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Focuspuller

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LightDreams wrote:
I'm afraid that I'm going to respectfully disagree...

I think of the skills required to do high-end I.T. work.  A tremendous problem solving ability, a rigorous adherence to logic with the ability to quickly narrow down and eliminate everything that doesn't actually apply to a specific problem, combined with an openness to everything that may actually be a factor (at least until eliminated), and a constant internal "feed-back loop" of new approaches versus results, etc, until the problem is solved.

I.E.  A scientific mind that is analytical, flexible and very effective at dealing with all kinds of problems and threats.

I just don't buy it.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's a field where stubbornly holding on to preconceived ideas, regardless of the evidence, would be absolutely fatal career-wise.

Not too mention all those wild conspiracy theories...

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Personally, I suspect that the John Southworth listing that I previously found (when researching the chatbot scenario), which was someone who spent the last 10 years as a photographer with Hullcamera (LONG before chatbots got "serious"), sounded much more likely.

But that's just my opinion.

OR:

A "Threat Intelligence Manager" could conceivably be running a chatbot with algorithms to test various response believability scenarios as a research project identifying successful response algorithms for both defense and offense.

In which case, we have seen what fails.

Feb 28 23 09:36 am Link

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I'd suggest that there's a problem when it comes to AGE.

Remember, the John Southworth that we are talking about and his complaints about (from memory), what was it, the "Marxist" union leaders (or something like that) way back in the 1980's visiting the Russian embassy, or something like that?   The one obsessed with communist strikes around the U.K. to bring down the country, or something.  Also obsessed with old military WWII battleships.

So take your best guestimate of age, and compare it to the man shown in the photograph from Price Waterhouse Cooper (PWC).  I.E.  John Southworth, the "Principal Threat Intelligence Analyst at PwC UK" that you can see at the link below:

https://www.first.org/conference/2022/p … A-Workshop

He has given lots of speeches on his area of expertise.  But, so far, I can't find any related to AI personalities, testing, etc.

But regardless, take your BEST GUESS as to the AGE RANGE of the TWO "John Southworths".  Compare their styles of speaking and writing, etc (see his summary of his talk beside his picture) and decide for yourself.

Is this the man that, as a sideline, hobby, or whatever, took the photographs in John Southworth's MM portfolio?  What's the general skill level of each (for whatever they're learning how to do)?  Their judgment and ability to head off making any posts public that clearly have serious legally defamatory claims (however generated)?  The one that's listed as a photographer starting back in 2013?  And the one that we actually hear from (at least some of the time) in the forums?

That they are one and the same?

I'm sorry but I just don't buy it.



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P.S.  This is probably a good time to remind everyone of Occam's Razor...

Feb 28 23 10:29 am Link

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P R E S T O N

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Modelphilia wrote:
Things just got A LOT more interesting!

We aren't exactly dealing with an amateur here
      –excepting with respect to his photographic "skills" of course.

Anyone care to have some fun digging a little deeper into dear old Southy?

https://uk.linkedin.com › in › john-southworth-0325b946
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Oh, Hi Johnny-Boy! How ya doin' kid?

Here's the 'real' JSouthworth:

https://purpleport.com/portfolio/jsouthworth

https://twitter.com/JohnSou74706125

I think you'll easily recognise him. His twitter amply demonstrates his nature and stupidity; riddled with vile and baseless statements, opinion and invective, oh and conspiracy theories.

You may more easily see Libby Squire's poor mum plead with him to stop in her replies to Southy's incessant tweets about her murdered daughter here:

https://twitter.com/lisasquire7/with_replies

Guys, he's the real McCoy. It's not often you'll find one alive and kicking in the wild.

Feb 28 23 11:26 am Link

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LightDreams

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P R E S T O N wrote:
Here's the 'real' JSouthworth:

https://purpleport.com/portfolio/jsouthworth
...

Guys, he's the real McCoy. It's not often you'll find one alive and kicking in the wild.

Thank-you for that.  I'd also note that Purpleport lists him as being 59 years old.

Certainly not the John Southworth shown in the PwC UK Security Analyst photo.

Feb 28 23 11:30 am Link

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P R E S T O N

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Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

LightDreams wrote:

Thank-you for that.  I'd also note that Purpleport lists him as being 59 years old.

Certainly not the John Southworth shown in the PwC UK Security Analyst photo.

Nope, that's not him.

He might have lied about his age on Purpleport, but based on the photos I've seen of Southy late 50s to mid/late 60s is about right.

Feb 28 23 11:51 am Link

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Modelphilia

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LightDreams wrote:
I'm afraid that I'm going to respectfully disagree...
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Personally, I suspect that the John Southworth listing that I previously found (when researching the chatbot scenario), which was someone who spent the last 10 years as a photographer with Hullcamera (LONG before chatbots got "serious"), sounded much more likely.

P R E S T O N wrote:
Guys, he's the real McCoy. It's not often you'll find one alive and kicking in the wild.

LightDreams wrote:
Thank-you for that.  I'd also note that Purpleport lists him as being 59 years old.

Certainly not the John Southworth shown in the PwC UK Security Analyst photo.

P R E S T O N wrote:
He might have lied about his age on Purpleport, but based on the photos I've seen of Southy late 50s to mid/late 60s is about right.

Thanks for all of your sleuthing and reasoning guys, and for resolving the major questions. You both had a lot more information than I did when imagining possible scenarios.

As for Southy's age, he signed up for Purpleport eight years ago, and may have never changed his profile. Thus, he could now be 67 years old, taking his declared age as true back then. I'm still not sure though (LD) what his age has to do with his cut-and-paste WW-II-information posts. Even at sixty-seven he would still be way too young to have been alive then although, like many a few years older than him, he could have fixated on that period in history.

I'm satisfied that you have outed him though, Preston, so thanks for the legwork. At least no one need answer him ever again.

The question for the future though is whether any of this will convince the old boy to "put a cork in it".

Bets? ...Bets?

Feb 28 23 07:51 pm Link

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P R E S T O N

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Modelphilia wrote:
Thanks for all of your sleuthing and reasoning guys, and for resolving the major questions. You both had a lot more information than I did when imagining possible scenarios.

As for Southy's age, he signed up for Purpleport eight years ago, and may have never changed his profile. Thus, he could now be 67 years old, taking his declared age as true back then. I'm still not sure though (LD) what his age has to do with his cut-and-paste WW-II-information posts. Even at sixty-seven he would still be way too young to have been alive then although, like many a few years older than him, he could have fixated on that period in history.

I'm satisfied that you have outed him though, Preston, so thanks for the legwork. At least no one need answer him ever again.

The question for the future though is whether any of this will convince the old boy to "put a cork in it".

Bets? ...Bets?

I'm afraid I can't take the credit for sleuthing since Southy outed himself by sending me threatening messages on Purpleport - so absolutely no sleuthing effort was expended by me. Why he'd choose to send me threatening messages over there though, rather than on MM, is a mystery to me.

As to bets - it wouldn't be fair of me to place one as I've already seen Southy's performances on other modelling sites, and hence I already know how this will pan out. Suffice to say that you ain't seen nothin' yet!

Have fun smile

Mar 01 23 06:06 am Link

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JSouthworth

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I was watching an old US Navy film from 1964, Red Chinese Battle Plan, which documents the rise of Chinese communism and Mao's strategy for global revolution. This is included in the six DVD set, Vietnam; The Ultimate Retrospective, it's also available on the web. Worth a look if you want some historical background on today's events.

Maoist strategy was adopted by the Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany, who envisaged the "frontlines of revolutionary struggle" in Africa and South America as gradually getting closer to the centers of capitalism.

Meanwhile the Russians are talking about nuclear war again, probably in an attempt to escalate political tension.

Mar 04 23 03:11 am Link

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JSouthworth

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P R E S T O N wrote:

Nope, that's not him.

He might have lied about his age on Purpleport, but based on the photos I've seen of Southy late 50s to mid/late 60s is about right.

Of the two of us, I'm the one who can use his real name on internet websites. You have profiles under different names on PurplePort, Twitter and a couple of other sites.

Mar 04 23 03:17 am Link

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P R E S T O N

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JSouthworth wrote:

Of the two of us, I'm the one who can use his real name on internet websites. You have profiles under different names on PurplePort, Twitter and a couple of other sites.

Hey, dumbo, my real name is Preston. But shhhh, don't tell anybody.

Twonk.

Mar 04 23 05:03 am Link

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JSouthworth

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Bakhmut in Eastern Ukraine had a population of 70,000 at the start of the Russian invasion, which would make it a small to medium sized town by most people's standards. Russian and Ukrainian forces have now been fighting for it's possession continuously for months.

This is the type of situation in which the Ukrainians can potentially use their artillery, in conjunction with drones for spotting targets and making corrections, to inflict heavy losses on the Russian infantry and armor when they concentrate for an attack, and also on the Russian artillery if they have an effective counter-battery capability.

The Ukrainians are not completely dependant on NATO for artillery systems, they have a number of artillery rocket systems which they've developed themselves, in some cases using the legacy Russian systems, the 300mm Smerch and the 220mm Uragan as a starting point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bakhmut

Mar 06 23 04:48 am Link

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JSouthworth

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Proof here that members of the RMT rail union are supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine;

https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/thou … n-ukraine/

They may claim to oppose war in principle, but because they're protesting against the UK government's policy of providing military assistance to Ukraine, they're effectively supporting Russia. The Russians are showing little willingness to pull their troops out, so as things stand the only way to end the war is to forcibly expel them. No-one can say with certainty how long that will take; we could be looking at a conflict that lasts five, ten or fifteen years.

This is why there needs to be an ongoing process of evaluating in detail the performance of the Ukrainian armed forces, their tactics and equipment, so that they can be optimized and also so that NATO's tactics and equipment can be improved.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was a blatant violation of international law, they have to expect to pay a penalty for that, otherwise international law itself is meaningless.

Mar 11 23 07:45 am Link

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JSouthworth

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On the Eastern Front in WW2, especially in the early years from 1941 to 1943, the Germans were repeatedly able to defeat the Russians in maneuvering warfare, taking advantage of their skill and experience acquired in earlier campaigns, but by 1944 it had become a war of attrition in which the Russians had the advantage, because they could manufacture tanks and guns, shells and rockets in greater quantities than the Germans.

In the long term, the Ukrainians will always be defending in strategic terms, so it makes sense for them to focus on defensive warfare, with an emphasis on inflicting sufficient casualties to demoralise the Russian forces and destroy their will to continue fighting. Effective use of artillery is key to this. The Ukrainians can use their mobile forces in limited attacks to pressurize, to force the Russians to deploy their units forward within artillery range.

The success of this strategy of course depends on Ukrainian superiority in artillery and air defense, this is something that is achievable with a major industrial effort on the part of the US and Western Europe.

In a sense it could be said that the surest way for the Ukrainians to win this war is to avoid losing it for long enough. There is a tendency for people to think about warfare in romantic terms of dashing attacks and sweeping counteroffensives but the usual reality for the front line soldier is one of day to day survival in horrible conditions, former US Marine E.B Sledge emphasizes this in his book With the Old Breed; in Peleliu and Okinawa. Sledge is also clear on the point that having to endure enemy artillery barrages was the worst aspect of this experience.

Mar 12 23 06:59 am Link

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Focuspuller

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JSouthworth wrote:
Proof here that members of the RMT rail union are supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine;

https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/thou … n-ukraine/

Proof? You don't know the meaning of the word. The link YOU provided shows a demonstration with marchers holding a banner which CLEARLY reads: "NO TO THE RUSSIAN INVASION". Oh, and contrary to one of your previous ravings, there isnt a SINGLE poster of Marx, Mao, or Putin.

Mar 13 23 07:21 pm Link

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JSouthworth

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Good article here about the use of drones in Ukraine;

https://www.engineering.com/story/have- … s-obsolete

As is pointed out, a militarily useful drone can be produced for US $25,000 which is a lot less than the cost of a manned fighter (US 115,000,000) or a surface to air missile (US 250,000).

The continuing battle for Bakhmut is an obvious example of a situation in which we would expect the Russians to try to leverage their air power to gain an advantage on the ground, but if they are, it isn't having much effect.

The RAF have tried to blame poor quality pilots for Russian air force losses in Ukraine, which is disingenuous because once an aircraft has been acquired by an air defense system and a surface to air missile is on the way, the outcome is determined mainly by technical factors, particularly the sophistication of the SAM's guidance system in relation to the effectiveness of the aircraft's countermeasures systems. It is not physically possible for the manned aircraft to out-turn the SAM within the fighter's +12/-4 g stress limits, and any attempt by the pilot to do so would be overridden by the aircraft's fly-by-wire control system to prevent structural failure.

It should be added that the RAF were not very successful in providing close air support to the British Army in Afghanistan, particularly after the Harriers were withdrawn and replaced by Tornado aircraft. The limitations of fast jet aircraft in this role were in fact fully apparent in Vietnam 50 years ago.

Mar 14 23 05:31 am Link

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JSouthworth

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The recent, apparently intentional destruction of a USAF reconnaissance drone by a Russian fighter in a ramming attack over the Black Sea may have some positive outcomes if it encourages the US military to at least think about providing it's unmanned aircraft with air to air combat capability.

What probably happened is that the Russian fighter positioned it's wingtip under that of the drone and then flipped it over. A possible countermove would be to suddenly steer into the fighter and slide over it, crushing the cockpit canopy and destroying the tailfins for a certain kill. The nose radome is another weak point on the fighter, like the canopy it is only strong enough to withstand bird strikes.

Mar 14 23 04:19 pm Link

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Focuspuller

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JSouthworth wrote:
The recent, apparently intentional destruction of a USAF reconnaissance drone by a Russian fighter in a ramming attack over the Black Sea may have some positive outcomes if it encourages the US military to at least think about providing it's unmanned aircraft with air to air combat capability.

What probably happened is that the Russian fighter positioned it's wingtip under that of the drone and then flipped it over. A possible countermove would be to suddenly steer into the fighter and slide over it, crushing the cockpit canopy and destroying the tailfins for a certain kill. The nose radome is another weak point on the fighter, like the canopy it is only strong enough to withstand bird strikes.

"What probably happened is..." 

You have NO IDEA what happened.

" A possible countermove would be ..."

You're a drone tactics expert, now?  Wow, is there ANYTHING you don't feel qualified to pontificate upon?

Mar 15 23 09:18 am Link

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JQuest

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JSouthworth wrote:
The recent, apparently intentional destruction of a USAF reconnaissance drone by a Russian fighter in a ramming attack over the Black Sea may have some positive outcomes if it encourages the US military to at least think about providing it's unmanned aircraft with air to air combat capability.

What probably happened is that the Russian fighter positioned it's wingtip under that of the drone and then flipped it over. A possible countermove would be to suddenly steer into the fighter and slide over it, crushing the cockpit canopy and destroying the tailfins for a certain kill. The nose radome is another weak point on the fighter, like the canopy it is only strong enough to withstand bird strikes.

One would think it would be incredibly difficult to "crush the cockpit canopy" of an aircraft that doesn't have an onboard cockpit but uses a ground control station for its pilots, but keep on demonstrating your ability to try and bullshit your way through any topic while exposing your ignorance when you have absolutely no knowledge of what actually happened.

Mar 15 23 01:01 pm Link

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P R E S T O N

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JSouthworth wrote:
What probably happened is that the Russian fighter positioned it's wingtip under that of the drone and then flipped it over. A possible countermove would be to suddenly steer into the fighter and slide over it, crushing the cockpit canopy and destroying the tailfins for a certain kill. The nose radome is another weak point on the fighter, like the canopy it is only strong enough to withstand bird strikes.

What probably happened is that the Russian fighter positioned it's wingtip under that of the drone and then flipped it over.

Hey Southy, that notion (as well as the rest of the paragraph which contains it) is beyond stupid.

The Russian pilot either lost control and careered into the back of the drone or, more likely, the drone operator attempted evasive manoeuvres which took the drone into the path of the Russian pilot who was unable to avoid it due to his poor flying skills and/or poor judgement about the capabilities of his aircraft. In other words, the Russian pilot's stupidity came within a whisker of getting him killed - Darwin will get him next time.

Mar 16 23 04:05 am Link

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Even though video footage of the actual encounter has now been released and plainly shows the Russian running into the back of the drone while trying to dump jet fuel on it. I fully expect JSouthworth will enlighten us as to how that isn’t really what happened and will double down on his imaginary cockpit crushing theory.

Mar 16 23 06:37 am Link

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JSouthworth

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JQuest wrote:
Even though video footage of the actual encounter has now been released and plainly shows the Russian running into the back of the drone while trying to dump jet fuel on it. I fully expect JSouthworth will enlighten us as to how that isn’t really what happened and will double down on his imaginary cockpit crushing theory.

Basically, the Russian pilots were trying to down the drone without firing at it, and on this occasion they were successful, but two can play at that game.

Mar 17 23 02:44 am Link

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JSouthworth

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Most of the media seem to have overlooked the significance of a recent  statement by Dmitry Medvedev, that Russian forces would "fight to the Polish border". The first official statement to the effect that the Russian objective in Ukraine is to invade and occupy the whole country.

Mar 17 23 02:47 am Link

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P R E S T O N

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JSouthworth wrote:
Most of the media seem to have overlooked the significance of a recent  statement by Dmitry Medvedev, that Russian forces would "fight to the Polish border". The first official statement to the effect that the Russian objective in Ukraine is to invade and occupy the whole country.

To quote Biden recently - "we have significant intelligence capability", and the UK is part of that. Thank god, otherwise we might have to rely on the opinions of ignorant people like you who are easily influenced by propaganda.

Mar 17 23 04:44 am Link

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JQuest

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JSouthworth wrote:
Basically, the Russian pilots were trying to down the drone without firing at it, and on this occasion they were successful, but two can play at that game.

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Mar 17 23 06:06 am Link

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JSouthworth

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During the Vietnam War, there were apparently occasions when US helicopter crews tried to bring down North Vietnamese helicopters despite orders not to fire at them. They would fly above them and try to drop toolboxes on them.

The war in Ukraine has already seen the use of "kamikaze" drones by the Russians. The original kamikaze in the Second World War were best known for their attacks on shipping, but numerous aircraft including Boeing B29 Superfortress heavy bombers were also destroyed in suicidal ramming attacks by Japanese fighters.

If a small, shoulder-launched missile can destroy a manned fighter, so can a small drone, or unmanned combat aircraft. The impact of a 250 kg jet propelled drone would potentially cause catastrophic damage even at a closing speed of less than 100 knots, particularly if it occurred on a vulnerable part of the aircraft such as the cockpit canopy, the nose radome, or the tailfins or the jet nozzles at the rear of the aircraft.

Mar 17 23 01:47 pm Link

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JQuest

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JSouthworth wrote:
If a small, shoulder-launched missile can destroy a manned fighter, so can a small drone, or unmanned combat aircraft. The impact of a 250 kg jet propelled drone would potentially cause catastrophic damage even at a closing speed of less than 100 knots, particularly if it occurred on a vulnerable part of the aircraft such as the cockpit canopy, the nose radome, or the tailfins or the jet nozzles at the rear of the aircraft.

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Mar 17 23 04:29 pm Link

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JSouthworth

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JQuest wrote:

You're a funny guy, really very funny indeed. Maybe not as funny as you think you are, but then who is.

If the potential effectiveness of drones in air-to-air combat is obvious, so is the fact that many people in NATO air forces are opposed to this idea. But in the end, they're going to have to get used to it.

Mar 18 23 03:34 pm Link

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JSouthworth wrote:
If the potential effectiveness of drones in air-to-air combat is obvious, so is the fact that many people in NATO air forces are opposed to this idea. But in the end, they're going to have to get used to it.

I wouldn't exactly call accidentally flying a multi-million dollar fighter jet into the back of an unarmed drone air to air combat but you are the self appointed expert on all of these threads.

You know what's really funny? You actually believing that you know more than experts at NATO do, and are actually coming up with ideas all on your own that you think they haven't thought of yet. Now that's truly funny, also really pitiful and sad at the same time.

Pontificate on Captain Obvious, or should it be more aptly, Captain Oblivious?
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Mar 18 23 06:01 pm Link

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JSouthworth wrote:
You're a funny guy, really very funny indeed. Maybe not as funny as you think you are, but then who is.

LOL. He's not the comedian, you are.

Mar 18 23 06:46 pm Link

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JSouthworth

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JQuest wrote:
I wouldn't exactly call accidentally flying a multi-million dollar fighter jet into the back of an unarmed drone air to air combat but you are the self appointed expert on all of these threads.

When drones that are designed for air-to-air combat enter service, they will clear the skies of manned fighter aircraft in no time. The biggest advantage of the drone is that it can be churned out on production lines whereas it takes five years to train a fast jet pilot to a high standard.

A drone which costs a few hundred thousand dollars or less, can routinely be used in a sacrificial way if it destroys a manned fighter costing over US $100 million, or some other high priority military target. It is more expendable than a manned aircraft and particularly the pilot of that aircraft. Although as we know, this did not prevent Japanese pilots from deliberately crashing Allied ships and aircraft during the final year of WW2.

In a defensive air-to-air scenario in which a drone is attacked by a manned fighter, a "mutual kill" resulting from a mid-air collision represents a very favorable exchange in military terms, even if the drone costs several million dollars.

In the recent incident over the Black Sea involving the MQ9 Reaper drone, the Russian fighters were however able to down the drone without loss because it was designed primarily for endurance rather than maneuverability in air-to-air combat.

Mar 19 23 05:42 am Link

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JSouthworth wrote:
When drones that are designed for air-to-air combat enter service, they will clear the skies of manned fighter aircraft in no time. The biggest advantage of the drone is that it can be churned out on production lines whereas it takes five years to train a fast jet pilot to a high standard.

A drone which costs a few hundred thousand dollars or less, can routinely be used in a sacrificial way if it destroys a manned fighter costing over US $100 million, or some other high priority military target. It is more expendable than a manned aircraft and particularly the pilot of that aircraft. Although as we know, this did not prevent Japanese pilots from deliberately crashing Allied ships and aircraft during the final year of WW2.

In a defensive air-to-air scenario in which a drone is attacked by a manned fighter, a "mutual kill" resulting from a mid-air collision represents a very favorable exchange in military terms, even if the drone costs several million dollars.

In the recent incident over the Black Sea involving the MQ9 Reaper drone, the Russian fighters were however able to down the drone without loss because it was designed primarily for endurance rather than maneuverability in air-to-air combat.

You know I see the words on the page but all that comes through is, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No one here cares what you have to say, we're only responding to the complete inanity of your assertions. Additionally your completely made up review of UAV's  is as off topic (as usual) as it is useless. There can be little doubt that every time someone reads one of your posts they walk away dumber than when they arrived, but it's like a continuing, on going, slow motion, train wreck, you just can't look away.

My dear old dad was a smart guy, he used to say , "it's often a good idea to keep your mouth shut and let people think you know more about stuff than you do, than to open it and prove you're a dumb ass." I wonder which part of that saying he would apply to you? (No answer required the question is rhetorical) For the last time, the Russians were able to crash the MQ-9 because they accidentally ran into it, not because it was designed for endurance. It's like talking to a damn wall.
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Mar 19 23 07:05 am Link

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JSouthworth wrote:

When drones that are designed for air-to-air combat enter service, they will clear the skies of manned fighter aircraft in no time. The biggest advantage of the drone is that it can be churned out on production lines whereas it takes five years to train a fast jet pilot to a high standard.

A drone which costs a few hundred thousand dollars or less, can routinely be used in a sacrificial way if it destroys a manned fighter costing over US $100 million, or some other high priority military target. It is more expendable than a manned aircraft and particularly the pilot of that aircraft. Although as we know, this did not prevent Japanese pilots from deliberately crashing Allied ships and aircraft during the final year of WW2.

In a defensive air-to-air scenario in which a drone is attacked by a manned fighter, a "mutual kill" resulting from a mid-air collision represents a very favorable exchange in military terms, even if the drone costs several million dollars.

In the recent incident over the Black Sea involving the MQ9 Reaper drone, the Russian fighters were however able to down the drone without loss because it was designed primarily for endurance rather than maneuverability in air-to-air combat.

The Boeing X45A can probably be regarded as the first successful purpose designed, autonomous combat drone or UCAV (Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle). The only weapons it carried in testing were bombs but in principle, this unmanned combat aircraft could engage ground and air targets using most types of weapons, as well as carrying out reconnaissance missions.

This article contains more useful information than the Wikipedia one;
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/x-45-ucav/

Mar 20 23 07:39 am Link

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JSouthworth

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JQuest wrote:
For the last time, the Russians were able to crash the MQ-9 because they accidentally ran into it, not because it was designed for endurance.

So you're saying that Russian president Vladimir Putin personally awarded the pilots their medals for accidentally colliding with a drone? Somehow I don't think so.

Mar 20 23 07:53 am Link

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Focuspuller

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Los Angeles, California, US

JSouthworth wrote:
So you're saying that Russian president Vladimir Putin personally awarded the pilots their medals for accidentally colliding with a drone? Somehow I don't think so.

So YOU are saying in YOUR "mind" Putin is not capable of awarding a faux medal for the purpose of maintaining a faux  cover story. for his own propaganda purposes?

WOW.  Pretty naive and clueless, even for you.

Mar 20 23 08:42 am Link

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JQuest

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Syracuse, New York, US

JSouthworth wrote:
The Boeing X45A can probably be regarded as the first successful purpose designed, autonomous combat drone or UCAV (Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle). The only weapons it carried in testing were bombs but in principle, this unmanned combat aircraft could engage ground and air targets using most types of weapons, as well as carrying out reconnaissance missions.

This article contains more useful information than the Wikipedia one;
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/x-45-ucav/

You're off topic again Captain, and anyone who wants that information is completely capable of looking it up on their own. You needn't parrot it back at us.
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Mar 20 23 09:37 am Link

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JQuest

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Syracuse, New York, US

JSouthworth wrote:
So you're saying that Russian president Vladimir Putin personally awarded the pilots their medals for accidentally colliding with a drone? Somehow I don't think so.

Again, no one cares what you think, and no I never said that, I just stated a verifiable fact. Thanks for coming out as a Putin supporter though and pushing his propaganda. Now at least we can all understand why you're taking the position you are.

There you go again!
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Mar 20 23 09:39 am Link

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P R E S T O N

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JSouthworth wrote:

So you're saying that Russian president Vladimir Putin personally awarded the pilots their medals for accidentally colliding with a drone? Somehow I don't think so.

You don't?
Oh well, yet more stupidity from you then. Snores...

Mar 20 23 10:25 am Link