Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
I would never work with this model
1. Not professional with regard to the photographer
2. Is only concerned with her escort shooting BTS images.
I would never have a model such as this on my set. I agree!!
Photographer
Focuspuller
Posts: 2754
Los Angeles, California, US
And furthermore, I am paying the model and she wants bts footage for her blog? On MY dime? No way. Sounds like a 'trade" deal to me.
Photographer
NG Photos
Posts: 243
Cleveland, Ohio, US
It's usually a lie about the safety and more likely a sign of their controlling insecure relationship.
Photographer
Gold Rush Studio
Posts: 373
Sacramento, California, US
CitrineLaCroix wrote:
Hey! I have a question for the group. How do you feel about photographers who have weird no escort policies? (Weird being you can't bring anyone with you, no stylists, mua, or escorts.)
I recently had a photographer cancel on me for a second shoot when I said I would have my partner with me. (some one who gets bts for my blog.) How do you feel about this? I have no problem with escorts who mind their own business.
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 3779
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Nogawd Photography wrote:
It's usually a lie about the safety and more likely a sign of their controlling insecure relationship. Absolutely and most models images are worse when the Escort is present on set.
Photographer
Camera Buff
Posts: 924
Maryborough, Queensland, Australia
Photographer
Roy Boyce
Posts: 3
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
CitrineLaCroix wrote:
I recently had a photographer cancel on me for a second shoot when I said I would have my partner with me. (some one who gets bts for my blog.) How do you feel about this? I think that someone shooting bts is an issue for many photographers
Model
Kelly Kooper
Posts: 1240
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I just had an argument that escalated very quickly with an amateur model over this exact thing. It may appear dodgy if a photographers specifies no escorts but it always pays to ask why.
This particular model had been discussing a shoot with a photographer I shot with about 5 years ago. He shoots at home, where he lives by himself and is an older man (probably mid 50's). He's a lovely guy. A little eccentric but quite unique in his style and perfectly appropriate and comfortable to shoot with. He also has a 'no escorts' policy. In my case, I knew he'd worked with many local models and I'd never heard a bad word about him. Suffice to say, word travels fast in the Australian scene when someone is acting up. And, as they say, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression.
Anyhow, this model had 'outed' him on a Private Facebook group about being a dodgy photographer because he wouldn't allow escorts. I commented that I'd shot with him and that he was a lovely guy and perfectly fine to shoot with. Many other people backed up my experience with him but the model was extremely abusive towards anyone who did anything other than agree with her.
This photographer's reason was quite simple. He used to allow escorts until one model brought along her big, hulking boyfriend who demanded to see all the photos, criticised many of his ideas (even though they all fell within the realm of what had been discussed prior to the shoot) and even threatened to come back and beat him up if the edited photos weren't returned to the model promptly. Oh yeah, and it was a paid shoot - as in the photographer paying the model.
The photographer told me afterwards that as an older guy who lived by himself, he just didn't need the drama. Fair enough too. His safety is just as important as ours.
Photographer
Quinlan Vos
Posts: 7
Los Angeles, California, US
I’ve been fortunate enough that the only escorts I’ve ever dealt with were ones that wanted pictures for thier websites. 😇 😉
Photographer
NG Photos
Posts: 243
Cleveland, Ohio, US
Kelly Kooper wrote:
I just had an argument that escalated very quickly with an amateur model over this exact thing. It may appear dodgy if a photographers specifies no escorts but it always pays to ask why.
This particular model had been discussing a shoot with a photographer I shot with about 5 years ago. He shoots at home, where he lives by himself and is an older man (probably mid 50's). He's a lovely guy. A little eccentric but quite unique in his style and perfectly appropriate and comfortable to shoot with. He also has a 'no escorts' policy. In my case, I knew he'd worked with many local models and I'd never heard a bad word about him. Suffice to say, word travels fast in the Australian scene when someone is acting up. And, as they say, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression.
Anyhow, this model had 'outed' him on a Private Facebook group about being a dodgy photographer because he wouldn't allow escorts. I commented that I'd shot with him and that he was a lovely guy and perfectly fine to shoot with. Many other people backed up my experience with him but the model was extremely abusive towards anyone who did anything other than agree with her.
This photographer's reason was quite simple. He used to allow escorts until one model brought along her big, hulking boyfriend who demanded to see all the photos, criticised many of his ideas (even though they all fell within the realm of what had been discussed prior to the shoot) and even threatened to come back and beat him up if the edited photos weren't returned to the model promptly. Oh yeah, and it was a paid shoot - as in the photographer paying the model.
The photographer told me afterwards that as an older guy who lived by himself, he just didn't need the drama. Fair enough too. His safety is just as important as ours. This particular topic warrants it's own thread.
Not another thread about escorts, but about these days models abusing those photographers with no escort policies.
These models will put them on blast, call them creeps, even rapists for simply having a no escort policy. I have seen good people blacklisted and shamed by this new movement/community.
Photographer
Todd Meredith
Posts: 728
Fayetteville, North Carolina, US
Nogawd Photography wrote:
This particular topic warrants it's own thread.
Not another thread about escorts, but about these days models abusing those photographers with no escort policies.
These models will put them on blast, call them creeps, even rapists for simply having a no escort policy. I have seen good people blacklisted and shamed by this new movement/community. Unfortunately, like most issues you'll encounter on MM, all of the issues in Kelly's reply have been addressed to death in the forums. I'll bet there's even more talk about it in the ultra secret models only forum, too. You know, male photographer is breathing, he's a pig. The perpetual circles of subjects have been beat to pulp time and again.
It's a simple case of people not getting what they want and resorting to social media to stand on their soapbox until someone props up their rant, giving them purpose in life. The young model's name should be spread around the local photography circles and then she can see how many people will put up with her crap. When she cants book any shoots, she'll find some other group's lives to make miserable.
It was nice to see a model be supportive and even defensive of a good photographer. Thank you, Kelly, for doing that.
Model
Kelly Kooper
Posts: 1240
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I look at it from a photographer's perspective as well because I've been doing my own shoots, on and off, for the last 5 years. These days, I work more in product photography for work and creative photography on weekends when I have the time in between modelling and social engagements.
But a good rule of thumb in any social interaction should be to consider the other person's perspective. If it still doesn't make sense, something's wrong on their side. But it goes a long way if you can try to understand where they're coming from.
From what I have seen of this girl, she's posted a lot about her state of mind (erratic, aggressive, occasionally illiterate and unaware of social norms in regards to sharing overly personal information at odd times) on her professional page so anyone investigating further about this photographer wouldn't have to look far to see the sort of person making these claims. I'd like to think most people investigate further before believing what they hear (i.e. always consider the source! Are they reputable themselves?) but in any case, her post was removed after complaints from other models about its suitability for the group. It was probably up a total of 30 minutes in the end but as it was posted to a group of 750 people from Melbourne, it was worth getting it deleted.
Most people are reasonable. And those that aren't - word spreads fairly quickly. You know who you can trust and who you can't. Same goes for models.
Photographer
Paul Brousseau
Posts: 10
Post Falls, Idaho, US
Some models think I'm "weird about escorts" others understand upfront and on the rare exception they don't after a brief explanation it's only an indicator that there will be more problems later.
For most shoots I'm fine with them bringing an escort so long as the escort knows they may be put to work especially if we're on location. As a rule I don't allow boyfriends, regardless of shoot type. It always shows in the models eyes come time to edit and plenty of other bad experiences. Husbands are usually better behaved but Mom is almost always the best bet. Exceptions can be made but not because he/she/they don't trust me/her/him/them.
As for BTS shots, I'm usually ok so long as they aren't interfering and won't take away from the finished images later. I can usually judge from what is shown on social media before hand happy to get tagged showing what the other girl missed out on because of a jealous boyfriend.
Keep in mind escorts are like like gun/drug free zones they don't slow down the real bad guys.
Model
CocoChanelleYSL
Posts: 1
Chicago, Illinois, US
I am so surprised by a lot of these answers! As a model who has been shooting since my early teens I can tell you changing outfits, makeup, hair, and keeping track of all your belongings is almost impossible to do on your own. I had an assistant with me touching up my makeup and helping me change outfits multiple times and when the resources are available I think its not only ok, but should be encouraged. Getting anxious and flustered with a zipper or unruly hair is easily prevented by an extra set of hands who can be proactively assisting with the flow of the entire shoot.
I think most professional models would agree...
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 28745
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
GoProSoloCoco wrote:
I am so surprised by a lot of these answers! As a model who has been shooting since my early teens I can tell you changing outfits, makeup, hair, and keeping track of all your belongings is almost impossible to do on your own. I had an assistant with me touching up my makeup and helping me change outfits multiple times and when the resources are available I think its not only ok, but should be encouraged. Getting anxious and flustered with a zipper or unruly hair is easily prevented by an extra set of hands who can be proactively assisting with the flow of the entire shoot.
I think most professional models would agree... The vast majority of the models and photographers on this website shoot low budget glamour and nudes. There's no amazing hair and makeup and 15 complicated outfit changes in an hour.
But I dunno...I also don't get so flustered with zippers that I need a whole third person to work it out for me.
Photographer
Jason McKendricks
Posts: 6024
Chico, California, US
GoProSoloCoco wrote:
I am so surprised by a lot of these answers! As a model who has been shooting since my early teens I can tell you changing outfits, makeup, hair, and keeping track of all your belongings is almost impossible to do on your own. I had an assistant with me touching up my makeup and helping me change outfits multiple times and when the resources are available I think its not only ok, but should be encouraged. Getting anxious and flustered with a zipper or unruly hair is easily prevented by an extra set of hands who can be proactively assisting with the flow of the entire shoot.
I think most professional models would agree... I see touching up makeup or hair as part of the stylists' jobs. That is precisely what they are there for. I also cannot ever recall a model being confounded by a zipper. At most there may have been the occasional hard-to-reach zipper or fastener in which case the MUA or hairstylist was happy to help with.
With that said, I can actually see a number of instances in which a model bringing an assistant would be a preferable solution. One example would be if a model has a medical condition. If I were working with someone who had epilepsy and she were to go through a seizure I would much rather have someone the model knows and is experienced with taking care of her around. I can even see an assistant if the model were bringing a large amount of outfits and accessories (though this does not happen often in my world.) If other photographers who have worked with said model and assistant tell me that their shoots went smoothly then I would certainly be open to it.
But in these cases the assistant is not an escort. These assistants have a valid job function at the shoot. The OP's profile mentions bringing somebody along to the shoot for her safety (masked by taking BTS shots) and specifically mentions an escort in this very thread. Some photographers will be okay with that and others won't but common sense still says that if a model feels a shoot is potentially unsafe then she should not go.
Photographer
Camera Buff
Posts: 924
Maryborough, Queensland, Australia
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21526
Chicago, Illinois, US
GoProSoloCoco wrote:
I am so surprised by a lot of these answers! As a model who has been shooting since my early teens I can tell you changing outfits, makeup, hair, and keeping track of all your belongings is almost impossible to do on your own. I had an assistant with me touching up my makeup and helping me change outfits multiple times and when the resources are available I think its not only ok, but should be encouraged. Getting anxious and flustered with a zipper or unruly hair is easily prevented by an extra set of hands who can be proactively assisting with the flow of the entire shoot.
I think most professional models would agree... NONE of the actual professional fashion, nude or commercial models I know would agree they need or require someone to help them with zippers, etc. Most can do their own make-up and hair as well. Frankly for the most part people who have come to my shoots with an assistant were mostly there to observe me. It is almost always the photographer who provides make-up artists for example. If you want a friend to come with you, that's cool but be honest about that fact. Unruly hair and a person to help you unzip...unmm, no.
Photographer
ClickMore
Posts: 563
Cranleigh, England, United Kingdom
Under 18 then I have a parent there. Other than that if the model wants a third person then they organise a MUA.
Photographer
Gamecock Photography
Posts: 75
Sumter, South Carolina, US
I had a model bring a "escort/boyfriend" unannounced for a shoot we had planned and she said she was excited about it. When I asked her why he was with her she said that he was there for her "safety". I walked next door to my friends house and asked him to "escort" me during the shoot. When we returned, she asked why he was there. I told her that he was there for my "safety". Needless to say, that went over like a fart in church.
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 3351
London, England, United Kingdom
GoProSoloCoco wrote:
I am so surprised by a lot of these answers! As a model who has been shooting since my early teens I can tell you changing outfits, makeup, hair, and keeping track of all your belongings is almost impossible to do on your own. I had an assistant with me touching up my makeup and helping me change outfits multiple times and when the resources are available I think its not only ok, but should be encouraged. Getting anxious and flustered with a zipper or unruly hair is easily prevented by an extra set of hands who can be proactively assisting with the flow of the entire shoot.
I think most professional models would agree... Somehow I manage to do test shoots with just the model and they seem capable of working things out for themselves. None have required their own "assistants".
Photographer
R.EYE.R
Posts: 3436
Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan
"Photographers who are weird about escorts"
What can I say, I love the title. Allow me to elaborate on the theme:
"Police officers who are weird about random drunk people waving hand grenades"
"Train drivers who are weird about people on the tracks"
"Flight attendants who are weird about smoking on the flights"
"Customs officials who are weird about cocaine smugglers"
Any takes?
Photographer
Docta Shock Fotografix
Posts: 1806
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
R.EYE.R wrote:
"Photographers who are weird about escorts"
What can I say, I love the title. Allow me to elaborate on the theme:
"Police officers who are weird about random drunk people waving hand grenades"
"Train drivers who are weird about people on the tracks"
"Flight attendants who are weird about smoking on the flights"
"Customs officials who are weird about cocaine smugglers"
Any takes? Could you explain the comparison? I'm not getting it. Thanks
Photographer
Deep Visions
Posts: 323
Oceanside, California, US
Is there a point to this dead horse thread? The OP hasn't returned
Photographer
Camera Buff
Posts: 924
Maryborough, Queensland, Australia
Photographer
Burle-Skit Art Perform
Posts: 42
Houston, Texas, US
From my experience, I had no problem with husbands accompanying. They just played with their phones and ate their Chinese food or whatever the whole time. (It would have been nice if the models let me know beforehand out of courtesy though, lol.) But when it came to unrelated males, such as an "agent" one occasion and boyfriend the other, they can pose problems. The "agent" saw my guitars and asked if I could play some stuff as I was setting up. And, no, I did not because time, as we say, was ticking. The other shoot, the boyfriend kept checking in on what we were doing and it mildly irritated the model herself. He was a cool dude and such but really now. Planning one shoot, I thought of putting my foot down on the question of escorts. The model in question verbally trashed me then cut me off on FB when I said her boyfriend would have to stay in the car or drive somewhere while we shot. She stated that I would be up to no good or whatever. Well in that particular case, at least she let me know in advance.  I guess I am ok with non-intrusive husbands or relatives, girlfriends, and such. But I think that well-ahead before the shoot, it might be more appropriate if the model could be first to declare bringing an escort. Because if the photographer would declare a policy on his profile or be the first to ask the model if she is bringing an escort then perhaps he becomes suspect of ill motivation or such. Thankfully 92% of the models I worked with never brought escorts, so it's not typically a critical issue with me. So there's that about "escorts."
Photographer
Shadow Dancer
Posts: 9775
Bellingham, Washington, US
R.EYE.R wrote:
"Photographers who are weird about escorts"
What can I say, I love the title. Allow me to elaborate on the theme:
"Police officers who are weird about random drunk people waving hand grenades"
"Train drivers who are weird about people on the tracks"
"Flight attendants who are weird about smoking on the flights"
"Customs officials who are weird about cocaine smugglers"
Any takes? "Photographers who are weird about photographers who are weird about escorts?" 
Photographer
Eddy Torigoe
Posts: 478
Boston, Massachusetts, US
GoProSoloCoco wrote:
But I dunno...I also don't get so flustered with zippers that I need a whole third person to work it out for me. This is one of the best retorts I've read on MM and I've been here almost 14 years.
Photographer
Photo Jen B
Posts: 358
Surprise, Arizona, US
Nogawd Photography wrote:
It's usually a lie about the safety and more likely a sign of their controlling insecure relationship. Bingo. I agree.
I'd suspect all sorts of inappropriate control issues if a boyfriend needs to accompany a model to "keep her safe."
Like, would that work at the Dairy Queen?
Jen
Photographer
Photo Jen B
Posts: 358
Surprise, Arizona, US
Camera Buff wrote:
Another (weird) example of where having someone experienced around to look after a model could be when doing a swim/water shoot with a model who can't swim. Why the heck hire a person who cannot swim to actually do a water shoot? That is absurd and dangerous. Like asking someone who can't drive to actually drive a car for a shoot too. ?
Jen
Photographer
Camera Buff
Posts: 924
Maryborough, Queensland, Australia
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Camera Buff wrote:
Bingo! I agree.
I was being facetious with my example. Oh, it surely went over my head. Not uncommon!!
Jen
Photographer
Evil Laugh Photography
Posts: 110
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Garry k wrote:
BFs can be a problem in so many ways So can GFs when you're a photographer who "only shoots young pretty women" (her words) apparently.
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Evil Laugh Photography wrote:
So can GFs when you're a photographer who "only shoots young pretty women" (her words) apparently. I have never had problems shooting young pretty women!
Photographer
Photo Jen B
Posts: 358
Surprise, Arizona, US
Dang,
I had a shoot ruined last night by friends of my model. What I thought was going to happen is they'd help my model out to the shoot area, she uses a walker and was in a long dress and I needed someone to make sure she didn't fall, and to hold up her dress as we walked a few feet.)
Not only did one friend come to hold the dress but a second friend came out and proceeded to stand directly in front of the model but off camera. The friend continually talked loudly to the model interfering with my shoot because "I'm just helping her telling her to move her hair out of her eyes." Sheesh, the shoot didn't last five minutes before both friends were just yuking it up having fun visiting and TEASING their friend who was modeling for me. Then the one who carried the dress, called it all off at that point because she thought her friend was too hot and going to faint. In spite of model saying she was okay. I took a couple more and walked over to my model, told her she did just lovely and that we got enough.
In reality, I couldn't handle any more of the peanut gallery anyhow and I couldn't even get my model's attention due to the loud friends being bossy and teasing for their own amusement. They were enjoying the experience and just ruined their friends photo shoot. We were't playing dress up, we were trying to get portraits.
I'm also miffed with myself because we shouldn't have shot. When I got there, the model wasn't ready, she thought it was a different day. I said, "is okay, we don'..." INSERT LOUD friend here --> Loud friend interrupted and coerced her friend to do the shoot. Meanwhile, loud friend and bossy friend ended up teaching me a lesson I already know. I do NOT want escorts on set.
Sigh, poor model will think she did bad or isn't pretty but in reality I was trying to take portraits but, never got her attention away from freakin' Lucy and Ethel in her face.
Jen
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Photo Jen B wrote:
Dang,
I had a shoot ruined last night by friends of my model. What I thought was going to happen is they'd help my model out to the shoot area, she uses a walker and was in a long dress and I needed someone to make sure she didn't fall, and to hold up her dress as we walked a few feet.)
Not only did one friend come to hold the dress but a second friend came out and proceeded to stand directly in front of the model but off camera. The friend continually talked loudly to the model interfering with my shoot because "I'm just helping her telling her to move her hair out of her eyes." Sheesh, the shoot didn't last five minutes before both friends were just yuking it up having fun visiting and TEASING their friend who was modeling for me. Then the one who carried the dress, called it all off at that point because she thought her friend was too hot and going to faint. In spite of model saying she was okay. I took a couple more and walked over to my model, told her she did just lovely and that we got enough.
In reality, I couldn't handle any more of the peanut gallery anyhow and I couldn't even get my model's attention due to the loud friends being bossy and teasing for their own amusement. They were enjoying the experience and just ruined their friends photo shoot. We were't playing dress up, we were trying to get portraits.
I'm also miffed with myself because we shouldn't have shot. When I got there, the model wasn't ready, she thought it was a different day. I said, "is okay, we don'..." INSERT LOUD friend here --> Loud friend interrupted and coerced her friend to do the shoot. Meanwhile, loud friend and bossy friend ended up teaching me a lesson I already know. I do NOT want escorts on set.
Sigh, poor model will think she did bad or isn't pretty but in reality I was trying to take portraits but, never got her attention away from freakin' Lucy and Ethel in her face.
Jen Sorry to hear about your bad experience Jen. 
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 8179
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US
Photo Jen B wrote:
Dang,
I had a shoot ruined last night by friends of my model. What I thought was going to happen is they'd help my model out to the shoot area, she uses a walker and was in a long dress and I needed someone to make sure she didn't fall, and to hold up her dress as we walked a few feet.)
Not only did one friend come to hold the dress but a second friend came out and proceeded to stand directly in front of the model but off camera. The friend continually talked loudly to the model interfering with my shoot because "I'm just helping her telling her to move her hair out of her eyes." Sheesh, the shoot didn't last five minutes before both friends were just yuking it up having fun visiting and TEASING their friend who was modeling for me. Then the one who carried the dress, called it all off at that point because she thought her friend was too hot and going to faint. In spite of model saying she was okay. I took a couple more and walked over to my model, told her she did just lovely and that we got enough.
In reality, I couldn't handle any more of the peanut gallery anyhow and I couldn't even get my model's attention due to the loud friends being bossy and teasing for their own amusement. They were enjoying the experience and just ruined their friends photo shoot. We were't playing dress up, we were trying to get portraits.
I'm also miffed with myself because we shouldn't have shot. When I got there, the model wasn't ready, she thought it was a different day. I said, "is okay, we don'..." INSERT LOUD friend here --> Loud friend interrupted and coerced her friend to do the shoot. Meanwhile, loud friend and bossy friend ended up teaching me a lesson I already know. I do NOT want escorts on set.
Sigh, poor model will think she did bad or isn't pretty but in reality I was trying to take portraits but, never got her attention away from freakin' Lucy and Ethel in her face.
Jen Your model needs better friends. Would you consider rescheduling with her to accomplish your task? Provide your own assistant to help out?
Photographer
Jason McKendricks
Posts: 6024
Chico, California, US
Photo Jen B wrote:
Dang,
I had a shoot ruined last night by friends of my model. What I thought was going to happen is they'd help my model out to the shoot area, she uses a walker and was in a long dress and I needed someone to make sure she didn't fall, and to hold up her dress as we walked a few feet.)
Not only did one friend come to hold the dress but a second friend came out and proceeded to stand directly in front of the model but off camera. The friend continually talked loudly to the model interfering with my shoot because "I'm just helping her telling her to move her hair out of her eyes." Sheesh, the shoot didn't last five minutes before both friends were just yuking it up having fun visiting and TEASING their friend who was modeling for me. Then the one who carried the dress, called it all off at that point because she thought her friend was too hot and going to faint. In spite of model saying she was okay. I took a couple more and walked over to my model, told her she did just lovely and that we got enough.
In reality, I couldn't handle any more of the peanut gallery anyhow and I couldn't even get my model's attention due to the loud friends being bossy and teasing for their own amusement. They were enjoying the experience and just ruined their friends photo shoot. We were't playing dress up, we were trying to get portraits.
I'm also miffed with myself because we shouldn't have shot. When I got there, the model wasn't ready, she thought it was a different day. I said, "is okay, we don'..." INSERT LOUD friend here --> Loud friend interrupted and coerced her friend to do the shoot. Meanwhile, loud friend and bossy friend ended up teaching me a lesson I already know. I do NOT want escorts on set.
Sigh, poor model will think she did bad or isn't pretty but in reality I was trying to take portraits but, never got her attention away from freakin' Lucy and Ethel in her face.
Jen I am sorry you had to put up with all of that, Jen. However, i think your anecdote raises a point that is worth discussing.People who have no real role at a shoot tend to disrupt the whole thing - often without realizing that they are ruining things. These two heckled your model (after they berated her into doing it in the first place). Any work they did like holding her dress could be handled by your own assistant. This is precisely why a lot of photographers do not want escorts at shoots. Who wants to pay for studio time, rent expensive equipment, hire a stylist and assistant and have all of that (plus several hours of wasted time) because bored escorts end up ruining the shoot?
Bear in mind that Jen has a relatively rare perspective as both a model and a photographer and when even she grows weary of escort antics then there is most certainly something to be said about the argument that escorts ruin shoots.
Photographer
Photo Jen B
Posts: 358
Surprise, Arizona, US
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Sorry to hear about your bad experience Jen. Hunter GWPB wrote:
Your model needs better friends. Would you consider rescheduling with her to accomplish your task? Provide your own assistant to help out? Jason McKendricks wrote:
I am sorry you had to put up with all of that, Jen. However, i think your anecdote raises a point that is worth discussing.People who have no real role at a shoot tend to disrupt the whole thing - often without realizing that they are ruining things. These two heckled your model (after they berated her into doing it in the first place). Thank you and thank you again.
We did redo the shoot, I learned a lot and the escort friends and model did too. Mostly I learned that I need to look out for my subject, my model. She was a very conscientious person who felt like it was all her fault. The escorts realized what they'd done and they felt bad about ruining her shoot and both contacted me to see if I'd redo it and they apologized.
It was a mutual apology fest and we reshot, without the escorts, (although I did invite them and gave each a role because I felt we owed it to their friend.) They were willing and also agreed to let us go solo as I decided at the end. My model was a 92 year old woman for my bridal theme.
I also learned:
1. sometimes people are busy enjoying sharing the moment with their friend/model and do not care about the results they may or may not be ruining. Next time, I'll keep perspective and let them enjoy, (I could've just kept a nice face and not gotten miffed the hecklers were there and went home to see if anything was worthy.)
2. The model cares about everyone sometimes and is not the person who should have to feel responsible for anything other than being her/his self.
3. Always look at the results, even from failed shoots and no matter how miffed you are that "it was ruined." My very short 13 shots to check lighting, exposure, focal distance and framing, actually got four very nice shots for her. I refinished those quickly while I was refinishing several shots from our "rescue" shoot on Sunday.
Thank you so, so much!
Jen
p.s. side car into the escort thread yet, and I am more firm in my stance against escorts too, what a weekend because of it!
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Photo Jen B wrote:
Thank you and thank you again.
We did redo the shoot, I learned a lot and the escort friends and model did too. Mostly I learned that I need to look out for my subject, my model. She was a very conscientious person who felt like it was all her fault. The escorts realized what they'd done and they felt bad about ruining her shoot and both contacted me to see if I'd redo it and they apologized.
It was a mutual apology fest and we reshot, without the escorts, (although I did invite them and gave each a role because I felt we owed it to their friend.) They were willing and also agreed to let us go solo as I decided at the end. My model was a 92 year old woman for my bridal theme.
I also learned:
1. sometimes people are busy enjoying sharing the moment with their friend/model and do not care about the results they may or may not be ruining. Next time, I'll keep perspective and let them enjoy, (I could've just kept a nice face and not gotten miffed the hecklers were there and went home to see if anything was worthy.)
2. The model cares about everyone sometimes and is not the person who should have to feel responsible for anything other than being her/his self.
3. Always look at the results, even from failed shoots and no matter how miffed you are that "it was ruined." My very short 13 shots to check lighting, exposure, focal distance and framing, actually got four very nice shots for her. I refinished those quickly while I was refinishing several shots from our "rescue" shoot on Sunday.
Thank you so, so much!
Jen
p.s. side car into the escort thread yet, and I am more firm in my stance against escorts too, what a weekend because of it! It was a good learning experience!
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