Darrelle wrote:
I'm doing that on ebay right now too. I hope it works

I sent you a message about ebay earlier tonight. I see you got it.

Chris Ambler wrote:
I can't imagine anyone on the planet that would command a one-day fee of $40,000.

I suppose for total amateurs they might be suckered into such an auction. The professionals, on the other hand, will have a good laugh and continue to work with agency models that clients have selected from the agency book.

The model he offered had a great look . Check out the auction number. Ebay # 7353211763. No professional photographer would pay that much, but some lottery winner might.

Marvin Dockery wrote:
I have thought for some time that USA models could auction off one day shoots, with the auction starting at $1000.00.(You could set the price higher)

The photographer, or GWC, would travel to you. You would be paid at the end of the auction, so if he backed out, you would have nothing to loose.

Without one hell of a disclaimer all the potential issues that could arise from this it would be an escrow nightmare, GWC shows up with money safely in escrow account...snaps a few hundred pics of nekkid model tries to get friendly knowing he's got the model all day and that if she bails he cancels the escrow for services not being delivered as agreed. (*You can come up with your own variations of this, but lets face it there are so many possibilities it's ridiculous)

I don't see many legit photographers putting out money up front for someone they don't know over EBay who might not show up, might bail on the session or otherwise flake, etc... unless it's a very well known model, a celebrity or someone with one hell of a look to them (or maybe a charity auction)

David

Wicked Reflections wrote:
Without one hell of a disclaimer all the potential issues that could arise from this it would be an escrow nightmare, GWC shows up with money safely in escrow account...snaps a few hundred pics of nekkid model tries to get friendly knowing he's got the model all day and that if she bails he cancels the escrow for services not being delivered as agreed. (*You can come up with your own variations of this, but lets face it there are so many possibilities it's ridiculous)

I don't see many legit photographers putting out money up front for someone they don't know over EBay who might not show up, might bail on the session or otherwise flake, etc... unless it's a very well known model, a celebrity or someone with one hell of a look to them (or maybe a charity auction)

David

You do not know Ebay very well.  Look in the "everything else"  section for "advertising oportunities"   There are a lot of strange offers.   

The model would have her makeup artist, or escort,  with her, and she could bring a photographer friend to assist the GWC

A model going on a TFP shoot has no way of knowing that a GWC/Photographer
will or not hit on her.  Photographers are reported all of the time,on MM,  for hitting on models, or not giving promised CD's.  S*it happens, but not all of the time.

A legal auction is covered by several state laws, with each party having rights to collect for damages.

It's being done, and it has been done. And its better than having to do all TFP shoots.

MELmoore wrote:
Instead of an auction what about just selling our print's that the model has copyright's to? Can you sell nudes on EBAY?
I see model's selling 8 x 10's all the time, but I never pursued it.
I see some model's selling their panties to men that have a fetish and collect them. Someone asked to buy mine and I was just not into that idea for any amount of $$$$
Kisses,
MEL

You can sell nude prints on ebay. I have sold over 2000 fine art nude prints, on ebay, since Oct of 2000.

Used panties, are not allowed on ebay. (they were at one time)

Go to Ebay, and click on "ART" then click on "photography"  Next click on "Nude"

Then look at the prints listed.   A lot of famous work is now sold on ebay, with a few of the prints bringing thousands of dollars.

There is also an adult/Mature section. No touching of privates is allowed, but there are some models selling images there.  A pass word is required to get into the mature sections.

Be sure to read all of the posting rules, and there are a lot of them. Very little frontal nudity can be allowed in the non adult art section.

I am not a big fan of ebay, but I like selling there.

MarkMarek wrote:
That's quite a modern way of prostitution. You have some brothels where you can buy tokens, you go to the booth and watch live girl getting nekkid and stuff. This is the same - just a little more modern (internet based) way of doing the same. You kind of pay more then in a brothel, but you will be able to jerk it off later watching the pics you took yourself - you've been doing it so far by watching free porn websites with pics taken by someone else. Very up to date form of prostitution, I have to admit. I say it's very very unlikely a true photog would go for such auction. Very unlikely. This clearly addresses pervs with camera. Even the $40 000 auction had it's primary purpose to get a well off perv watch a hot girl doing things for him, but they used a term model to cammouflage prostitution.




Are you calling models prostitutes? How much did your tokens cost?

The $40,000.00 ebay auction #7353211763,was to raise money to pay for the brides wedding. It clearly stated the terms, and what the auction was for.

Chris Ambler wrote:
I can't imagine anyone on the planet that would command a one-day fee of $40,000.

I suppose for total amateurs they might be suckered into such an auction. The professionals, on the other hand, will have a good laugh and continue to work with agency models that clients have selected from the agency book.

Chances are for that money she is actually open to doing more than Playboy style but the terms and conditions of Ebay would not let them say"hey she`ll do porn or anything you want as long as it will not end up earning her jail time".

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
Chances are for that money she is actually open to doing more than Playboy style but the terms and conditions of Ebay would not let them say"hey she`ll do porn or anything you want as long as it will not end up earning her jail time".

There could be no wedding going on there either. But I understand you have to come up with something that sounds good if you want to make $40k in a day.

MarkMarek wrote:
Comon Marvin, you can't be serious believing this is a sincere model - photographer offer. They don't care if the person who would pay ever held the camera in his hand. In fact, if there was someone interested in the offer and contacted them saying he was interested but doesn't want to bother using a camera - he only wants to watch - do you think they would turn him down because this offer is only for photographers?

I agree that more could be involved, just like on some photoshoots, but not all photoshoots.

In the UK a lot of models will work a deal with a local photographer to rent his studio for a day, or even a weekend. This rental involves the use of the lights and props. The model then sets up paid photoshoots with other photographers/GWC's
that only have to bring in a camera. (Here were call it workshops)

The difference is that she only shoots with one photographer at a time.

I think this is smart, and better for the model than just doing a lot of TFP shoots.

My thoughts are that for here in North America , why not use Ebay to find better paying GWC's than the ones here lurking on MM.  Real photographers, except for the ones shooting stock, do not hire many models.  (Models need to make some money)

Ebay checks out all bidders to prove who they are, and where they really live. When an ebay auction closes, on one of my prints, I get a email from Ebay listing the bidders name and his true email and mailing address. If I want to check more, I do a Google, or White Page search on him, or ask Ebay to conform his ID.

Open to more thoughts from both photographers and models.

Marvin Dockery wrote:
I agree that more could be involved, just like on some photoshoots, but not all photoshoots.

In the UK a lot of models will work a deal with a local photographer to rent his studio for a day, or even a weekend. This rental involves the use of the lights and props. The model then sets up paid photoshoots with other photographers/GWC's
that only have to bring in a camera. (Here were call it workshops)

The difference is that she only shoots with one photographer at a time.

I think this is smart, and better for the model than just doing a lot of TFP shoots.

My thoughts are that for here in North America , why not use Ebay to find better paying GWC's than the ones here lurking on MM.  Real photographers, except for the ones shooting stock, do not hire many models.  (Models need to make some money)

Ebay checks out all bidders to prove who they are, and where they really live. When an ebay auction closes, on one of my prints, I get a email from Ebay listing the bidders name and his true email and mailing address. If I want to check more, I do a Google, or White Page search on him, or ask Ebay to conform his ID.

Open to more thoughts from both photographers and models.

You're totally right about workshops in North America.

John Jebbia wrote:
Calling all cyberhookers...

Bid starts at $1

Marvin Dockery wrote:
You can sell nude prints on ebay. I have sold over 2000 fine art nude prints, on ebay, since Oct of 2000.

Yup. I did a shoot with my favorite B-movie actress (Jewel Shepard) a few years ago and sold some autographed fine art nudes of her on Ebay. They fetched disappointing prices ($150 apiece) in my opinion. Ebay is the land of the deal-seeker. Nobody goes to Ebay expecting to pay top dollar for anything. As long as you bear that in mind you'll be pretty happy.

mjr.

MediaVisual wrote:
Gotta love that guy trying to pimp his wife to be in order to pay for the wedding.
Real class act!
I didnt see where any of those nekkids were bringing any more than 20 bucks.
I think the jury is out on wether selling Neks on the net is anything but a pain in the ass.
I dont see where attaching the stigma of Ebay to my reputation would do anything but make me a picture whore.

Can you see a model with that in her Bio?

Some experience, my photos sell upwards to 20 dollars on EBAY.

I've been on ebay for a long time, and I just dont see it as worth the effort, I think the time could be better spent on improving the images.Not your images Marv,,anybodys in general.

Also, while seemingly a good idea on it's face,, do you really want to be known as the photographer that pimps themself out on Ebay,,that totally lacks class.(referring to shoots)

I'm not knocking what Marv is doing,,if it works for him I say great, selling prints that is.

But it think pimping out your service on Ebay is classless and detrimental unless you are just an amature hobby shooter.

Good Morning All,

Mark

Mark,

I have sold a lot of prints on Ebay, and I have not made a lot of money from the sales, but I have made a lot of connections.  A lot of my prints have been offered at low prices, but not all of them.

Because of one Ebay print sale, of under $50.00, I sold a sixty print set, of my homeless models,  to a collector in San Francisco for $9,000.00, and a print dealer in France,  bought over forty prints, for a Paris Gallery.


I still think that Ebay is just another  way for models to break away from all of this " I do not think you are ready to do paid shoots", BS, that they have been hearing from photographers.

Last thought; Jock Sturges sells his prints, through his main dealer on Ebay.  He also listed two items, himself, about two months ago.

Does that make you think he is a picture whore?  Peter Gowland had a 32x40 print up last week.

Chris Ambler wrote:
I can't imagine anyone on the planet that would command a one-day fee of $40,000.

I suppose for total amateurs they might be suckered into such an auction. The professionals, on the other hand, will have a good laugh and continue to work with agency models that clients have selected from the agency book.

Steven Meisel's day rate is more than that and that does not include expenses..no camera...studio..lights..assistants(he has about 4)..and any rights to use the photos.. I have asisted for photogs with $30k day rate...plus all the rest.

luxmosaic wrote:
I saw eBay as a low-budget outlet at first as well, but I've changed my mind recently.

eBay is an incredible global marketing engine if used correctly - and you get paid for advertising your work, too. If I were to sell prints, that'd definitely be a place I'd put them.

Not sure about offering modeling services on eBay, but as with anything else, if it pays the bills then why the h*** not

And I totally agree.

If talent =$$, a lot of us on this site would be very wealthy. But instead, most of us are broke.

I've worked with quite a few talentless hacks for a few hundred bucks a day, and at times had to choose that over working with exceptional artists generously offering TFP. I don't do this just to pay bills, but bills *do* have to be paid! If I could fetch a few hundred bucks a day for working with the same talentless hack, then I would have more time to fill with valuable TFP.

All the photogs can scoff, but I bet they'd jump at the chance to take pictures of a busted-a$$ chick if she volunteered to pay them for it!

Max

I dont see where attaching the stigma of Ebay to my reputation would do anything but make me a picture whore.

Can you see a model with that in her Bio?

Some experience, my photos sell upwards to 20 dollars on EBAY.

I've been on ebay for a long time, and I just dont see it as worth the effort, I think the time could be better spent on improving the images.Not your images Marv,,anybodys in general.

Also, while seemingly a good idea on it's face,, do you really want to be known as the photographer that pimps themself out on Ebay,,that totally lacks class.(referring to shoots)

I'm not knocking what Marv is doing,,if it works for him I say great, selling prints that is.

But it think pimping out your service on Ebay is classless and detrimental unless you are just an amature hobby shooter.

Good Morning All,

Mark

Every photographer is a picture whore, that is what we do!  We take pictures, we sell pictures.  If the price is right we will sell whatever the hell the buyer wants!  Some of us are just more expensive than others.