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kickfight

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LightDreams wrote:
4)  Viewers are able to hear Trump's doublespeak. He continues to call Nov. 3, 2020, a/k/a election day, the "real insurrection," which is a mind-blowing example of doublespeak. At his rally on Saturday night, he called the Jan. 6 committee probe "the left's new obsession."

Just wanted to focus on this specific one (although they are all accurate and very alarming), because it illustrates the stakes at hand:  a pathological liar and incompetent buffoon loser insists on promoting his thoroughly-debunked Big Lie, desperately trying to downplay his complicity in the most overt act of domestic terrorism this nation has experienced (so far)... and yet the takeaway is that the pursuit of justice is "the left's new obsession"? 

Well, actually... yes, absolutely; justice IS something worth pursuing obsessively. To do anything less is the behavior of sniveling cowards and traitors, of despicable allies of terror, of the kind of people who should never be allowed access to any position of power in this country ever again. They have shown, with no ambiguity whatsoever, who they really are, so there's no longer any need for doubt or second-guessing or considering any question of any possible misapprehension. There is certainly no middle ground in this situation. If "the left" doesn't push every one of the Big-Lie-advocates out of office, and doesn't commit to ensuring that they are kept out of office in perpetuity, then yes... the risk is that this country may swiftly degrade into an anti-democratic white-supremacist ideologically-regressive fascist state.

We must do everything we can to prevent that from happening, because that's precisely where we are now. It's our entire democracy that's at stake.

Oct 11 21 05:47 pm Link

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Paolo D Photography

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San Francisco, California, US

the confusion is all part of implementing a new direction.
"we" dont change anything.

Oct 12 21 12:10 am Link

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kickfight

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Portland, Oregon, US

Paolo D Photography wrote:
the confusion is all part of implementing a new direction.

Is any aspect of reality really that "confusing", though? Everything seems pretty unambiguous, actually.

Paolo D Photography wrote:
"we" dont change anything.

If that were true, then we'd still be British subjects.

But it's not, so we aren't.

Oct 12 21 12:38 am Link

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LightDreams

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Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Paolo D Photography wrote:
the confusion is all part of implementing a new direction.
"we" dont change anything.

We CERTAINLY all understand what Trump's "New Direction" is...

Oct 12 21 10:08 am Link

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Focuspuller

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Los Angeles, California, US

kickfight wrote:
If "the left" doesn't push every one of the Big-Lie-advocates out of office, and doesn't commit to ensuring that they are kept out of office in perpetuity, then yes... the risk is that this country may swiftly degrade into an anti-democratic white-supremacist ideologically-regressive fascist state.

We must do everything we can to prevent that from happening, because that's precisely where we are now. It's our entire democracy that's at stake.

Actually, the situation is dire enough that even so-called "moderates" should be fully engaged as well. Wake up, Americans, actual fascists are on the march and IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!

Oct 12 21 11:17 am Link

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Hunter GWPB

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King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

Like I said: Rightist economics.  The Republican invective of whipping out their boogiemen claiming that immigration, legal and otherwise, hurts American workers and minimum wage hikes hurt American workers is contested by research.



“The GOP’s ideology doesn’t match economic reality. Just ask one of this year’s Nobel Prize winners.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … e-winners/



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… (All three Nobel winners worked in the field of “natural experiments,” looking at real-world examples to inform their findings.) It turns out the ideological agenda of the GOP does not hold up all that well to scrutiny.

While immigration restrictionists still cling to the idea it is a zero-sum labor market in which every job “taken” is “lost” by someone else, it’s clear the research is mixed at best.

As the Cato Institute’s Alex Nowrasteh explains, the current debate among academics has boiled down to the tiny impact immigration has on a small sliver (9 percent) of the workforce that has no high school diploma. For other American workers, immigration studies have found that immigrants boosted those workers’ wages for a net gain in wage growth. Anti-immigrant right-wingers will insist this is not true. They remain firmly attached to an economic argument, however flawed, that supports their cultural and racial aversion to immigrants.

On the minimum wage, Card looked at the difference between New Jersey workers, whose state’s minimum wage increased, and Pennsylvania workers just across the border, where the minimum wage was not raised. It turned out, as MarketWatch explained, that “raising the minimum wage didn’t necessarily cause businesses to lay off workers and hurt employment. Before [Card’s] famous study, economists almost universally believed increasing the minimum wage cost jobs.”

It is now a legitimate subject of debate rather than an ironclad rule that any increase in minimum wages winds up hurting the people it is intended to help.

We see other instances in which right-wing ideology leads to faulty economic conclusions. For months, Republicans and many in the media who parroted their arguments insisted generous unemployment benefits were keeping people from working. (This assumes people are lazy and more inclined to get something for nothing.) Sure enough, this turned out to be dead wrong.

States that ended higher unemployment benefits showed little discernible bump in employment as compared with states that maintained the benefit. In early September, about 7.5 million Americans lost the entire federal subsidy, while 3 million had their unemployment checks cut $300 each week. Nevertheless, fewer than 200,000 jobs were added in September — less than what was projected for the month. Maybe generous safety net spending does not undermine work, but ending such benefits prematurely does inflict needless suffering on the most vulnerable.

The Nobel Prize recipient and other evidence-based economists teach us an important lesson: Be wary of economic arguments that perfectly (and emphatically!) align with those who pay no heed to inequality, express hostility to government and think trickle-down economics is the way to increase prosperity. Real life is more complicated. Depriving those in need of modest help (e.g., a slightly higher wage, subsidized child care) and barring able-bodied immigrants from entering the country lack solid economic justification. Such an approach not only hurts working-class Americans, but deprives the entire country of the benefits of more productive and better-educated workers.

Oct 12 21 03:19 pm Link

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Focuspuller

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Los Angeles, California, US

And isn''t it interesting that the greatest era for the middle class in America was the Cold War? You know, when Capitalism was challenged to demonstrate how much superior it was to Communism in providing for the working class in the battle for the hearts and minds of the "unaligned" nations? Remember Nixon's gloating to Khrushschev about Americans' washing machines? The demise of the Soviet Union, while good for world peace, (temporarily, anyway) solidified and unleashed Capitalism as the dominant economic system, with the resultant meteoric rise in income inequality we see today. The rich have never been richer, while the middle class withers and the poor driven to homelessness, condemned as "losers" in the rigged casino otherwise known as late stage capitalism.

Oct 12 21 03:55 pm Link

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63fotos

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Alhambra, California, US

kickfight wrote:

Just wanted to focus on this specific one (although they are all accurate and very alarming), because it illustrates the stakes at hand:  a pathological liar and incompetent buffoon loser insists on promoting his thoroughly-debunked Big Lie, desperately trying to downplay his complicity in the most overt act of domestic terrorism this nation has experienced (so far)... and yet the takeaway is that the pursuit of justice is "the left's new obsession"? 

Well, actually... yes, absolutely; justice IS something worth pursuing obsessively. To do anything less is the behavior of sniveling cowards and traitors, of despicable allies of terror, of the kind of people who should never be allowed access to any position of power in this country ever again. They have shown, with no ambiguity whatsoever, who they really are, so there's no longer any need for doubt or second-guessing or considering any question of any possible misapprehension. There is certainly no middle ground in this situation. If "the left" doesn't push every one of the Big-Lie-advocates out of office, and doesn't commit to ensuring that they are kept out of office in perpetuity, then yes... the risk is that this country may swiftly degrade into an anti-democratic white-supremacist ideologically-regressive fascist state.

We must do everything we can to prevent that from happening, because that's precisely where we are now. It's our entire democracy that's at stake.

It boggles the mind that a twice impeached president could be elected again. If he is elected again you can blame two groups of people. Moderate republicans, and democrats.

Oct 13 21 08:29 am Link

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Focuspuller

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Los Angeles, California, US

63fotos wrote:
It boggles the mind that a twice impeached president could be elected again. If he is elected again you can blame two groups of people. Moderate republicans, and democrats.

If Orange Mussolini is elected again, it is the fault of the American ignoranti and the pernicious plutocrats who enthrall them.

Oct 13 21 12:04 pm Link

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kickfight

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Portland, Oregon, US

63fotos wrote:
It boggles the mind that a twice impeached president could be elected again.

It was utterly irrational that he could be elected in the first place, but there ya go... that's the expected outcome of mass delusion run amok.

63fotos wrote:
If he is elected again you can blame two groups of people. Moderate republicans, and democrats.

Agreed. It's totally on us if America becomes a totalitarian fundamentalist dystopia, because we do have the power to prevent that from happening. If we don't exert that power to hold back the terrorists by any means necessary, then we've failed our duty to this nation.

Oct 13 21 02:23 pm Link

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LightDreams

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TO ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS:  PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR LEADER

(I swear this is absolutely real, as tempting as it is to believe otherwise)

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"Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24.  It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do."

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I say again, PLEASE, OH PLEASE, LISTEN TO YOUR LEADER.  It will go a LONG way in terms of "Saving America".   Seriously.

He's clearly thought this out with his usual intellectual level of strategic clarity and I have no doubt that he will tell you that he knows exactly what he's doing.  So please don't disappoint him by voting.   As he said, it is "the single most important thing for Republicans to do". 

I never thought I'd say this, but I 100% endorse precisely what Trump is instructing you to do, without the slightest hesitation on my part.   He truly is a MUCH wiser man than I thought, and clearly is putting the country first.    And I suspect that many others here will join me in endorsing his position.

For the good of the country.

Oct 13 21 10:35 pm Link

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rfordphotos

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Antioch, California, US

LightDreams wrote:
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"Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24.  It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do."

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[...].

Oh lord I hope SOMEONE got a picture of Mitch McConnell's face when he heard that bit of news...

Oct 14 21 12:31 pm Link

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Hunter GWPB

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King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
"Been seeing cobra effects ...."  Oh, cool, you found another opportunity to use one of your favorite expressions.  You understand that bounties are a favorite tactic of conservatives?  Like the recently enacted bounties on abortion providers in Texas.  It will be interesting to see how that plays out when the young ladies of Texas start dying in botched abortions and the state welfare agencies are overrun with children that no one wants.

nwprophoto  wrote:
Great red herring!

The Republicans build the entitlement society by denying abortions to those who can’t afford to have babies.  A significant number of abortions are due to financial considerations, right or wrong, that is an overwhelming motivation.  Forcing children to be born with a law that is currently unconstitutional, the state should be obligated to pay all medical expenses and all life long child rearing expenses which will provide a resonable standard of living at or about the median income level (it should certainly be sufficient to maintain the child's living standard to be above the poverty line), including the tuition and expenses for the best college or university the child can get into.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ … story.html

Oct 16 21 05:44 pm Link