PYPI wrote:

Hey Thats an Up-skirt photo of a minor I'm calling the cops !!!!

PYPI wrote:

Heather Cruz wrote:
Which I think gets to the heart of the matter here...no matter what the situation or the laws in that particular area, if you are dealing with minors in any way and the parents chose to raise hell you're going to be in trouble so your best bet is to have them sign a release in person.

PYPI wrote:
So let me get this straight. You're using the example of a principal in FL firing a substitute teacher for "wizardry" as the basis for an argument that all photos of minors should require a parent present to sign a release?

Some teacher in Florida had sex with her minor student. Should all classes nationwide be taught with parents present to make sure there is no orgy going on in the classrooms? Use some common sense.

People get kill every minute by cars but you still drive.

Common sense would dictate that you have a good understanding of the law to know what is legal and what is not legal and to act within the law. You can live your life in a bubble to prevent anything from happening or you can educate yourself on what is acceptable and act accordingly.

Having a parent sign a release in no way protects the photographer against inappropriate allegations. A model release is nothing more than a document addressing how images are to be used. It is not a rape shield or a get out of jail free card. It is also not a permission to shoot document.

*sigh* You are completely misunderstanding the point I am making which was actually in agreement with your post. Legal or not, if a parent decides to cause trouble for you they will…those two examples showed how stupid and asinine they can be about it.

If the model is under 18 any release they sign is not legally binding in the first place without their parent’s signature. That signature gives you legal proof that they gave consent to you working with their child. And my parents were also required to sign a separate permission to shoot release as well when I was underage. No, it does not protect against every allegation, but it will prevent them from claiming they had no prior knowledge of your business relationship and put them at a disadvantage for any other BS they try to pull. In other words…

Parent: He/she molested my child!

Judge: Well since you knew about this shoot, why weren’t you there with your child?

I am not suggesting you “live your life in a bubble to prevent anything from happening” and I am advocating “educate yourself on what is acceptable and act accordingly.” But again, that is my opinion, if you choose not to do that I really don’t care. I’m neither under 18 or a parent so it doesn’t affect me.

What I do care about is innocent people being taken advantage of by scam artist parents who are looking for attention, money, or both. And no, I am not exaggerating; I have a friend who spent 18 months in jail over a set of parents like that. He was the 5th guy these people set up and those were just the ones we knew about because they didn’t pay them off. So yes, I am well acquainted with the laws in PA thanks to him.

FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
You were being baited!!!....I received an instant message one afternoon asking is shoot portfolios and got much of the same as you did....questions about "sexy" pics.....when I asked the persons age she told me 16.....it ended right there.

There are cops out there who do nothing but this type of work. Pitty the poor fool who falls for it.

John Jebbia wrote:
Yeah. Could be the case.. but according to "To catch a predator", the cops always wait for you to come to them. could be entrapment otherwise.

Yeah ... entrapment never happens ...

Dean Fast wrote:
I'm lost....somebody help...

Here is your help:  please don't ressurect old moribund threads for no good reason.

PYPI FASHION wrote:
Excuse me for being normal and not thinking the sky will fall just for talking to a minor. I'll be damn if I'm going to run an id check every time I order a burger from a pimple face kid at the local fast food joint. Minors are everywhere. If I do high school portraits, I will shoot them without their parent's permission or presence. I have minors in my top 12. I've talked to them on the phone, I've chatted with them on YM. I've shot minors without parental consent or presence. Big fucking deal. No law against it which means it's legal.

You just don't know the law very well. When it comes to minors in the USA, cops and prosecutors can do anything they want; period. They have a blank check. And any jury will rubber stamp anything they accuse you of; evidence or no evidence. And it usually doesn't even matter what the fine print of the law states. They only have to throw you in front of a mob jury, bring in the crying model, and say a few bad things about you and you are going down. Case closed. And that's assuming that the "victim" is telling the truth. A lot of times minors lie to get attention, play games, or to get revenge. If I was an older male, I wouldn't even be in a room alone with a minor much less photograph one. On a separate subject, about a year or so ago in Florida, a photographer was arrested for producing child porn because he photographed minors with their clothes on. There was absolutely no nudity and not sex acts at all.

Toyland wrote:

Tracy Scott Photography wrote:
There is a paranoia down here in Florida. Too many women are getting busted having sex with little boys.

You know you just ruined some "Little Boy's" weekend plans.

As they say at U of H, "Go Cougars!"

KAK Photography wrote:
To avoid this whole problem, I follow 1 simple rule.  I will not shoot anyone under 18.

Neat, and I didn't even know the non-model on my avatar icon deal was 17...

Oh well.


I'm fucked I guess!


oh and this was after we did some cute lingerie type cute stuff with her and a friend - nothing too sexy - but still it would have been nice to know before about how old she was.

Andrew Thomas Designs wrote:
why is this old thread being drug up?

You know......
If somebody started a new thread for this.......
Some other asshole would be screaming for the to "use the search"......
[/i]Damned if you do... damned if you don't......[/i]

Really... who gives a shit if old threads get revived?

Chris Macan wrote:
Really... who gives a shit if old threads get revived?

I don't care honestly, however I do get annoyed when I quote old posts like they were new.




So I put a warning in when I can.

Plus the peson who drug it up this time didn't really add anything new, only go at a really old post.

Digital Pariah  wrote:
It happens on a regular basis on most of the model related websites, i get at least one or two a month, i simply refuse to shoot minors or miners for that matter, hell i do not even converse now, and yes most of them are undercover cops, its actually remarkably easy to find out, nothing like telling you they are in a youth hostel,  giving you an address right where a major police headquarters has stood for 100 years. Doh!!!!

I have pictures of several minors on my portfolio. None AFAIK were cops. Pictures of kids also sell decently on iStock. Of course, I have to get a commercial release signed by the parent for that usage.