Select Models wrote:
I honestly think that with the upcoming rainy season getting worse and worse... the best way to rescue these kids and their coach would be to drill down to them from above... creating a new tunnel that they could all escape from.  One rescuer has already died in the rescue attempt thru the flooded caves.

Drilling a hole could easily cause water flooding the cave cavity as monsoon rain comes.

Select Models wrote:
the best way to rescue these kids and their coach would be to drill down to them from above... creating a new tunnel that they could all escape from.

Drilling a tunnel from above could take months.

Depending on the nature of the cave, it could possibly "uncork" the cave and allow the water to flood it. Picture a submerged bell holding air, then drill a hole in the top of the bell.

Select Models wrote:
My question is... what Thailand governmental agency is responsible for allowing the admission of unexperienced cave hiking children into this cave at the top of the monsoon season?  With 4 straight months of increased rain forcasted from their time of cave entry... why on Earth would they allow a dozen kids (and coach) into a water cave, knowing that the additional rain forcasted would flood the cave and render it unpassable?

The current prognosis does NOT look good for their survival.  Quite sure that after this incident, admission into this cave will be monitored with alot more scrutiny...

I don't think that they were allowed to go in the cave.  They just went in!

Jules NYC wrote:
It takes even the most experienced divers up to five hours to swim through jagged, narrow channels from where the boys are to safety outside.

the locals are divided on the teacher/coach taking the kids inside a cave with warning signs not to go in during the wet season. and going that far in, without food, lights, backup lights and a retreat plan was very foolish.

caving and cave diving is a specialized sport that requires special training, lots of experience and very diligent thinking. there are so many ways to get into trouble and the slightest mistake can be fatal.

buddy cave diving with an inexperienced person can be deadly for both people. it's bad enough to deal with an emergency by yourself in a situation where you have 3-5 minutes to figure out how to survive with no air and in a very tight space; having a another person to manage at the same time is no joke.

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:

the locals are divided on the teacher/coach taking the kids inside a cave with warning signs not to go in during the wet season. and going that far in, without food, lights, backup lights and a retreat plan was very foolish.

caving and cave diving is a specialized sport that requires special training, lots of experience and very diligent thinking. there are so many ways to get into trouble and the slightest mistake can be fatal.

buddy cave diving with an inexperienced person can be deadly for both people. it's bad enough to deal with an emergency by yourself in a situation where you have 3-5 minutes to figure out how to survive with no air and in a very tight space; having a another person to manage at the same time is no joke.

Truth be told, the longest job I’ve ever held was being a lifeguard in California. This story is making me very anxious in the safety of my home.

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
the rescue should be under way:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44695232
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/thail … 018-07-08/

Just read your bbc article. Are they diving with thethers & full face masks or using this submarine device Elon speaks of?
Oh boy

IMAGINERIES wrote:
We will know today by around 10AM new York time if the first recue was successful! It takes up to 11 hours per child
If all goes well it may take 4 days to bring them all back

Thank you for that. I’ll keep checking.
This is so risky.

IMAGINERIES wrote:
New up date!! It appears that two boys are out safe on their way to hospitals.

the rescue now will a matter of hours!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44757804
"The mission has now been paused for 10 hours as oxygen levels in the cave have been depleted."

"Eight boys and their coach are still to be rescued"

there was some mention of taking in oxygen tanks to supplement the oxygen supply.

Natural Means wrote:
All boys out.

Coach to go.

Did not think it was possible.

I'm crying.

I had serious doubts it was possible, too, especially after that professional diver died.  What a relief!!  I mean, just WOW!!

空 wrote:
Some rescue show us what can be done.

it was a very close thing
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thai-cave- … -disaster/

"The missions were not only sophisticated, they were downright dangerous. At one point, two teams inside the cave briefly lost all communication. On the third day of rescues, oxygen levels in the cave dropped to toxic levels and a new round of monsoon rains threatened to raise floodwaters. The main water pump in the caves also malfunctioned, sending water rushing in. The last of the Thai Navy SEALs, three divers and a medic who had stayed behind with the group throughout the mission, barely made it out."

the water was murky, so visibility was bad. fortunately, no one lost track of the fixed rope.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2018071 … h-in-caves

"The Thai boys were in a flooding cave in a tropical region, where a lot of the potential for disease would have been picked up by water on its way into the cave.”