Robyn Leslie wrote:
Btw good luck with Florence

Thank you!

Model Mayhem Edu wrote:
Any off-topic posts will be hidden and may result in removal from the site. We have zero tolerance for transphobia on Model Mayhem.

Please tell us what Mayhem's definition of "transphobia" is.  Without that, how is one to know?

Weldphoto wrote:
Please tell us what Mayhem's definition of "transphobia" is.  Without that, how is one to know?

Somehow, it's always the people who want you to "define" something who already clearly know what the fuck is being said, but they just want to find the specific bright line of assholery they are allowed to get away with...

Robyn Leslie wrote:
Btw good luck with Florence

SoulDog wrote:
Thank you!

North Carolina is a beautiful State from what pictures I've seen.  I do photograph transgender people, and I also plan to visit the Carolinas someday.  Best wishes to you both!

-bumping this thread-

Richard Tallent wrote:
Somehow, it's always the people who want you to "define" something who already clearly know what the fuck is being said, but they just want to find the specific bright line of assholery they are allowed to get away with...

QFT

Weldphoto wrote:
Please tell us what Mayhem's definition of "transphobia" is.  Without that, how is one to know?

Richard Tallent wrote:
Somehow, it's always the people who want you to "define" something who already clearly know what the fuck is being said, but they just want to find the specific bright line of assholery they are allowed to get away with...

Transgenders are some of the bravest people I know.

Weldphoto wrote:
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Please tell us what Mayhem's definition of "transphobia" is.  Without that, how is one to know?

Does it need to be somehow different from how transphobia is normally described?


The core value underlying all transphobia is a rejection of trans identity and a refusal to acknowledge that it could possibly be real or valid.

Transphobia has no single, simple manifestation. It is complex and can include a range of behaviours and arguments. The consequence of transphobia is that trans people struggle to live openly and comfortably in society. An ultimate outcome may be the erasure of trans people as a viable class of people.

Transphobia includes, but is not limited to:

Attempting to remove trans people’s rights

Misrepresenting trans people

Abuse

Systematically excluding trans people from discussions about issues that directly affect them

Other forms of discrimination   https://www.transactual.org.uk/transphobia

It seems very much like the discrimination and hate mongering against other groups of people.  Would you please tell us what it is you don't understand?

kennethphotography wrote:
i may have contacted one who i think is pretty but....
the only problem i have is that sometimes what if your not quite sure?
to ask someone are you trans when they are NOT trans...........omg lol welcome to block.

i might suggest model mayham update their settings to allow for adding that.   might help.

There are some trans models who post that fact in their "About Me" However it is an interesting suggestion to expand the gender options to include trans.  With California being a liberal State, the DMV here has expanded the gender options, so if a State government can do it, then why not Modelmayhem?  Facebook has certainly expanded the gender options available on profiles, so why not Modelmayhem?   

Would expanding gender options on this site create problems? It is possible that models would be targeted for transphobia hatred, and even put in danger for physical attacks..  All we need to do is look towards Florida to see transphobia and other hatred coming to public attention. Racism and ageism happens and there are options to post one's race and age on this and many other websites. 

Not only have I photographed people who are in the growing LGBTQIA community, I consider myself uniquely a member of the community.  When photographing someone, the focus is on the visual in creating images.  If a "photographer" is so concerned about the gender or sexual identity of a model, then I have grave concerns about their true motive for being a "photographer."  Another thing to consider is do you really need to know?

Richard Tallent wrote:
Somehow, it's always the people who want you to "define" something who already clearly know what the fuck is being said, but they just want to find the specific bright line of assholery they are allowed to get away with...

Well said!

JSouthworth wrote:
Gender is a myth, I think. It's the idea that because men and women are different physically, they must be different mentally, spiritually, whatever. A primitive religious idea with no real science behind it.

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What were you saying to others about making intelligent posts?

You think?  No, you do not think.  How about doing some real research so that you have the best facts to work with?

Did you make this post for any reason other than to reaffirm your bias against trans people?

There is no science behind the scientific fact that males and females produce hormones in different amounts and you think there is no difference mentally?  No difference in the impact of the hormones?

If you want an unscientific look at gender, then look at the constructs of religion and gender where, somehow, billions of people can be born in a world full of genetic anomalies and yet not one person has a gender anomaly?  Women's and men's brains are not significantly different and our ability to use our brains is no different. Women are just as capable at being good at math, engineering, science- anything from the mind- as men.  The physical differences are not brain differences.[2]

You specifically called out that there is no such thing as gender difference- that gender is a myth based on religious constructs.  The problem is that "Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed.  This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time."[1]

"Gender interacts with but is different from sex, which refers to the different biological and physiological characteristics of females, males and intersex persons, such as chromosomes, hormones and reproductive organs. Gender and sex are related to but different from gender identity. Gender identity refers to a person’s deeply felt, internal and individual experience of gender, which may or may not correspond to the person’s physiology or designated sex at birth."[1]

Leprechauns and pixies are myths.  Gender is not.

Try reading!


[1] https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1

https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-a … different/

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res … in-anatomy

[2] https://www.sapiens.org/biology/busting … nd-gender/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesse … eb152276b9

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
[Leprechauns and pixies are myths.  Gender is not.]. End Quote


For the record I have on my page a transgender model and have shot others that are not on my page. My issue with the term "transphobia" is it is applied often to people who merely don't agree with the idea. To call that a phobia is not only a misuse of the word it is also an attempt to silence disagreement. That is  a step toward ending freedom of speech. I don't like broccoli but that doesn't mean I have broccoliphobia.  Words have meaning and we should use them carefully.

Weldphoto wrote:

Hunter  GWPB wrote:

JSouthworth wrote:
Leprechauns and pixies are myths.  Gender is not.

Try reading!

Indeed! 

For the record I have on my page a transgender model and have shot others that are not on my page. My issue with the term "transphobia" is it is applied often to people who merely don't agree with the idea. To call that a phobia is not only a misuse of the word it is also an attempt to silence disagreement. That is  a step toward ending freedom of speech. I don't like broccoli but that doesn't mean I have broccoliphobia.  Words have meaning and we should use them carefully.

That isn't what I wrote. Don't misquote people, it's misrepresentation. You can get in trouble.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
Leprechauns and pixies are myths.  Gender is not.

Do Leprechauns and Pixies have gender? That's the question.

Model Mayhem Edu wrote:
Any off-topic posts will be hidden and may result in removal from the site. We have zero tolerance for transphobia on Model Mayhem.

I so often complain about messages from moderators. (Mostly because they say, "No, Bill. You can't show that in the POTD contest. It's a mature image..." ...no matter how immaturely I may behave when I first get the answer.)

SO, it seems a perfect time (Thanksgiving Day here in the USA.) to say "Thank you so much for this!" I never saw the comments that have been omitted, nor would I want to. I have enough in my life to make me angry already--e.g., the events referenced in paragraph one.

Hoping everyone's sense of humor works with that last sentence.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Yours,
Bill

p.s. For all those who commented by positively referring the OP to trans-women models, thank you, too.

JSouthworth wrote:
Gender is a myth, I think. It's the idea that because men and women are different physically, they must be different mentally, spiritually, whatever. A primitive religious idea with no real science behind it.

Seminary professor here (well, adjunct, but still way-over-educated on the topic) with credentials, if not ideas, that usually hold up pretty well with puritanical fundamentalists (whom are misidentifed as "Evangelicals" in the socio-political realm):

The primitive religious idea not only has no real science behind it, it requires a grossly-inaccurate reading of the Hebrew scripture most often used to justify misogyny/patriarchy by means of imposing cisgendered, heteronormative monogamy as the only paradigm in which to pursue sexual conduct. Gender stereotypes are theologically contradicted in even the most conservative readings of the passages involved.

I don't check here so often as I should. So, if you'd like to be sure I'm seeing any responses, copy me in with a message on MM. Thanks.

Yours,
Bill

Fall River Photo wrote:
The primitive religious idea not only has no real science behind it, it requires a grossly-inaccurate reading of the Hebrew scripture most often used to justify misogyny/patriarchy by means of imposing cisgendered, heteronormative monogamy as the only paradigm in which to pursue sexual conduct. Gender stereotypes are theologically contradicted in even the most conservative readings of the passages involved.

Well, that makes it all quite clear.