Photographer

DD Little

Posts: 7

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

Are you kidding me?  Model photography 101.  No escorts of any kind.  If anything the photographer should have a female makeup artist or assistant on set to help the photographer and the model.

Oct 27 21 02:42 am Link

Photographer

Camera Buff

Posts: 853

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Covid-19 is one hell of a good reason to keep the number of people at photoshoots to an absolute minimum. Even then there are safety protocols that need to be followed by those who are needed on set.

Oct 27 21 07:16 am Link

Model

Ashley M

Posts: 1

Phoenix, Arizona, US

As a female there is no reason to have an escort in today's world IMO.   Very easy to research people with a few quick clicks and if you're that concerned with a photog then best not to shoot with them.   Common sense should be applied here, unfortunately there is a shortage of it on earth.

Oct 28 21 10:22 am Link

Photographer

JSouthworth

Posts: 90

Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom

This is something that gets debated a lot in the UK where escorts are referred to as chaperones. As a photographer I've done shoots with and without them present. I think you have to use your judgement, in most cases it's OK but if you have reason to believe that the model might bring some idiot to the shoot who's going to cause problems, then you have to say no even if it means losing the shoot. The escort/chaperone should be a mature person with previous experience of working in this role.

Oct 28 21 11:13 am Link

Photographer

JSouthworth

Posts: 90

Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom

Ashley M wrote:
As a female there is no reason to have an escort in today's world IMO.   Very easy to research people with a few quick clicks and if you're that concerned with a photog then best not to shoot with them.   Common sense should be applied here, unfortunately there is a shortage of it on earth.

Not so simple. References (on UK modelling sites anyway) are completely unreliable. The best way to assess the credibility of a photographer would be to contact the models who have worked with them recently, I think.

Oct 29 21 04:15 am Link

Photographer

JSouthworth

Posts: 90

Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom

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Oct 29 21 10:38 am Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13099

Brooklyn, New York, US

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Oct 31 21 05:47 pm Link

Photographer

HOTTIE SHOTS

Posts: 6010

Memphis, Tennessee, US

Escort threads used to be so fun.  Very strong opinions.  I thought MM banned them.

Anyway, I don't like BF's as they interfere.  And the model wants to please her BF.  I don't mind Husbands, as they usually keep their mouth shut.  Because they want to please their wife.  But I always encourage models who want escorts to bring another model or three, so they will have company that won't interfere.

But really escorts are just a part of the deal. If I don't want them and the model does, then we can't reach a deal on the shoot and we both move on.

Oct 31 21 07:10 pm Link

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JSouthworth

Posts: 90

Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom

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Nov 21 21 02:45 am Link

Model

Britney Siren

Posts: 166

Los Angeles, California, US

not wrong at all... seems like you're just setting clear boundaries b/c of issues in the past. It seems reasonable to be able to bring another female if you're not 100% sure.

Nov 23 21 01:37 pm Link

Photographer

Flex Photography

Posts: 6437

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

JSouthworth wrote:
Not so simple. References (on UK modelling sites anyway) are completely unreliable. The best way to assess the credibility of a photographer would be to contact the models who have worked with them recently, I think.

Due to past experiences, It has long been my policy to mainly shoot one-on-one with models. The very few exceptions are either an underage model, (parent required by me) or a model with physical limitations requiring an assistant. A required member of the shoot team, such as a MUA, would be an obvious addition.

Models considering a new shoot have the responsibility to do their due diligence and investigate the photographer who is unknown to them. Initially, check their profile and portfolio to see if they match the styles that are sought. As mentioned above, contact directly some of their previous models, asking about their character and professional conduct. I make this easier for them by linking my models under the portfolio images, and also listing all of my Mayhem models in my profile. (including MM number) I also indicate those with repeat or multiple shoots. (generally a very good sign.) Google the photographer. During the exchange of messages for planning, models should note any negative vibes.

if the model has done the proper research, and all results are positive, then they should be good to proceed without a "bodyguard". If they are still nervous to shoot, then do not shoot. If I feel that doubt (or fear), I would myself avoid them, as there would not be an atmosphere of trust, and results would not be good. In either case, another body, not part of the shoot, does not fix it.

It can be difficult to coordinate both a model and photographer to agree on a date/time for a shoot. Adding a third person, (unknown to me) makes it that much more of a challenge.

In the rare cases that I did allow a bystander, it was with very strict conditions. They could not talk, use their phone, suggest poses or shots, move around, distract, (the model or myself), interrupt, or cause the shoot to be cut short. They could not be behind me, or in the model's direct sight line. Indoors, they would likely need to be in another room. (In hotel room shoots, no escort, as the only other room is the bathroom, which we need during the 2-3 hour shoot.)

Both model and "guest" were made very aware that any violation of those shoot conditions, would mean an immediate suspension of the shoot, with no photos suppled, and no reshoot. It took only a small number of those early spoiled shoots, to result in my "no escort" policy.

That said, what is allowed by myself, and most photographers, is the use of a "driver",  They drive or travel with the model to the shoot, can walk them in and say Hi (while also checking that it looks legit), and then they leave to wait somewhere nearby, during the actual shoot duration. They would be in cell contact if needed, and would pick up the model at the end. Totally fine. Aside from using a driver, a fair number of my models were transported by me to and from the shoot. All are alive and well, most wanting another shoot. Actually, being a senior, shooting mostly with young fit model, I am perhaps the one who should consider a bodyguard. lol

In the case of the BF or husband pretending to be the model, I would cancel a shoot, based on the dishonesty of the BF and the model not informing me of such. I do not put up with deception.

Nov 23 21 03:43 pm Link

Photographer

JSouthworth

Posts: 90

Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom

Flex Photography wrote:
Due to past experiences, It has long been my policy to mainly shoot one-on-one with models. The very few exceptions are either an underage model, (parent required by me) or a model with physical limitations requiring an assistant. A required member of the shoot team, such as a MUA, would be an obvious addition.

Models considering a new shoot have the responsibility to do their due diligence and investigate the photographer who is unknown to them. Initially, check their profile and portfolio to see if they match the styles that are sought. As mentioned above, contact directly some of their previous models, asking about their character and professional conduct. I make this easier for them by linking my models under the portfolio images, and also listing all of my Mayhem models in my profile. (including MM number) I also indicate those with repeat or multiple shoots. (generally a very good sign.) Google the photographer. During the exchange of messages for planning, models should note any negative vibes.

if the model has done the proper research, and all results are positive, then they should be good to proceed without a "bodyguard". If they are still nervous to shoot, then do not shoot. If I feel that doubt (or fear), I would myself avoid them, as there would not be an atmosphere of trust, and results would not be good. In either case, another body, not part of the shoot, does not fix it.

It can be difficult to coordinate both a model and photographer to agree on a date/time for a shoot. Adding a third person, (unknown to me) makes it that much more of a challenge.

In the rare cases that I did allow a bystander, it was with very strict conditions. They could not talk, use their phone, suggest poses or shots, move around, distract, (the model or myself), interrupt, or cause the shoot to be cut short. They could not be behind me, or in the model's direct sight line. Indoors, they would likely need to be in another room. (In hotel room shoots, no escort, as the only other room is the bathroom, which we need during the 2-3 hour shoot.)

Both model and "guest" were made very aware that any violation of those shoot conditions, would mean an immediate suspension of the shoot, with no photos suppled, and no reshoot. It took only a small number of those early spoiled shoots, to result in my "no escort" policy.

That said, what is allowed by myself, and most photographers, is the use of a "driver",  They drive or travel with the model to the shoot, can walk them in and say Hi (while also checking that it looks legit), and then they leave to wait somewhere nearby, during the actual shoot duration. They would be in cell contact if needed, and would pick up the model at the end. Totally fine. Aside from using a driver, a fair number of my models were transported by me to and from the shoot. All are alive and well, most wanting another shoot. Actually, being a senior, shooting mostly with young fit model, I am perhaps the one who should consider a bodyguard. lol

In the case of the BF or husband pretending to be the model, I would cancel a shoot, based on the dishonesty of the BF and the model not informing me of such. I do not put up with deception.

When full time models tour the UK, they sometimes take their partner with them to share driving duties and also to chaperone or escort them, that's quite normal.
What you have to be wary of the UK is the model bringing along to the shoot, some dirtbag who their income is keeping in drugs.
Police traps are another thing. A couple of undercover police officers may come to your home posing as model and escort. Soliciting for prostitution is a criminal offence in the UK, so if you offer the model money for fun and games, they'll arrest you. Legally, you have to make the suggestion. It seems to me that the police in the UK waste a lot of time and public money pursuing people for minor offences when they should be concentrating on prosecuting people for the more serious offences of rape and sexual assault, given that the incidence of these crimes has rocketed in recent years.

Nov 25 21 03:02 am Link

Photographer

C.C. Holdings

Posts: 850

Los Angeles, California, US

HOTTIE SHOTS wrote:
Escort threads used to be so fun.  Very strong opinions.  I thought MM banned them.

Anyway, I don't like BF's as they interfere.  And the model wants to please her BF.  I don't mind Husbands, as they usually keep their mouth shut.  Because they want to please their wife.  But I always encourage models who want escorts to bring another model or three, so they will have company that won't interfere.

But really escorts are just a part of the deal. If I don't want them and the model does, then we can't reach a deal on the shoot and we both move on.

Tennessee problems

Nov 25 21 08:42 am Link

Photographer

C.C. Holdings

Posts: 850

Los Angeles, California, US

My contribution to this thread is that in my experience most models do not bring additional guests.

The models that do bring additional guests know that it is contentious and often bring it up last minute. These are tests as your questioning of it just confirms their toxic view of reality that everyone and every situation is scary. They believe their behavior is normal and what everyone else does.

My way around this is basically predicting. Models that are doing anything expensive like booking local accommodations? Not alone. I tell them that it would help me be more accommodating and hospitable if I know about guests in advance (not in those exact words). Basically a way of reminding them about a normal courtesy that would be extended to friends or colleagues, and not one explicitly about "man alone with woman" which is the common circumstance.

Nov 25 21 08:47 am Link

Photographer

JSouthworth

Posts: 90

Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom

Booking a shoot with two or more models is usually a good idea if you can afford it, I did a duo shoot last year and it went quite well. Having a female companion with them will usually help a model's confidence, they have more security and you can shoot a wider range of picture ideas.

Nov 25 21 09:18 am Link