Koryn wrote:
I shot fetish content and erotic work for several years. I recall being turned down for some shoots from arts photographers, years ago, due to my having "done adult work," or being a "porn model." What exactly "porn" is means a lot of different things, to a lot of different people.

There are some arts photographers who are absolutely reviled by the idea of shooting models who might cross over into other genres.

But, funny enough, a few years after I quit doing any sort of fetish and erotic content, any "adult" stuff I'd done has slipped WAY down low on Google in regards to internet searches. I changed my name and built a new portfolio with a different look, haircolor, etc. Within two years, you had to do a ton of digging (and know exactly where to dig) in order to find my old adult work. These days, it's so hard to find that a few experiments here and there showed me that I can't really find much of anything anymore - despite knowing exactly where to look and what to search.

BDSM and "naughty" content changes so rapidly online that you just disappear after you've been out of it for awhile.

I ended up shooting eventually with one of the guys who'd only just a few years before claimed to "never shoot porn models." He didn't recognize me, or associate me with being the same person he'd turned down previously - as far as I could discern.

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I've watched many models rebrand themselves after doing fetish or adult work. The amount of new adult/fetish work that comes out buries their old work to the point that google almost can't help you. With a few people, the only reason I can track their changes is because they send me the same images from different emails and names over the years.

PetranaScarlett wrote:
Guys, have you got also experience with photographers who judged you or reacted negatevely?

A photographer who judges you negatively is someone you don't want to work with anyway.

Mantographer wrote:

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I've watched many models rebrand themselves after doing fetish or adult work. The amount of new adult/fetish work that comes out buries their old work to the point that google almost can't help you. With a few people, the only reason I can track their changes is because they send me the same images from different emails and names over the years.

I'm not going to say it will never "come back to haunt." I think people have to be realistic, but at least for the next four years, if someone finds it an brings it up, you can shoot back, "Oh really? The First Lady is nekkid on teh interwebz too."

Koryn wrote:
I'm not going to say it will never "come back to haunt." I think people have to be realistic, but at least for the next four years, if someone finds it an brings it up, you can shoot back, "Oh really? The First Lady is nekkid on teh interwebz too."

I know three models who've lost their regular careers because of their part-time modelling. In all three cases it only happened because people the models thought they could trust reported them, either directly to the employers or to the employers' clients. I believe the biggest risk models face is through people they know and mistakenly trust, whether or not they fall out with them. Now or in the future.

K I M I L Y wrote:

I know three models who've lost their regular careers because of their part-time modelling. In all three cases it only happened because people the models thought they could trust reported them, either directly to the employers or to the employers' clients. I believe the biggest risk models face is through people they know and mistakenly trust, whether or not they fall out with them. Now or in the future.

As well as ex boyfriends.

K I M I L Y wrote:
I know three models who've lost their regular careers because of their part-time modelling. In all three cases it only happened because people the models thought they could trust reported them, either directly to the employers or to the employers' clients. I believe the biggest risk models face is through people they know and mistakenly trust, whether or not they fall out with them. Now or in the future.

This is mean and sad, but true. Even models in rather benign (in my opinion) photos. However, like Koryn said, who knows if Mrs. Trump's new position might relax some in the public's opinion. Not sure if it did with Ms. Bruni, but Europe has a different mentality around nudity from my experience.

Koryn wrote:
I'm not going to say it will never "come back to haunt." I think people have to be realistic, but at least for the next four years, if someone finds it an brings it up, you can shoot back, "Oh really? The First Lady is nekkid on teh interwebz too."

K I M I L Y wrote:
I know three models who've lost their regular careers because of their part-time modelling. In all three cases it only happened because people the models thought they could trust reported them, either directly to the employers or to the employers' clients. I believe the biggest risk models face is through people they know and mistakenly trust, whether or not they fall out with them. Now or in the future.

It goes both ways.

I have been declined mainstream jobs , when potential clients found out I shot erotic and BDSM and even shot glamor and boudoir with a couple of real porn stars I won't name here..
That's why maintaining 2 sets of profiles on the Internet is a good idea but not an infallible one.
it is a legit concern for a photographer to be picky about who is working with if he is concerned about adverse effects on his profession. In some cases being rigid is a good thing because their past can be discovered at some point in time regardless of how long ago those shoots were done.

pixpal wrote:
It goes both ways.

I have been declined mainstream jobs , when potential clients found out I shot erotic and BDSM and even shot glamor and boudoir with a couple of real porn stars I won't name here..
That's why maintaining 2 sets of profiles on the Internet is a good idea but not an infallible one.
it is a legit concern for a photographer to be picky about who is working with if he is concerned about adverse effects on his profession. In some cases being rigid is a good thing because their past can be discovered at some point in time regardless of how long ago those shoots were done.

Yup, it does go both ways.

I've seen the reports provided by an agency which investigates the backgrounds of candidates being considered for very senior appointments in both government and commerce. They're shockingly thorough and I'd say it's little short of impossible for anybody to prevent the connection being made between their real identity and any false identity they might try to maintain on the internet. And, as time goes by, such agencies will be used more extensively within organisations. The fingerprints we leave all over the internet are incredibly easy to find if you know what to look for and how to join up all the information. And the thing which always surprises people is that virtually all the necessary data is either publicly accessible or is legally available to organisations upon payment of a nominal fee.

K I M I L Y wrote:
I know three models who've lost their regular careers because of their part-time modelling. In all three cases it only happened because people the models thought they could trust reported them, either directly to the employers or to the employers' clients. I believe the biggest risk models face is through people they know and mistakenly trust, whether or not they fall out with them. Now or in the future.

Yeah, you just hit the nail on the head.  I'm heavily involved in the BDSM community in Los Angeles, and there's a code of ethics about confidentiality.  When a "vanilla" person finds out, that's when you know what people are made of.  Many models who are actually active BDSM practitioners won't do a BDSM/fetish shoot.  It makes fetish/BDSM art that much harder to create.

K I M I L Y wrote:

Yup, it does go both ways.

I've seen the reports provided by an agency which investigates the backgrounds of candidates being considered for very senior appointments in both government and commerce. They're shockingly thorough and I'd say it's little short of impossible for anybody to prevent the connection being made between their real identity and any false identity they might try to maintain on the internet. And, as time goes by, such agencies will be used more extensively within organisations. The fingerprints we leave all over the internet are incredibly easy to find if you know what to look for and how to join up all the information. And the thing which always surprises people is that virtually all the necessary data is either publicly accessible or is legally available to organisations upon payment of a nominal fee.

For my "day job," I'm a corporate lawyer for a transportation company.  I'm in charge of our HR policy.  I have the ability to run extensive background checks.  I ran one on myself just for giggles, and nothing came up about my BDSM lifestyle, despite an extensive cyber trail of posts and photos of me.  My trick?  Never associate your main email address with anything you post on any alternative websites.  Also, even though we are a highly government regulated industry requiring extensive safety and security protocols, we would never discriminate in hiring based on the topics discussed in this thread.

SunshineModels wrote:
I haven't tried it, but this is supposed to find an image anywhere on the web.  http://tineye.com

I can think of two models that lost their jobs and one  that didn't get admitted to the ( law) bar .
One playboy centerfold that I met told me she lost her job.  ( Not my shoot).

Then there was the one who called to tell me she got fired, before I even sent it anywhere.

The dominatrix who was now worried about her job teaching in Catholic school.  Hmm?

A girl who didn't think anyone in her country would see it.

In some cases I have told girls they shouldn't do it, or at least explained the risks.
Some of them think nobody reads those magazines.
Only two of the above were found out on the web. ( And I did warn them).

The models should be aware of the risks and decide for themselves.
However as photographers it's also in our interest to avoid obvious
potential problems.

Since I received no "warning," I'm assuming I was among the 2 of 4 models in this thread not found on your search.

I do not think it will ever be impossible to find people online, but it does become difficult. For example, how many people in the mainstream would even know about the "tineye" search?

Also, if a model is careful with how she presents herself in daily life, it tends to make her inconspicuous to others. On a daily basis, I dress androgynously, wear large eyeglasses and am often mistaken for a teenage young boy. There are only a very few close friends in my daily life who know about my past (and they're unaffiliated with my job) and all were "shocked" by finding out. None of them thought I even remotely seemed like someone who'd "model" or that someone with my particular features even could (again I wear no makeup, baggy men's clothes mostly and large glasses in daily life).

My own boyfriend, whom I've been with for two years, when we first met kept asking "who's that?" when he saw photos of me, versus daily life me.

SunshineModels wrote:
I haven't tried it, but this is supposed to find an image anywhere on the web.  http://tineye.com

You might want to try Google Images also.

Neither will give you comprehensive results though and both are easily bamboozled by image thieves using the simplest of techniques.

SunshineModels wrote:
I just mentioned tineye as a tool.
I said I didn't try it.

In my post I was referring to my own work and models I know.

Ah, gotcha

Steven Sandler 1967 wrote:
Anyway, thanks for the waker-upper.  Looks like I had a false sense of security.  Happy New Year

No worries. I've deleted my earlier post - you might want to remove the quote from your post too. Happy New Year to you too.

K I M I L Y wrote:

No worries. I've deleted my earlier post - you might want to remove the quote from your post too. Happy New Year to you too.

Done.  You're alright, pal :-)

Koryn wrote:

I'm not going to say it will never "come back to haunt." I think people have to be realistic, but at least for the next four years, if someone finds it an brings it up, you can shoot back, "Oh really? The First Lady is nekkid on teh interwebz too."

This almost made me spit my gum out from laughing TT_TT

SunshineModels wrote:
I haven't tried it, but this is supposed to find an image anywhere on the web.  http://tineye.com

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If there was a site that worked really well in finding images, the work of MM gatekeepers, whose main job is detecting the fake profiles regularly submitted to MM, would be so much easier.

In practice, tineye is only slightly more useful than an udder on a bull.  Google images search does a much better job, but hardly finds everything.

Rob Photosby wrote:

If there was a site that worked really well in finding images, the work of MM gatekeepers, whose main job is detecting the fake profiles regularly submitted to MM, would be so much easier.

In practice, tineye is only slightly more useful than an udder on a bull.  Google images search does a much better job, but hardly finds everything.

Talk to K I M I L Y (see a few posts up on this thread).  He was able to find out everything from my supposedly secret lifestyle moniker and some very compromising but supposedly carefully buried photos, to my shoe size and what I like to put on my waffles... all in a few minutes.  Not bagging on him.  He didn't post it, and he was doing me a great service by waking me up to my false sense of security.