Forums > Photography Talk > OMG I absolutely LOVE cybersync triggers...

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Erick Anthony Photo

Posts: 918

Murrieta, California, US

Just got mine in. Let me tell you, I like these waaaaaay better then the pocket wizards. I know you can adjust on the fly with the pocket wizard, but you can pay $80 for the new cybersyncs coming out in a few weeks and get the same thing for half the cost. I'm pretty impressed. Anybody have their $.02?

Edit: I think eventually Pocket Wizard might have to drop their price to compete... these are amazing!

Nov 13 08 01:39 am Link

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Jeff Wayne

Posts: 2764

Los Angeles, California, US

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
Just got mine in. Let me tell you, I like these waaaaaay better then the pocket wizards. I know you can adjust on the fly with the pocket wizard, but you can pay $80 for the new cybersyncs coming out in a few weeks and get the same thing for half the cost. I'm pretty impressed. Anybody have their $.02?

Edit: I think eventually Pocket Wizard might have to drop their price to compete... these are amazing!

pocket wizards do things cybersyncs cant.

Nov 13 08 01:49 am Link

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PhotosByStorm

Posts: 852

Waianae, Hawaii, US

Jeff Wayne wrote:

pocket wizards do things cybersyncs cant.

pocket wizards can teleport you to another shoot in a heartbeat.

Nov 13 08 01:51 am Link

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Jarette Howell

Posts: 54

Cleveland, Ohio, US

Yep, I love them too smile They're the best bang for the buck, IMHO.

Nov 13 08 01:55 am Link

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Danger Ninja

Posts: 22238

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

They aren't the big complex machines that PocketWizards are, but they're a hell of a lot cheaper and they work great.

Nov 13 08 01:56 am Link

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Natalia Eiras

Posts: 885

Red Bank, New Jersey, US

mine come in the mail tomorrow!

so excited to get the commander and the + versions when they come out

Nov 13 08 01:58 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Im going to check back with after you have tested these for a while. I was looking at these or Skyports.
Tonight somebody reported many problems with Skyports and after looking through a few forums I see lots of other dissatisfied users as well.
What kind of cameras do you own ?
What lights are you using these with ?
Do you shoot outdoors ?
Whats the max distance you can get reliable triggering to still work ?
What # of misfires are you getting ?
Hahaha as you can see lots of questions.

Nov 13 08 01:58 am Link

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Andrew Thomas Evans

Posts: 24079

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
Edit: I think eventually Pocket Wizard might have to drop their price to compete... these are amazing!

Agree, and I've had more issues with PW's than with the cyber ones. All I want to do is shoot the fucking flash, not have all kinds of options or anything.

smile

Jeff Wayne wrote:
pocket wizards do things cybersyncs cant.

Agree, they can piss me off.

Nov 13 08 02:07 am Link

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Paul Brecht

Posts: 12232

Colton, California, US

Jeff Wayne wrote:
pocket wizards do things cybersyncs cant.

& vice-versa...

Cybersyncs can control individual lights power for up to 16 heads & tells you actual light ratios, even when using different powered heads, when using the Commander...

https://www.alienbees.com/images/cybercommander.jpg

You can't do that w/ PW...

Paul

Nov 13 08 02:10 am Link

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o k u t a k e

Posts: 4660

New York, New York, US

I was checking out my friends cyber's this weekend. Worked great, but the only issue she found was that it lacked a port to plug it in via your pc port instead of your hotshoe. All it really means is you need an adapter if you need a combo of on-camera and off-camera flashes. Also, switching channels isn't quite like PW's which makes it really easy to change lighting setups on local. For the price though, you can't beat em. Very reliable and do the job well.

Nov 13 08 02:10 am Link

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Personality Imaging

Posts: 2100

Hoover, Alabama, US

Just don't get your pocket wizard caught in your zipper

Nov 13 08 02:12 am Link

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Andrew Thomas Evans

Posts: 24079

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

okutake wrote:
I was checking out my friends cyber's this weekend. Worked great, but the only issue she found was that it lacked a port to plug it in via your pc port instead of your hotshoe. All it really means is you need an adapter if you need a combo of on-camera and off-camera flashes. Also, switching channels isn't quite like PW's which makes it really easy to change lighting setups on local. For the price though, you can't beat em. Very reliable and do the job well.

This is the only thing I see lacking in them, but it's not an issue with a $15 adaptor.

Nov 13 08 02:14 am Link

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Renegade Lumen

Posts: 7

Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa

I'm gonna have to say that the PocketWizards are the gold standard here - I've triggered hot-shoe flashes 100m away with a single pair of PocketWizards, quite happily, since I'd forgotten to turn the relay in the middle on and only noticed when I went to pick it up.

That said though, I usually use the GadgetInfinity V2s triggers on hot-shoe strobes - the range is limited, but the misfires, I have found, occur so seldom as to be insignificant. 

For bigger packs, PocketWizards rock.  Horses for courses, I suppose.

Nov 13 08 02:19 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

okutake wrote:
I was checking out my friends cyber's this weekend. Worked great, but the only issue she found was that it lacked a port to plug it in via your pc port instead of your hotshoe. All it really means is you need an adapter if you need a combo of on-camera and off-camera flashes. Also, switching channels isn't quite like PW's which makes it really easy to change lighting setups on local. For the price though, you can't beat em. Very reliable and do the job well.

How old is your friends unit ? I thought the newer ones had a port on the transmitter to plug in a PC sync cable.
Important for use with my Pentax 6x7 that has no hot-shoe

Nov 13 08 02:19 am Link

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K E S L E R

Posts: 11574

Los Angeles, California, US

Jeff Wayne wrote:

pocket wizards do things cybersyncs cant.

True, Pocket Wizards can rape your wallet doggy style and not give you the common courtesy of a reach around.

Nov 13 08 02:22 am Link

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Erick Anthony Photo

Posts: 918

Murrieta, California, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Im going to check back with after you have tested these for a while. I was looking at these or Skyports.
Tonight somebody reported many problems with Skyports and after looking through a few forums I see lots of other dissatisfied users as well.
What kind of cameras do you own ?
What lights are you using these with ?
Do you shoot outdoors ?
Whats the max distance you can get reliable triggering to still work ?
What # of misfires are you getting ?
Hahaha as you can see lots of questions.

I shoot mainly Canon. Also throw in some medium format cameras when clients need them higher (but those I rent). AB are my flash and WL as well, oh and speedlights. I honestly have shot a whole shoot with them already and haven't gotten a miss fire. Might be just dumb luck but they are freaking awesome. And the new cybersyncs can do pretty much everything PW's can. And yes I shoot outside and around corners and on other sides of walls. Heck you can even repeat them. So if you are shooting hundreds of feet away you can use one as a repeater. PRETTY FREAKING COOL!

Nov 13 08 02:30 am Link

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Karl Yamashita

Posts: 3305

Temecula, California, US

K E S L E R wrote:

True, Pocket Wizards can rape your wallet doggy style and not give you the common courtesy of a reach around.

Well i'm glad the money i spent on them that they still work even when going under water. smile

Nov 13 08 02:31 am Link

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Erick Anthony Photo

Posts: 918

Murrieta, California, US

Jeff Wayne wrote:

pocket wizards do things cybersyncs cant.

According to the new spec's coming out with the new ones... they do pretty much the same.

Nov 13 08 02:32 am Link

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Erick Anthony Photo

Posts: 918

Murrieta, California, US

I've used both and tell you the truth, I like the Cybersyncs better (at least for ease)... However I will have to check the new ones coming out with the remote cyber commander... which supposedly kicks ass.

Nov 13 08 02:34 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Erick Kush Photography wrote:

How did you connect the Med Format cameras ?
Does your Transmitter have a port to connect a PC synch cable ?

Nov 13 08 02:37 am Link

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Twan Imagery

Posts: 504

Miami, Florida, US

PW’s are the undisputed champs and the champ never bow's down to no one.

Nov 13 08 05:40 am Link

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FotoMark

Posts: 2978

Oxnard, California, US

Do cybersync triggers have the ability to sync with the Sekonic L-358 for remote metering?

Nov 13 08 05:57 am Link

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Robb Mann

Posts: 12327

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I'd invest in any system that would allow me to adjust flash power remotely, like I can do with Nikon's CLS system.

The PW's are the gold standard, and actually cost their weight in gold. Still, for wedding photographers and similar, they are well worth the cost. I have three flashes, and I simply cannot justify spending $800 on flash remotes, thought I've tried hard to convince myself.

Nov 13 08 07:41 am Link

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LANMAN

Posts: 1016

New York, New York, US

FotoMark wrote:
Do cybersync triggers have the ability to sync with the Sekonic L-358 for remote metering?

That's pretty much why I own the L-358 and pocket wizard.

Nov 13 08 07:52 am Link

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Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Robb Mann wrote:
I'd invest in any system that would allow me to adjust flash power remotely, like I can do with Nikon's CLS system.

If only Nikon would come out with radio-based CLS.

Nov 13 08 08:00 am Link

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John Fisher

Posts: 2165

Miami Beach, Florida, US

https://www.johnfisher.com/images/1cybersync4127fs.jpg

A show of hands of all the photographers who put new batteries in their ($$$) Pocket Wizards the previous day, forgot to turn them off, and then had to stop the shoot until someone ran to get new AA's. Okay, keep 'um  up, we'll get to you eventually (although this may take longer than the Minnesota recount).

Now, put your hand up if you had a similar problem with the new CyberSyncs. Anyone? Beuller.........Beuller.............

Fish
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John Fisher
910 West Avenue, Suite 306
Miami Beach, Florida  33139
305 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com

Nov 13 08 08:27 am Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6322

Olympia, Washington, US

FotoMark wrote:
Do cybersync triggers have the ability to sync with the Sekonic L-358 for remote metering?

I plug the Cybersync transmitter into my L-358 and I can fire the flash and meter remotely.

Nov 13 08 08:58 am Link

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Michael Fryd

Posts: 5231

Miami Beach, Florida, US

John Fisher wrote:
https://www.johnfisher.com/images/1cybersync4127fs.jpg

A show of hands of all the photographers who put new batteries in their ($$$) Pocket Wizards the previous day, forgot to turn them off, and then had to stop the shoot until someone ran to get new AA's. Okay, keep 'um  up, we'll get to you eventually (although this may take longer than the Minnesota recount).

Now, put your hand up if you had a similar problem with the new CyberSyncs. Anyone? Beuller.........Beuller.............

Fish
--
John Fisher
910 West Avenue, Suite 306
Miami Beach, Florida  33139
305 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com

No, my problem was that I left the PocketWizard on, and not only did the batteries die, so did the PocketWizard.  Fortunately, mine was just barely still i warranty, so they fixed it fro free.

It turns out this is a known problem with the separate transmitters/receivers.    I haven't yet stopped a shoot over this, I just keep an extra transceiver or two around for when a PocketWizard fails.

I'd also be happier with my PocketWizards if the base model offered more than 4 channels (relay mode uses 2 of the 4).  PocketWizards have a range of 1,600 feet, and here on South Beach there are two other photo studios within 200 yards of my studio!


Hopefully the new Paul Buff Cyber Commander will live up to promises.




Other than this, the PocketWizards are very reliable.

Nov 13 08 09:45 am Link

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Tom Brooks

Posts: 1444

Toledo, Ohio, US

GM Photography wrote:
I plug the Cybersync transmitter into my L-358 and I can fire the flash and meter remotely.

How?  I have both and haven't figured that one out yet.  I just have the 358 in one hand and the CS in the other.

Nov 13 08 09:46 am Link

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Wolfs Eye Photography

Posts: 1830

Wills Point, Texas, US

I'm stuck for awhile with an old Novatron light system. I'm wondering how they would work with the Novatrons?

Anybody?

Nov 13 08 09:54 am Link

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Lee K

Posts: 2411

Palatine, Illinois, US

Pocket Wizards are JUNK.  So poorly designed it's hilarious.  Just the one example above about the batteries running out is a perfect example.  If all these new radio transmitters would have come out when the PWs first came out, the PWs would have been a joke.

Nov 13 08 10:01 am Link

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Mauricio Paiz

Posts: 189

Boca Raton, Florida, US

Cybersyncs are cheap and easy to use, but now they are forcing me to get the new receiver to keep up smile

Nov 13 08 10:07 am Link

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Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Lee K wrote:
Pocket Wizards are JUNK.  So poorly designed it's hilarious.  Just the one example above about the batteries running out is a perfect example.  If all these new radio transmitters would have come out when the PWs first came out, the PWs would have been a joke.

I bought three PW's around 8 months ago.

If the Cybersyncs had been available then, there's a good chance I would have gone with them instead.

PW really needs to come out with a reduced-size transmitter for camera use. For other applications, the current size is fine.

Nov 13 08 10:12 am Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6322

Olympia, Washington, US

Tom Brooks wrote:

How?  I have both and haven't figured that one out yet.  I just have the 358 in one hand and the CS in the other.

The Cybersync comes with a small PC sync cord.  Plug one end into the Transmitter, the other into your meter.  Click the button on the meter and it will fire off your strobe the same as if you had a pc cord going from the meter to the strobe.

Nov 13 08 11:25 am Link

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Bobs Fine Art

Posts: 1371

Falls Church, Virginia, US

I'm glad I found this on here, I've almost gotten to the point where I want alot of daylight, and mutiple remote speedlights to light art nudes, and art fetish, and well I'm sure the canon infrared will not do me much good then..  putting my cybersync order in now!  is it at avail on ebay or b&h??

I have the 358, and the cybersyc cable that comes with the master unit realy makes it even more bang for the buck!

Thanks to all for a great topic!!!

Nov 13 08 11:48 am Link

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Thorne Washington

Posts: 32

DeKalb, Illinois, US

I got mine probably a week back. I couldn't justify the cost of wizards and needed better quality than the EBays.. Skyports didn't use AA so that was annoying. 

These work great and definitely my best option. Will be buying more soon. Does that cool new transmitter thing work with strobes? or just the alienbee lights?

Nov 13 08 12:08 pm Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6322

Olympia, Washington, US

isphotography wrote:
I'm glad I found this on here, I've almost gotten to the point where I want alot of daylight, and mutiple remote speedlights to light art nudes, and art fetish, and well I'm sure the canon infrared will not do me much good then..  putting my cybersync order in now!  is it at avail on ebay or b&h??

I have the 358, and the cybersyc cable that comes with the master unit realy makes it even more bang for the buck!

Thanks to all for a great topic!!!

Get your Cybersyncs here: http://www.alienbees.com/remotes.html

Nov 13 08 12:13 pm Link

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Giuseppe Luzio

Posts: 5834

New York, New York, US

Lee K wrote:
Pocket Wizards are JUNK.  So poorly designed it's hilarious.  Just the one example above about the batteries running out is a perfect example.

are people REALLY complaining that when you leave an electronics unit ON it uses battery life???

I hate to be the one to say it, but if you dont have the "intelligence" to shut it off then you have to live with the batteries dying LOL

oops i forgot my A/C plugged in for 3 months straight while i was one Vacation... STUDPID ELECTRIC UNIT FOR NOT KNOWING I WASNT HOME!!!

Damn All You Electronics Y2K IS HERE!!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVESSSSSSSSS!

-JM

Nov 13 08 12:27 pm Link

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Kevin Fair

Posts: 2767

Palm Coast, Florida, US

I got mine a couple weeks ago. I'm most happy not to have my camera tied to a light by a sync cord anymore.

I bought an adapter from FlashZebra, so I can use them with my SB600's too. Both my cameras have the CLS, but I like this better.

The gang at FlashZebra will custom make any cable you can dream up, and their about as cool as the PB crew.

Nov 13 08 12:32 pm Link

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Russell Tracy Photo

Posts: 1026

Virginia Beach, Virginia, US

Going back to the whole PW can do things CyberSyncs can't and vise versa....

I haven't really looking too in depth into the CyberSyncs (I use Elinchrom Skyports and PW's) but does the CyberSync have the ability to remote fire cameras?

Im curious because the PW's I use now belong to the paper and I use them to fire remote cameras. I want to get my own set of triggers to fire my remote camera so I dont have to fight over the PW's with the other photographers at the paper.

Nov 13 08 12:46 pm Link