MoRina wrote:
Response:  "in order to stay classy, one must attain the level first."

LOL... well said

MoRina wrote:
Response:  "in order to stay classy, one must attain the level first."

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
OP...Trust me...It is not her.

After closer examination I must say... again... Well said.

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
OP...Trust me...It is not her.

OP wasn't asking for a critique, The OP was saying how much he appreciates the models who reject him in a pleasant way instead of being rude. I'm quite certain he is fully aware he is not everything to everyone, just like you probably aren't either.

A valid comment since people find it next to impossible to be polite when they are hiding behind a computer screen. Your comment and others on this thread is a perfect example.

Ivanafox wrote:

OP wasn't asking for a critique, The OP was saying how much he appreciates the models who reject him in a pleasant way instead of being rude. I'm quite certain he is fully aware he is not everything to everyone, just like you probably aren't either.

A valid comment since people find it next to impossible to be polite when they are hiding behind a computer screen. Your comment and others on this thread is a perfect example.

+10

Gives weight to some recent headlines stating that studies have found internet discussion forums are being linked to higher rates of obesity, depression, and lack of tact found in today's society.

MoRina wrote:
Response:  "in order to stay classy, one must attain the level first."

MoRina wrote:
Response:  "in order to stay classy, one must attain the level first."

Well said.

M A S T E R S wrote:

+10

Gives weight to some recent headlines stating that studies have found internet discussion forums are being linked to higher rates of obesity, depression, and lack of tact found in today's society.

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
OP...Trust me...It is not her.

I am thinking this too.

The OP is all miffed because someone looked at his work and found it "not classy".  So what?  The model responded with the truth as SHE saw it.  I will not state if I agree or not as that would be a critique.  I will say that i have personally learned a lot from people who are direct and don't mince words.  That does not make them Rude.

DMesser Photography wrote:
Most of the models I contact either want to shoot with me, or give a nice response such as "Thank you for the compliment and request to shoot, but i'm not ready to shoot your style at this time".  Or something like this.  But, once in a while I get a response from a girl who says "NO THANK YOU, I WANT TO STAY CLASSY".   She is 5'4" and wants to shoot high fashion, but also puts in her details that she will shoot lingerie, swimsuit, erotic and body paint among other genres.  I thank you ladies who give a pleasant response whether it is yes, i want to shoot or no thank you.  I really appreciate you.  I know your not all going to say yes. 

Don

She will implode her own reputation, they always do...

David Hyne wrote:
Had one model say "Sorry, but nothing in your portfolio 'speaks' to me".  Which i thought was a nice way to say she wanted to stay classy. And you know what? As my portfolio increases in class at its slow but steady rate, i reckon ill be working with her in about 2 years. Maybe 3.  :-)

A little bit of pleasentness keep options open in the future.

I don't think of it as lack of "class".  I think of it as they don't see enough creativity.  Well, part of that may be due to who one is working with at the time.  Another part may be what they were trying to accomplish.  If they don't see it, they don't see it, but I do think it's rude to say one wants to "stay classy".

  Maybe these people are turned off by nudity (if there is any in one's portfolio) and anyone who shoots them is "classless" in their opinion.  People are funny.  People here on MM are even funnier.

  I saw a casting call from a model looking for a TF maternity shoot.  I sent her a message.  She replied by saying that my pictures weren't good enough for her.  If I wanted to shoot with her anyway, I would have to pay her $200 an hour with a 2 hour minimum.  Needless to say, we didn't shoot.  Maybe my pictures weren't good enough at that time ... maybe they still aren't.  It doesn't mean I have no class, though.  I'd prefer to think of it as I lack equipment, experience and/or a creative eye that matches hers enough for us to work together..

Eclectic Vision  wrote:

haha in love with this

Augustine York wrote:
Hey she said "no thank you" right? ;P

That is much better than the impolite messages I have received from some models.

David Hirsh wrote:
This is not a critique, but an observation: it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to wonder what relevance there is being a nudist and giving women MASSAGE (your caps) for 12 years has to do with shooting photos.

You also go on to discuss the delight of models taking bubble baths while you shoot, and them "almost forgetting" they are supposed to be posing.

All this is fine, of course (and you certainly have the right to let the world know anything you want to). I am not suggesting you have anything other than the most honorable intentions.

However, as I mentioned, it seems to me that the info you have decided was appropriate for your profile could mistakenly be looked at as red flag material. You may want to try to redo it and see if you are 'judged' differently.

Just to add- You might want to make sure the messages you send to models don't push onto the side of inappropriate. Describing what you want to shoot is great as long as the details are of a professional nature and not awkward or uncomfortable.

DMesser Photography wrote:
Most of the models I contact either want to shoot with me, or give a nice response such as "Thank you for the compliment and request to shoot, but i'm not ready to shoot your style at this time".  Or something like this.  But, once in a while I get a response from a girl who says "NO THANK YOU, I WANT TO STAY CLASSY".   She is 5'4" and wants to shoot high fashion, but also puts in her details that she will shoot lingerie, swimsuit, erotic and body paint among other genres.  I thank you ladies who give a pleasant response whether it is yes, i want to shoot or no thank you.  I really appreciate you.  I know your not all going to say yes. 

Don

She wasn't rude.  She said "No thank you" and told you why.  Don't let your feelings get hurt just because she's being honest with you about how she feels.  Better in my  opinion than beating around the bush and giving you some sappy ridiculous sounding reason why she doesn't want to shoot with you.   She doesn't find your work "classy"?  Big deal.  Find another model.  That simple.

Perhaps it would be smarter to ask the model specifically what makes your work in her opinion "less-than-classy", so you can better market towards a broader model demographic if and when you choose.

No response = not rude and equals "no"

Her response = not rude

"I don't want to shoot because you freaking suck!!!" = rude and immature... she/he would be doing you a favor by not shooting with you.

"I'm not up for shooting because your photography doesn't fit me in the way I'd like to be portrayed" = not rude and is basically the long version of what she told you.

Being a photographer you're going to at one point or another get at least one rude comment.  Big deal.  You're not in first grade.  Forget it.  I probably would've forgot what she said 20 minutes after reading it as I would've already been sorting through other possible models to shoot.

Sticks and stones may break my bones.....    you know the rest.  Apply it. 

G Images wrote:

That is much better than the impolite messages I have received from some models.

Hard to believe someone could be rude to you.  You are one of the good ones!

Jessie Shannon wrote:

L Bass wrote:

i just wouldn't of responded at all to her or maybe even blocked her. Why even bother to start/continue a dialog with a rude.unprofessional person. You already know all you need to know about her! Next!

..but, I do like this quote too;)

DMesser Photography wrote:
Most of the models I contact either want to shoot with me, or give a nice response such as "Thank you for the compliment and request to shoot, but i'm not ready to shoot your style at this time".  Or something like this.  But, once in a while I get a response from a girl who says "NO THANK YOU, I WANT TO STAY CLASSY".   She is 5'4" and wants to shoot high fashion, but also puts in her details that she will shoot lingerie, swimsuit, erotic and body paint among other genres.  I thank you ladies who give a pleasant response whether it is yes, i want to shoot or no thank you.  I really appreciate you.  I know your not all going to say yes. 

Don

That's awesome!

But then let's go on a thread where a model asks to change paperwork, bring an escort, bring a friend/escort unannounced, etc and we will get a bunch of "NO", "NEXT", and other rude things.

But OMG it's a big deal of a model does that to us!



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