I pay, it's usually because I need free reign to sell the photos and having exclusivity over them usually makes that possible. That said, I'm usually negotiable.. but not on the photos I plan to sell. For example.. I might trade with a model "I shoot this set for me to sell, that set for you" -- But she most likely won't be paid. Honestly.. one of the biggest advantages to paying a model is not having to provide any photos. For me anyways.. Oct 04 12 11:09 pm Link Ask the photographer. The worst he can say is "no," but you might just be surprised by some of them saying "yes." Oct 04 12 11:12 pm Link More condensed version: I used to art model for 5 yrs.. I got to say for about 95% of my paid shoots I got images. I never asked for them, I never neg. my rates down for them ... I was just told "oh and by the way, what ever images I finish/pick Ill send to you to see/use for ure portfolio.. to which I said "many thanks " Oct 04 12 11:39 pm Link Alivia Autumn wrote: Depends on the work/ photographer / contract involved determines what is in the model release, some is just pay,,some pay and images some just images.(sometimes all images must to the client, no one but them, can use the work...) Oct 04 12 11:51 pm Link Alivia Autumn wrote: For "Paid assignments only" models, I have done a part trade thing a bunch of times. So, just negotiate. Oct 05 12 02:59 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: Depends. Oct 05 12 03:10 am Link I give retouched photos anyways as a goodwill gesture even when hiring models, both to the model & H/MUA. Oct 05 12 03:39 am Link Ken Marcus Studios wrote: This makes the most sense. Oct 05 12 04:17 am Link Isis22 wrote: I will only pay for nudes from MM models. Oct 05 12 04:27 am Link You know, YOU could pay a photographer. Oct 05 12 04:58 am Link Why would I pay a photographer? Not what the OP is asking. Furthermore thanks to those who gave sound advice. Oct 05 12 08:48 am Link Don't ever use a photographer's images without permission. I pay models. I also tell models that they can right-click on any of the images that I post on my website for use in their online portfolios only -- I ask for proper accreditation. Some (most?) photographers don't do this, but it doesn't cost me anything, and my images in a model's portfolio doesn't compete with me, so why not? Models seem to appreciate it. The difference is that if I was doing a TF* session, I'd be partially concerned in creating images that would please the model. If I am paying the model, I am only concerned with creating images that please me, and if the model is also pleased, that's just a happy coincidence. Oct 05 12 09:01 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: I think she may have been implying that because your OP mentioned about your port being small. If your port is too small, then TF and you paying a photographer would be good options. Oct 05 12 09:01 am Link If a model or production team member is charging me for their services, I do not offer image choices as I would when shooting on a tradework basis. However, as a courtesy and for networking purposes, I offer images that I am retouching for my own present or future use, and of course any tears. Oct 05 12 09:07 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: Works both ways. Oct 05 12 11:16 am Link Alivia Autumn wrote: And nobody is touching that???? Oct 05 12 11:20 am Link Herman Surkis wrote: Why would they, paying someone is irrelevant to the OP. Oct 05 12 11:20 am Link |
