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Photographer

John Jebbia

Posts: 28455

Phoenix, Arizona, US

The key to getting interest is to constantly check the travel/availability notices. As far as I'm concerned, those are the only models actively seeking work. You used to be able to lurk other members' casting calls to get a sense of who was actively seeking work, but MM took away the casting call comments some time ago, so that's no longer a useful method.

Jun 29 20 12:05 am Link

Photographer

SayCheeZ!

Posts: 20020

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

John Jebbia  wrote:
The key to getting interest is to constantly check the travel/availability notices. As far as I'm concerned, those are the only models actively seeking work.

... but many of the models create a casting call or travel notice and never check in again, much less reply to legitimate offers.

Jun 29 20 08:45 am Link

Photographer

Red Sky Photography

Posts: 3755

Germantown, Maryland, US

SayCheeZ!  wrote:

... but many of the models create a casting call or travel notice and never check in again, much less reply to legitimate offers.

I have shot with mostly traveling models over the last 14 years and have never had one fail to respond to an inquiry from me about a shoot. I have found them to be professional in setting up shoots, arriving on time (even one coming during a Blizzard) and a delight to work with.

Jun 29 20 11:01 am Link

Photographer

John Jebbia

Posts: 28455

Phoenix, Arizona, US

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
... but many of the models create a casting call or travel notice and never check in again, much less reply to legitimate offers.

Nothing is foolproof, but it does increase your odds.

Know what drives me insane, is these models who sent out unsolicited work requests, which by itself I have no problem with. I actually appreciate knowing who's currently available. But then you respond that you're interested and they wait until the day before they're supposed to be here to follow up.

Jun 29 20 12:58 pm Link

Photographer

DTP - Photography

Posts: 28

Chesapeake, Virginia, US

Bob Helm Photography wrote:
Six isn't really that many/. When I was in sales they said the response rate on direct mail is about 2 %, To make one sale you needed to talk to 5 customers and to talk to five customers you need to have five appointments.

I can understand having a list of models you want to shoot, I know I do but the list that I contact is a lot longer than the just the ones I want to shoot the most.
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You make a strong point, I travel a lot and have booked more than 5 shoots in a week on a few occasions but it took over 20 people to get there. Some don't respond, some get flaky and some work out. Persistence pays off. It could be in the message. Yes there are girls on here who I've seen on here for 5 years and their profile remains active but they haven't updated a photo since I friended them 5 years ago, half the time I wonder if they're real people on the other end.

Jun 29 20 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

Weldphoto

Posts: 657

Charleston, South Carolina, US

Perhaps Mayhem should drop the free memberships. People tend to pay attention to what costs them money.

Jun 29 20 06:56 pm Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9414

Bellingham, Washington, US

Weldphoto wrote:
Perhaps Mayhem should drop the free memberships. People tend to pay attention to what costs them money.

MM brings in revenue in multiple income streams. Advertising is one of those streams and is based on membership numbers.

Facebook is free, they recently lost billions of dollars of advertising revenue because people want policies changed.

There are serious, constantly repeating coding problems/issues on Model Mayhem. So far, they've not been fixed. Take a good look at the Site Related forum and reconsider.

Do you think with a reduced income stream,  they will find a way to fix something that they haven't been able to fix with their currennt income?  (You can't charge the same amount for lower exposure to ads, they are probably paid by the click).

Or, more likely - will the people who are paying simply bail as well, since it is money spent to have problems, fewer choices, etc.?

You said it yourself - "People tend to pay attention to what costs them money."

Jun 29 20 07:27 pm Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 12940

Brooklyn, New York, US

Weldphoto wrote:
Perhaps Mayhem should drop the free memberships. People tend to pay attention to what costs them money.

That would be the bullet in the back of the head for MM
See the historical database for the entry under One Model Place

Jun 30 20 12:23 am Link

Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4608

Melbourne, Florida, US

John Jebbia  wrote:

Nothing is foolproof, but it does increase your odds.

Know what drives me insane, is these models who sent out unsolicited work requests, which by itself I have no problem with. I actually appreciate knowing who's currently available. But then you respond that you're interested and they wait until the day before they're supposed to be here to follow up.

Then you were just a backup in case someone else cancels.

Jun 30 20 12:08 pm Link

Photographer

Tony Lawrence

Posts: 21438

Chicago, Illinois, US

Weldphoto wrote:
Perhaps Mayhem should drop the free memberships. People tend to pay attention to what costs them money.

Years ago a site I still have photos on decided to charge members    Models left in droves, quickly followed by lots of photographers.   Those who decided to pay soon left because there were so few models.   When the site owner decided to allow members  have reduced photo slots for free it was too late.   Today the site gets little traffic.   Models for the most part won't pay to be members of sites and with Facebook and IG who could blame them.   My experience has been most models do this for a few weeks or months and quit.   

Photographers tend to have more $$$ and will pay but often leave or only do free memberships when they can't get models.

Jun 30 20 01:29 pm Link

Photographer

Green Wave Photo 312

Posts: 82

Chicago, Illinois, US

Weldphoto wrote:
Perhaps Mayhem should drop the free memberships. People tend to pay attention to what costs them money.

If that happened this site would definitely lose me. Also, doubtful you'd get any new models. Some traveling models might decide it's worth it. But if they were going to try that it seems the time would have been a few years ago when the site was still relevant.

My opinion is taking an opposite approach would be more attractive, allow models and photographers with free memberships to actually contact each other again.

Jun 30 20 03:26 pm Link

Photographer

John Jebbia

Posts: 28455

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Dea and the Beast wrote:
Then you were just a backup in case someone else cancels.

Well that plan is gonna backfire, with me at least. I tend to plan my shoots out and if they wait till the last minute, I usually already have someone booked.

Jun 30 20 10:18 pm Link