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Glamour modeling... right for me? :)
(I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the "critique" forum, so mods, please move it if there's a problem!) Alright, so I'm toying with the idea of really getting into glamour modeling. It's something that I've been secretly (or not-so-secretly) curious about for a while, but let's be honest: I'm a little bit of a 'fraidy-cat, for pretty much no good reason.  I want to mention that I am completely inspired by--and, yes, completely jealous of--the work of beautiful models like Amelia Talon and Jessica Vaugn (I REALLY hope I'm spelling that right!), as well as the Victoria's Secret angels, of course. (No, this isn't one of those "How can I be a VS model at 5'5 threads; never fear! ) I went ahead and read a loooot of MM threads on this, including this one: https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=299122 These threads explained a lot, but I am still wondering about a few things, as they pertain to me personally. My first, and biggest, question is this: Is there any room for actual professional advancement in the glamour industry for a model who doesn't want to show "pink"? I personally do not wish to show this, though I do think that well-done glamour photos involving "pink" are usually quite beautiful. As an aside, I've been told over and over again, since I turned 18, that I'm perfect for "tease"-style glamour. Is that a thing? I assume (rightly or wrongly) that "tease" doesn't involve actual "pink" exposure. My second question is this: I'm open to doing a lot of original photography in my pointe shoes. (I've been a dancer pretty much my entire life.) I assume that this falls more into the "fetish" category, does it not? Am I right in assuming that it can also be incorporated into glamour? So many other things are, as far as I can see, which is why I wonder. My third question is this, and I really am not trying to be rude or snarky. I'm genuinely unsure of the answer: What are the lines that differentiates glamour from fetish, or glamour from porn? What about bikini from glamour? (Is there even a line for that last one?  ) I know that they can all blend together, and that the lines, if there, are thin, but I'd still like to know what they are. I guess that's basically it, for now. Thanks for reading... and please be gentle! Jan 30 13 07:34 am Link You definitely have the look for glamour. I am not sure what you mean by advancement in the industry. I am uncertain of the situation in Israel. You need to take some time and decide what your goals are and where you want your images to be and where you draw your line of what you want to do in your life. When people mention fetish they aren't normally talking about dance. That would be more of a specialty. I think of fetish as being foot, leather, bondage, etc. I could be wrong. What are the lines that differentiates glamour from fetish, or glamour from porn? What about bikini from glamour? Glamour means you are glamorous. It has to be with a certain look of a girl and a certain style. It usually infers being sexy even though I don't think it would have too by definition. Jan 30 13 07:38 am Link LMG Images wrote: Thanks; I really don't know much about the whole "fetish" thing. I've just heard that pointe shoes are a big fetish for a lot of people, and honestly, I'm pretty cool with that. Jan 30 13 07:49 am Link You know being in magazines does not always pay well. It can open the doors though. If you want to get published, I would recommend targeting photographers that regularly get published in the magazines you want to be in. Pointe shoes are a fetish. I googled it. Jan 30 13 07:53 am Link LMG Images wrote: Yeah, I'm really into the idea of getting the exposure, for opening doors, and also because, let's face it, I can be a little narcissistic. xD Jan 30 13 08:10 am Link OH! Also, yes. I know that being in a magazine actually probably means that you were pretty woefully UNDERPAID, having been there once or twice myself. Jan 30 13 08:12 am Link I think LMG's pretty much spot on. Glamour is a playful tease while often leaving a little to the imagination, porn is a direct and open (pun intended) arousal, and fetish caters to specialty arousals. What the market's like over in Israel for foot fetishes, I don't know, but it's probably the most well known fetish here in North America, so chances are, if you're going to make it as a fetish model, that would be a good one to start with. Being a ballerina and having that kind of leg & foot control is just a bonus. Of course, if you find yourself on this side of the world and want someone to do a glamour shoot with, please, let me know! I think you'd be fantastic at it. Heck, even if you want to do a fetish shoot. I haven't done a fetish shoot yet, but I'll try anything twice. Jan 30 13 09:29 am Link I'm not big into the idea of fetish, just so everyone knows; the pointe shoe thing is just an option that I know I can bring to the table. I'm really more into pure "tease" glamour, to tell the truth. Incidentally, I'd love to hear from a few experienced glamour models. O:-) Jan 30 13 09:39 am Link i'm not an experienced glamour llama. nor do i play one on tv. in the US nude llamas travel the country and get paid by photographers. one that i hired when i got started here now has an agent and apparently can command between $150-$400/hour. many of these llamas say "classy nudes" although some will do penthouse or even hustler style (but often at a higher rate). some get hired for workshops and some work conventions like glamourcon. around here some of the strippers get webcams and do things like zivity to promote their webcams (and web sites). i bought a playboy and a penthouse a while back and while penthouse was definitely raunchier i was surprised by leg spreads and tattoos in playboy. i think what constitutes porn is in the eye of the beholder. same with art. we all draw the line differently. most of my nude llamas have been "easy on the hooha" but some are hooha-friendly and will just put it out there. a popular zivity photographer came through town recently and apparently in addition to his zivity sets he shoots for penthouse. so maybe you need to meet the right photographers. regarding fetish check out fetlife. fetish can get pretty wild. Jan 30 13 09:57 am Link I just realized that "pink" isn't as inclusive as I thought previously, when I posted. I basically meant that this: http://media.victoriassecret.com/featur … eature.jpg kind of exposure would basically be my limit. I understand that this changes a lot of things. Jan 30 13 11:10 am Link Rachel-Elise wrote: That's not glamour. That's Erotica (or porn depending on who you ask). Unless you mean a pink swimsuit. Rachel-Elise wrote: I don't consider ballerina-style dancing shots to be anything remotely Fetish. Unless someone has a fetish for pointy shoes and leotards. Which, I'm sure is out there. Rachel-Elise wrote: A model posing in a bikini...glamour. A model posing in a bikini made out of a cloth diaper? Fetish. A model posing in a bikini made out of a diaper performing a Bukake scene with 7 dudes? Porn. A model doing all of the above in B&W? Art. A model doing all of the above and shot by Terry Richardson? High Fashion. Jan 30 13 11:19 am Link I'll send you a link tomorrow Raych with a load of beautiful examples that I think are exactly where you are at - and I would love to do with you. Jan 30 13 12:36 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: Rachel-Elise wrote: That's not glamour. That's Erotica (or porn depending on who you ask). Unless you mean a pink swimsuit. Rachel-Elise wrote: I don't consider ballerina-style dancing shots to be anything remotely Fetish. Unless someone has a fetish for pointy shoes and leotards. Which, I'm sure is out there. Perfect!... Jan 30 13 12:43 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: Jan 30 13 02:17 pm Link Stan Rudnick wrote: Thanks! :-D Jan 30 13 02:18 pm Link Rachel-Elise wrote: If you got the goods the consumers want, there wouldn't be any hindrance to your success. Jan 30 13 02:20 pm Link Rachel-Elise wrote: Glad you posted this clarification. "Pink" actually refers to spread labia and the pink color therein. Jan 30 13 02:29 pm Link Toto Photo wrote: Yeah, that's what I've found out within the past few hours. Jan 30 13 02:38 pm Link My understanding is that it's tough to make money shooting glamour unless you're willing to get naked. Jan 30 13 03:59 pm Link May S wrote: It would be easier to get a start by being willing to get naked, but it's not required. There is quite a bit of glamour photography out there, and even quite a bit of boudoir with outfits that aren't any more revealing than bikinis. You don't to take it all off to be sexy, and in many cases not taking it all off is sexier than revealing it, if you take my meaning. Jan 30 13 04:05 pm Link May S wrote: I'm guessing you are not proficient in the art of making an omelette without breaking eggs either? Jan 30 13 04:12 pm Link I've tagged your best look.. keep that up. Classy n so sexy... Jan 30 13 05:03 pm Link Rachel-Elise wrote: You are gorgeous, and could be sexy as hell. The question is, can you be totally comfortable shooting that sort of stuff? I'm not saying you can't, certainly, but it's really important for good, classy, results. And it's your call. Jan 30 13 06:52 pm Link Short answer is glamor modeling is right for you. You have the look. You don't have to show pink. Jan 30 13 07:01 pm Link The F-Stop wrote: Thanks! I value all the opinions I can get right now. Jan 31 13 01:05 am Link Alright everyone, thanks for helping me out. Now..... honestly. I'm REALLY new to this whole scene, so to speak... once I've branched out and made the images, well... what, specifically, can I do with them? :-P I thought maybe we'd start with some smaller magazine submissions, just to get my feet wet, but I have no idea if this is the right way to go about doing things. Again, any direction is appreciated, as well as everything that's already been said. Jan 31 13 01:07 am Link |
I could have sworn that it included nips, but I was apparently mistaken. 
