Forums > Model Colloquy > Some Models Fail to Show For Agreed Shoot-Why

Photographer

Robert Stites

Posts: 22

Dallas, Texas, US

It would be interesting to hear from models why some don't feel the need to live up to their commitments to be at an agreed photo shoot. I have been burned by several models over the years and, apart from the frustration, there is the cost of the studio or location and everything else that goes with setting up a shoot. Any comments will be welcome.

Apr 15 19 04:48 pm Link

Model

Madison Mayne

Posts: 28

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Because they are rude and really don't care. I've never done that once in 4 years of modelling and I never would. They have absolutely no regard for anyone but themselves. There may be an occasional time when a shoot needs to be cancelled due to illness or some other valid reason, however the model still needs to let the photographer know instead of just not showing up. Just my two cents. Photographers should have a list of no shows that they can share with each other

Apr 15 19 05:15 pm Link

Photographer

Chuckarelei

Posts: 11008

Seattle, Washington, US

Robert Stites wrote:
It would be interesting to hear from models why some don't feel the need to live up to their commitments to be at an agreed photo shoot. I have been burned by several models over the years and, apart from the frustration, there is the cost of the studio or location and everything else that goes with setting up a shoot. Any comments will be welcome.

Welcome to the mayhem, the hard truth and fact on interweb modeling/photography.

By the way, don't call those 'models'. They are not models, 'models-wannabe' are far more appropriate.

Apr 15 19 05:28 pm Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 9960

Santa Barbara, California, US

If their inner voice could be audible it would say "Because I am Unprofessional!"

Apr 15 19 07:59 pm Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 8334

Bellingham, Washington, US

Lordy, let's keep it real.
You all should try to put a band together!!!!

Moddles, Togs, MUAs, GWCs, it doesn't matter who, some of them flake.
So do bassists, drummers, singers, lead guitarists, club owners, people on craigslist and/or Fakebook and random other shitty people - I could go on for eternity.

There is no sensible explanation and there isn't going to be one.

MMers have been flogging this long since deader than dead horse since at least 2006 when I joined.
Acting like it's something new or unexpected is ridiculous.  Maybe somebody needs a nap or a good cry?

Apr 15 19 08:15 pm Link

Model

Victoria Morrisa

Posts: 111

New York, New York, US

In the future, you can confirm the shoot the day before, and then again the morning-of before you travel out to the shoot. You can also take a deposit to hold paid shoots.

Apr 16 19 01:05 am Link

Model

Alexandra Vincent

Posts: 276

Los Angeles, California, US

It works both ways. People are flaky - not.just models.

I once drove 9 hrs to reach a city in which I had a shoot scheduled the next morning. After I arrived at the hotel that night, I called the photographer for a final check in and he reported that he'd "forgotten" about the shoot, and was out of town.

We'd confirmed only the previous week. 9 hours of driving.

All models who have worked at the full time/pro level have at least a few similar stories. I have a handful of them.

Again...humans are flaky. All groups of humans. All.of.them.

Apr 16 19 06:51 am Link

Photographer

goofus

Posts: 676

Santa Barbara, California, US

ya know.. it's just 'one of those things'

I'm kinda used to it by now

it's not like we'd be curing cancer or saving mankind from the alien threat or anything.. maybe something better comes up.. maybe they are too hungover.. maybe they just do not feel like it - I get it..kinda

of course I have my own shooting space and equipment so I'm not renting anything.. and I typically do not employ a MUA..
If I did have to rent a studio.. and hire a MUA.. yeah..I'd be way more pissed..like WAY MORE

Apr 16 19 12:34 pm Link

Photographer

Eric212Grapher

Posts: 2022

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Shadow Dancer wrote:
Lordy, let's keep it real.
You all should try to put a band together!!!!

Moddles, Togs, MUAs, GWCs, it doesn't matter who, some of them flake.
So do bassists, drummers, singers, lead guitarists, club owners, people on craigslist and/or Fakebook and random other shitty people - I could go on for eternity.

There is no sensible explanation and there isn't going to be one.

MMers have been flogging this long since deader than dead horse since at least 2006 when I joined.
Acting like it's something new or unexpected is ridiculous.  Maybe somebody needs a nap or a good cry?

+1

There will be a hundred different reasons for flaking, and not one will satisfy the person being flaked upon. Grandmothers do die again, from time to time. Accept it, and move on. You do not have to like it, but accepting reality is part of life.

Apr 16 19 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

Angel House Portraits

Posts: 35

Orlando, Florida, US

Victoria Morrisa wrote:
In the future, you can confirm the shoot the day before, and then again the morning-of before you travel out to the shoot. You can also take a deposit to hold paid shoots.

Funny years later its the same. This route I have take with great success before. All but the deposit. In the long run you will meet models and built relationships. Those are the ones with which you can go back to. Nowadays I do a little of everything. I have joined local groups. MM is always in the mix.

Apr 16 19 06:54 pm Link

Photographer

63fotos

Posts: 202

Alhambra, California, US

Robert Stites wrote:
It would be interesting to hear from models why some don't feel the need to live up to their commitments to be at an agreed photo shoot. I have been burned by several models over the years and, apart from the frustration, there is the cost of the studio or location and everything else that goes with setting up a shoot. Any comments will be welcome.

It's happened to me a few times, also. My conclusion is that are not really that serious about modeling.

Apr 16 19 10:02 pm Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13407

Des Moines, Iowa, US

Me:  "Yesterday you confirmed today's shoot, but today you didn't show up. Can you tell me why?"

Model:  "At the last minute I decided to go shopping instead."


While, most models may not cancel or flake because of shopping as this model did,  it really comes down to two things:

1  Something else become their new priority, and that many be any number of things. 

2.  A lack of consequences for not following through.


I work with college age students all the time, and I don't see nearly the flaky behavior I do from independent models.  The difference of course is consequence.  If a student skips a class or doesn't show up for a work shift, there will be repercussions they don't like.   The same is not true of freelance modeling.  A model can no-show on you and most photographers will never know so it won't negatively impact her ability to book future shoots.  Of course, if the model isn't serious about modeling, then even that doesn't matter.   In contrast, if an agency model doesn't show, there will be consequences. 

There are things photographers can do to reduce flakiness.  Once you've done that, you just have to decide if what you are left with is worth it or not.   At present, I'm not in the mood to deal with a bunch of flakiness, so I'm not even trying to book any shoots.  Someday, I'll want to shoot badly enough that I will.

Apr 17 19 08:33 am Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 9960

Santa Barbara, California, US

Abbitt Photography wrote:
Me:  "Yesterday you confirmed today's shoot, but today you didn't show up. Can you tell me why?"

Model:  "At the last minute I decided to go shopping instead."


While, most models may not cancel or flake because of shopping as this model did,  it really comes down to two things:

1  Something else become their new priority, and that many be any number of things. 

2.  A lack of consequences for not following through.


I work with college age students all the time, and I don't see nearly the flaky behavior I do from independent models.  The difference of course is consequence.  If a student skips a class or doesn't show up for a work shift, there will be repercussions they don't like.   The same is not true of freelance modeling.  A model can no-show on you and most photographers will never know so it won't negatively impact her ability to book future shoots.  Of course, if the model isn't serious about modeling, then even that doesn't matter.   In contrast, if an agency model doesn't show, there will be consequences. 

There are things photographers can do to reduce flakiness.  Once you've done that, you just have to decide if what you are left with is worth it or not.   At present, I'm not in the mood to deal with a bunch of flakiness, so I'm not even trying to book any shoots.  Someday, I'll want to shoot badly enough that I will.

I would slightly disagree. I have seen a few freelance models over the years get black listed by photographers and vice versa. At least in the art model community, word gets out quickly. All it takes is a few bad references here on MM, FB, maybe some art forums and people start talking. Depending on the popularity of the talent, the effect may be swift or may take a while.

Apr 17 19 02:47 pm Link

Photographer

TouchofEleganceStudios

Posts: 5453

Upland, California, US

Some of you who have been around on Model Mayhem for many years might remember the poor grandmother who died and later died then later died (same models grandmother). Dang that old lady had 9 lives that she would rise from the dead so many times. Then believe it or not a few years later that poor model that very same grandmother died again. But, don't worry she has at least 4 lives left.

Apr 17 19 07:02 pm Link

Model

Laura UnBound

Posts: 28693

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Some models don't show up to shoots booked with people who have done something to make them feel uncomfortable or otherwise like attending the shoot would not be in their best interest.

Apr 17 19 09:57 pm Link

Photographer

Andrew Koenig

Posts: 360

Gillette, New Jersey, US

I have encountered only one legitimate excuse for not showing up.

Once upon a time, I had made arrangements to get together with a fellow photographer for a joint shoot. The day before the shoot, as we were starting to nail down the details, he suddenly went silent. I tried every way I knew to contact him, but nothing. I was angry and depressed.

I heard from him about three days later, with a message along these lines:

"I am so terribly sorry to have stood you up the other day. The sad truth is that I dropped my phone in the toilet, and I had no backup for your contact information. I only use the phone to go online, and until I got the new phone, I had no way to get in touch with you or anyone else."

Then, on the flip side, I once saw a Facebook message from a model whom I had been wanting to shoot for some time: "Any photographers in north Jersey free for an outdoor shoot two hours from now? My photographer just called me with a flat tire and there's no way he can get here in time." I was lucky enough to be the first photographer to get back to her--and my luck was really in that day, because that was the shoot that she was planning to use to announce to the world that she was pregnant.

Apr 18 19 07:06 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13407

Des Moines, Iowa, US

Art Silva wrote:

I would slightly disagree. I have seen a few freelance models over the years get black listed by photographers and vice versa. At least in the art model community, word gets out quickly. All it takes is a few bad references here on MM, FB, maybe some art forums and people start talking. Depending on the popularity of the talent, the effect may be swift or may take a while.

Outing isn't allowed here on MM.  If anyone is keeping a blacklist or database of models in my area who are flaky, I'm certainly unaware of it.  I think when a model flakes on a photographer, the vast majority of other photographers won't know about it, so the impact on that model if any is usually very minor if at all.

Apr 18 19 07:54 am Link

Photographer

63fotos

Posts: 202

Alhambra, California, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
Some models don't show up to shoots booked with people who have done something to make them feel uncomfortable or otherwise like attending the shoot would not be in their best interest.

then why did they agree to do the shoot?

Apr 18 19 08:28 am Link

Clothing Designer

GRMACK

Posts: 5057

Bakersfield, California, US

My doc told me he has had days where half the patients do not show up.  He does bill the no-shows fifty bucks since they have some down time to do so.  He lets some first timers pass, but nails them a second time where they just shrug their shoulders and pay.  My dentist seems to have gotten aggressive in calling and texting about upcoming appointments too as well as "We will bill you if you don't show up!"

No shows - no matter what job or activity - are just a way of life.

Apr 18 19 08:50 am Link

Model

Laura UnBound

Posts: 28693

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

63fotos wrote:

then why did they agree to do the shoot?

Most people don't book a shoot on the spot - there's time between when the shoot is discussed and booked and when the shoot is actually scheduled to take place. Plenty of time for someone to fuck it up.

Apr 18 19 10:55 am Link

Photographer

Chuckarelei

Posts: 11008

Seattle, Washington, US

GRMACK wrote:
My doc told me he has had days where half the patients do not show up.  He does bill the no-shows fifty bucks since they have some down time to do so.  He lets some first timers pass, but nails them a second time where they just shrug their shoulders and pay.  My dentist seems to have gotten aggressive in calling and texting about upcoming appointments too as well as "We will bill you if you don't show up!"

No shows - no matter what job or activity - are just a way of life.

But I beet the amount and degree of no show is no where the rest of the field can come close to the world interweb modeling/photography.

Apr 18 19 11:00 am Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 8334

Bellingham, Washington, US

Chuckarelei wrote:

But I beet the amount and degree of no show is no where the rest of the field can come close to the world interweb modeling/photography.

We are surrounded by politicians who say they wil do something and do not, or say they did not do something and did. We have countless millions of fake Facebook accounts and they are posted faster than Facebook can delete them. Craigslist trolls, scammers and other scum, "Contractors" who disappear after getting payment for materials, landlords and renters who do not hold their end up and as I said before, not many of you (if any) have ever tried to put and keep a band together.

So I would say that you are simply focused on the disappointments that affect you and not really looking at the world at large. Flaky photographers and models are a small segment of the flaky people that surround us.

Apr 18 19 12:36 pm Link

Photographer

Photo Jen B

Posts: 353

Surprise, Arizona, US

Robert Stites wrote:
It would be interesting to hear from models why some don't feel the need to live up to their commitments to be at an agreed photo shoot. I have been burned by several models over the years and, apart from the frustration, there is the cost of the studio or location and everything else that goes with setting up a shoot. Any comments will be welcome.

Hi,
As a model I cannot speak for those who flake. I can only assume that they are flakes.

The only time a photographer stood me upon, it was someone I'd shot with several times, so I texted her to see if sh was coming. I was at the shoot location with hair and make up done, (paid for a really good make up artist which I'd hired for our previous shoots.)

The photographer fell asleep, she was exhausted and likely catching a bug so strong it knocked her on her keister. She was going to try and make it so I waited longer, (about an hour figuring she needed time to get ready.) Anyway, that photographer wasn't flaking on me, she was sick as heck and ended up out of commission for several weeks with a serious flu.

Being sick or unavailable is not flaking, having a car issue, or child care issue or work issue or having a life collusion of events is not flaking. Flaking is different altogether and it means the person has absolutely no conscience for others. Flakes do not get second chances they are narcissistic.

Jen

Apr 19 19 07:20 am Link

Photographer

Photo Jen B

Posts: 353

Surprise, Arizona, US

Chuckarelei wrote:

Welcome to the mayhem, the hard truth and fact on interweb modeling/photography.

By the way, don't call those 'models'. They are not models, 'models-wannabe' are far more appropriate.

I agree, don't call those 'models.' They are not, they are trolls...

Apr 19 19 07:22 am Link

Photographer

Photo Jen B

Posts: 353

Surprise, Arizona, US

Alexandra Vincent wrote:
It works both ways. People are flaky - not.just models.

I once drove 9 hrs to reach a city in which I had a shoot scheduled the next morning. After I arrived at the hotel that night, I called the photographer for a final check in and he reported that he'd "forgotten" about the shoot, and was out of town.

We'd confirmed only the previous week. 9 hours of driving.

All models who have worked at the full time/pro level have at least a few similar stories. I have a handful of them.

Again...humans are flaky. All groups of humans. All.of.them.

Hi,
Being flaky and forgetting is definitely one thing but, a true flake would likely have not answered your call.
Jen
p.s. sheesh, 9 hours, that was pretty darn crappy...he/she was an a**hole

Apr 19 19 07:24 am Link

Photographer

Photo Jen B

Posts: 353

Surprise, Arizona, US

Laura UnBound wrote:

Most people don't book a shoot on the spot - there's time between when the shoot is discussed and booked and when the shoot is actually scheduled to take place. Plenty of time for someone to fuck it up.

Oh please, I don't buy it.

The model could just as easily tell the photographer who 'f*cked" it up by making the model uncomfortable, that they are cancelling the shoot. Instead of passive-aggressively flaking on them. However if they are so uncomfortable. Bottom line, they flaked.

A flake is a flake, a cancel for another reason is not.
Jen

Apr 19 19 07:34 am Link

Photographer

Tony Lawrence

Posts: 21355

Chicago, Illinois, US

When you aren't paying model you are asking them to show in the hope of getting usable photos and while I may feel my work has value.   I also fully understand if a model decides something else sounds more fun or simply changes her mind...  What is rude and bullshi# is to not cancel in plenty of time.   This idea that something a photographer might say causes a model to flake is also bull.   There are few to no reasons we can't call or text or email to let others know we can't come.   Its all pretty simple though.   Don't accept shoots you really don't plan on showing for.


With that said I will add that in many cases offering a few $$$ helps.   Many models are young and broke and while photos are nice to have a few bucks can help a young college student, etc.

Apr 19 19 11:28 am Link

Model

Laura UnBound

Posts: 28693

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Photo Jen B wrote:

Oh please, I don't buy it.

The model could just as easily tell the photographer who 'f*cked" it up by making the model uncomfortable, that they are cancelling the shoot. Instead of passive-aggressively flaking on them. However if they are so uncomfortable. Bottom line, they flaked.

A flake is a flake, a cancel for another reason is not.
Jen

You don't have to buy anything. If you don't want to believe that some people don't show up because the person they were booked with has disrespected them or creeped them out, then don't.

I simply know that's why some people don't show up. And personally, I don't believe that someone who can't behave themselves is owed any more time or effort by way of handholding them through what they did wrong. If you don't want people to flake on you, don't be a fuckin creep. It's pretty easy.

Apr 20 19 06:15 pm Link

Photographer

Red Sky Photography

Posts: 3667

Germantown, Maryland, US

In my years of hosting models, I have seen many photographers flake on traveling models. Some cancel last minute, some don't show up at the agreed location, some don't answer the door. Mostly paid shoots. Why do they do that? I haven't a clue.

I've been an Auto Tech for most of my life and the number of people who made appointments and never showed up is much great than the number of those who called to cancel.

Flakes happen in any and all interactions between humans, roll with the punches.

Apr 20 19 06:57 pm Link

Photographer

Tony Lawrence

Posts: 21355

Chicago, Illinois, US

Photo Jen B wrote:

Oh please, I don't buy it.

The model could just as easily tell the photographer who 'f*cked" it up by making the model uncomfortable, that they are cancelling the shoot. Instead of passive-aggressively flaking on them. However if they are so uncomfortable. Bottom line, they flaked.

A flake is a flake, a cancel for another reason is not.
Jen

Hi, Jen

I agree completely.   Part of being a mature adult is letting those you agree to work with know you can't come.   Why doesn't matter but you owe them at least a text, call or email.   When someone says its something the other person said or did its about deflecting responsibility  if a model is uncomfortable for any reason say you aren't coming.   Not doing so suggests you (model) are mostly self centered, rude and thoughtless.   Still I kinda get it.   I sometimes do market research studies which pay.   Most of the companies call and text multiple times to confirm people are coming.   My guess is because many times people don't show and that slot could have been filled by another person.

Sometimes I have paid work.   A few models here who have written me about unpaid tests reach out about the paid shoots and I never respond.  You risk very little by saying you can't come while the photographers may be let down I assure models we appreciate that you let us know.   Flaking isn't appreciated and may cost you.

Apr 20 19 09:44 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 29536

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I had a few flakes in my earlier years as a photographer

My view was that either the Model didnt take modelling seriously or they didnt take me seriously

Over the years I have become a decent photographer - and I also have learned that its best to compensate ( to some degree ) all the Models I choose to work with

As a result I can;t remember that last time a Model has flaked on me - its been several years

Apr 20 19 11:21 pm Link

Photographer

Photo Jen B

Posts: 353

Surprise, Arizona, US

Laura UnBound wrote:

You don't have to buy anything. If you don't want to believe that some people don't show up because the person they were booked with has disrespected them or creeped them out, then don't.

I simply know that's why some people don't show up. And personally, I don't believe that someone who can't behave themselves is owed any more time or effort by way of handholding them through what they did wrong. If you don't want people to flake on you, don't be a fuckin creep. It's pretty easy.

So people flake because "we" are creeps.

I don't have to buy it but I own this.

Nah.

People flake because they are not responsible at all. Regardless if they cloak is as hiding behind their victim mindset for whatever perceived or real creepiness a photographer may have. Failing to give feedback or use "their own words and communicate" flaking is flaking.

Jen

Apr 21 19 09:51 am Link

Model

Laura UnBound

Posts: 28693

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Photo Jen B wrote:

So people flake because "we" are creeps.

That is what I said, yes. Some people don't go on shoots with people who behaved shitty towards them. It's not that mind-boggling.

I don't have to buy it but I own this.

Nah.

People flake because they are not responsible at all. Regardless if they cloak is as hiding behind their victim mindset for whatever perceived or real creepiness a photographer may have. Failing to give feedback or use "their own words and communicate" flaking is flaking.

Jen

I never said that the behaviour wasn't flaking, what it was called was never the issue in this thread. It was a question of why people do it at all.

I simply explained why the flaking happened for some people.

Apr 21 19 10:14 am Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 8334

Bellingham, Washington, US

Photo Jen B wrote:
So people flake because "we" are creeps.

I don't have to buy it but I own this.

Nah.

People flake because they are not responsible at all. Regardless if they cloak is as hiding behind their victim mindset for whatever perceived or real creepiness a photographer may have. Failing to give feedback or use "their own words and communicate" flaking is flaking.

Jen

Laura is not saying that all models that flake do it because the photographer creeped them out. She is offering that as one reason somebody might flake. I understand it, I've never modelled but I've flaked on people who put out an unsettling vibe. I am not here to go down the rabbit hole of attempting to enlighten grown-ass people on why they shouldn't be assholes, primarly because they are assholes.

As I've stated twice and many seem to want to ignore, this is NOT a "Models flake, WAH poor photographer" issue. It is a "Humans do not always comply with our personal code of ethics, DUH!" issue.
It's been brought up in multiple iterations on MM for over a decade, add it to the escort threads for sheer repetitive pointlessness.

On to the next, deaf ears do not hear, creepy people do not deserve my time and off we go. I guess what I am really trying to say is that one can maintain a personal level of integrity but it doesn't follow that others will comply with those standards and no amount of expecting them to do so will change anything.

Sometimes we have to learn the hard way that somebody is not reliable or to repulsive to be around. Best to cut and run at that point, on to the next. Dwelling over it accomplishes nothing.

Apr 21 19 10:30 am Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 12632

Brooklyn, New York, US

Photo Jen B wrote:

Oh please, I don't buy it.

The model could just as easily tell the photographer who 'f*cked" it up by making the model uncomfortable, that they are cancelling the shoot. Instead of passive-aggressively flaking on them. However if they are so uncomfortable. Bottom line, they flaked.

A flake is a flake, a cancel for another reason is not.
Jen

I had a model friend tell me my photographer buddy was "creepy" because he was so old.

Apr 21 19 12:46 pm Link

Photographer

Photo Jen B

Posts: 353

Surprise, Arizona, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
That is what I said, yes. Some people don't go on shoots with people who behaved shitty towards them. It's not that mind-boggling.


I never said that the behaviour wasn't flaking, what it was called was never the issue in this thread. It was a question of why people do it at all.

I simply explained why the flaking happened for some people.

Being shitty to someone is completely different and a different issue.

Really huge difference.

Apr 21 19 08:00 pm Link

Photographer

Tony Lawrence

Posts: 21355

Chicago, Illinois, US

Several years ago a model who had flaked on me a few times showed up.   I asked her what happened the other times and she told me that she was practically homeless and moved from house to house.   I noticed she had two big bags of clothes and a laptop, etc.   That young woman had a lot on her plate and my sessions at the time were last on her list.   Certainly she should have called or let me know she wasn't coming but I get it.   Do sometimes photographers say things that might turn a model off or they hear negative things from other models, sure I guess.  Does that mean they should not let us know they aren't coming, no.

Still I always reflect on what that woman told me.   Don't make or take it personally.   Never assume or presume anything.   Always ask for a confirmation call or text or email.   Keep conversations short and focused on the planned shoot.   Last always, always remember that when you aren't paying someone you are relying on their desire to get your work.   Maybe that day they woke up with a headache or couldn't get a ride and they don't have a car.   Maybe they couldn't get a babysitter or heck they wanted to sleep in.   Try and not let it bother you and treat those who do show well.   Give them what you promised quickly and thank them.

Apr 21 19 08:30 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 29536

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Several years ago a model who had flaked on me a few times showed up.   I asked her what happened the other times and she told me that she was practically homeless and moved from house to house.   I noticed she had two big bags of clothes and a laptop, etc.   That young woman had a lot on her plate and my sessions at the time were last on her list.   Certainly she should have called or let me know she wasn't coming but I get it.   Do sometimes photographers say things that might turn a model off or they hear negative things from other models, sure I guess.  Does that mean they should not let us know they aren't coming, no.

Still I always reflect on what that woman told me.   Don't make or take it personally.   Never assume or presume anything.   Always ask for a confirmation call or text or email.   Keep conversations short and focused on the planned shoot.   Last always, always remember that when you aren't paying someone you are relying on their desire to get your work.   Maybe that day they woke up with a headache or couldn't get a ride and they don't have a car.   Maybe they couldn't get a babysitter or heck they wanted to sleep in.   Try and not let it bother you and treat those who do show well.   Give them what you promised quickly and thank them.

Good Points

Apr 21 19 10:10 pm Link

Photographer

63fotos

Posts: 202

Alhambra, California, US

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Several years ago a model who had flaked on me a few times showed up.   I asked her what happened the other times and she told me that she was practically homeless and moved from house to house.   I noticed she had two big bags of clothes and a laptop, etc.   That young woman had a lot on her plate and my sessions at the time were last on her list.   Certainly she should have called or let me know she wasn't coming but I get it.   Do sometimes photographers say things that might turn a model off or they hear negative things from other models, sure I guess.  Does that mean they should not let us know they aren't coming, no.

Still I always reflect on what that woman told me.   Don't make or take it personally.   Never assume or presume anything.   Always ask for a confirmation call or text or email.   Keep conversations short and focused on the planned shoot.   Last always, always remember that when you aren't paying someone you are relying on their desire to get your work.   Maybe that day they woke up with a headache or couldn't get a ride and they don't have a car.   Maybe they couldn't get a babysitter or heck they wanted to sleep in.   Try and not let it bother you and treat those who do show well.   Give them what you promised quickly and thank them.

If a model contacts me, and gives me a legitimate excuse, I give her the benefit of a doubt.
If there is no contact, I figure that he/she is just rude, and like I said, not serious.

Apr 22 19 08:44 am Link

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Laura UnBound

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Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Photo Jen B wrote:

Being shitty to someone is completely different and a different issue.

Really huge difference.

I'm sorry are you really quibbling over this because you don't think the adjectives of creepy, inappropriate, or shitty cannot ever be used interchangeably to describe a person's bad behaviour? Because you wouldn't consider someone being creepy to be at the same time shitty?

ok. roll

Apr 22 19 10:39 pm Link