Forums > Photography Talk > Post your best "overpowering the sun" shot !

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Wayne Sclesky

Posts: 342

Kansas City, Missouri, US

I just got my first power pack last week. Here is one of the test images...shot with the alien bee vagabond II and alien bee 1600 with a medium photoflex softbox with the front diffuser panel removed. ISO 50, Circular Polarizer, 70-200 @ 7.1.

https://www.sclesky.com/post/sarah01.jpg

May 19 08 05:00 pm Link

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James Andrew Imagery

Posts: 6713

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

https://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/070826/23/46d24d7729296.jpg

https://homepage.mac.com/avicdar/xpics/madyshore1.jpg

My uber-friend Madykins.  smile

May 19 08 05:03 pm Link

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Archived

Posts: 13509

Phoenix, Arizona, US

it's easier to overpower the sun when the sun isn't very strong.

this was a bare vivitar 285hv, probably at 1/4 or something. light was changing rapidly, of course, so i just adjusted the flash to give the effect i wanted.

https://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080131/00/47a15ea08a894_m.jpg

May 19 08 05:05 pm Link

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Kelly Olszewski

Posts: 247

San Jose, California, US

Eddie Velasquez wrote:
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2504322534_46dc4d48c2.jpg

...wow

May 19 08 05:05 pm Link

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Corona Productions

Posts: 597

Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico

Turi studios wrote:
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080131/18/47a25a78db091.jpg

smile

This is awesome! the saturation is bad ass!

May 19 08 05:05 pm Link

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Corona Productions

Posts: 597

Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico

Turi studios wrote:
Thank you... ok one more...

https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/071215/22/47649e2e7f0c8.jpg

The vignette is cool! is this a fisheye? or wide?

May 19 08 05:07 pm Link

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Miles Fork Photography

Posts: 37

Greenwood, Indiana, US

I have a lot of those types that I personally love... so here ya go.



https://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080407/19/47faad3115cc5.jpg
This was done with a reflector and a 580 EX Fill flash...

https://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080504/19/481e47543fdea.jpg
Done with Studio lights on low setting, dont have the exact meta data but I can get it if needed.
https://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080407/19/47faac7956813.jpg
Reflector w/ 580 ex

https://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/070920/14/46f2c7090bb2b_m.jpg
Reflector w/ 580 ex

May 19 08 05:07 pm Link

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Eddie Velasquez

Posts: 118

Anaheim, California, US

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1399/1439488472_bd91c50036.jpg

May 19 08 05:11 pm Link

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Frank Fetish

Posts: 169

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Not quite in the same league with the others posted here but this was my first attempt at it.
https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/071102/18/472b9f075522b_m.jpg

May 19 08 05:11 pm Link

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LinguaDentata

Posts: 6413

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

https://img8.modelmayhem.com/070611/19/466ddcf9df4b6_m.jpg

May 19 08 05:13 pm Link

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Robert Turi

Posts: 228

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Corona Imagez wrote:

The vignette is cool! is this a fisheye? or wide?

wide... was somewhere between 17 and 24

May 19 08 05:24 pm Link

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Robert Turi

Posts: 228

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Smedley Whiplash wrote:

Sunny 16 is 125 @ f16 (iso100) (ish), so you just need a flash unit that will put out f16 or more at it's distance from the subject.

It is practically impossible to shoot more wide open than f8 at noon though, given the maximum sync speeds of most cameras. Time of day could change that though.  6pm (and later) could give you the option of larger apertures if DOF is a consideration.

Polarizer helps as well.

May 19 08 05:26 pm Link

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WISCONSIN

Posts: 1796

Menominee, Michigan, US

... neutral
EDIT: huh. according to the below post, I did it wrong.

May 19 08 05:29 pm Link

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K. Adam Stockstill

Posts: 338

Austin, Indiana, US

Joe Miglionico wrote:
I hope this isn't a stupid question (and if it is, go easy on me, I've had a rough day) but I'm not exactly sure what the process is that you guys are doing here. You're using flash  set at a higher level than sunlight? Wouldn't that mean super high shutter speeds? I'm not seeing that in the specs being given out, how does it not result in overexposure?
I've honestly never seen this process before, how do you do it?

Take ambient light reading.
for arguments sake lets say its 1/60th at f4
set your artificial light source to match the f4
crank up the shutter speed.
vwola.

May 19 08 05:31 pm Link

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KRSfoto

Posts: 84

Nashville, Tennessee, US

https://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/071218/21/47687c64692d9.jpg

AB800 cranked up with 7" reflector Somewhere around 1/125 F10....

May 19 08 06:56 pm Link

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P K A S S O

Posts: 223

Los Angeles, California, US

https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080404/03/47f5d321aede6.jpg

https://a646.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_01b550d7dbf92270f22850d13b79ff85.jpg

Both shoot with 1 profoto compact 600 on full blast 2nd shot sun directly overhead. Only a reflector on the strobe, no other light modifiers.

May 19 08 07:00 pm Link

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Rebecca Giese

Posts: 3

Meridian, Mississippi, US

https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080516/01/482d1e58545d9_m.jpg    https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080519/19/48320cf3ae4d7_m.jpg
This was taken shortly before noon at the beach on a  bright and sunny day.  One light (Zack Arias and his onelight workshop changed the way I shoot in a major way).... an AB800, probably full power since it was so bright outside, shot through an umbrella, 100 ISO, 250 shutter speed..... and ummmm, I'll have to look up data to get the exact aperture but probably f/16 or smaller.  (Just went back and looked it up and it was f/18.... pretty good for a guess based on noontime conditions.)  The posing on the photo isn't my favorite because it was just a test shoot where I was teaching another photographer how to shoot in bright harsh light by using one light to basically overpower the sun.  Since we live in the deep south, if we don't learn to do this, we limit the amount of hours (OK Minutes by June and July) that we have "pretty" light to shoot in.  I don't exactly do it like the description already posted.  For me, I remember that shutter speed controls ambient light so my fastest sync speed (250 for my cameras) lets in the least amount of light from the sky.  Fully power flash with a small aperture brought the model's exposure up a couple of stops over the background preventing a blown out sky that I used to would have to settle for at high noon in the south.  If I had balanced the exposure on the model's face with the back lighting, I would have lost a lot of the blue in the sky since it was bright but kind of hazy like we tend to get here once it heats up.

And I got badly sunburned on this shoot.  Don't forget sunscreen when shooting to overpower the sun.  :-)

May 19 08 07:09 pm Link

May 19 08 07:26 pm Link

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Jerry Rybansky

Posts: 981

Bayonne, New Jersey, US

https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee58/photostudio99/IMG_8034-2small.jpg

May 19 08 07:31 pm Link

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190608

Posts: 2383

Los Angeles, California, US

Where are the guys' photos? =P

Here is with a male model. smile

https://modelmayhm-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080510/01/4825303f4950f_m.jpg

May 19 08 07:31 pm Link

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Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

I've never been very successful with this technique which is why I've not been very successful taking photos of models on beaches. My problem is the images come out way too flat and lifeless. What are some good techniques for overpowering the sun? Some of the images posted here are fantastic; I would like to learn how to do that. And maybe then I'll have something to post!

May 19 08 07:34 pm Link

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WISCONSIN

Posts: 1796

Menominee, Michigan, US

ok, well I'm going to post mine as it looks like some of them posted here:

This is my first try.....
Just after noon...

canon 40d
ISO100
1/125
f/18
17mm

canon 580ex on full power
I can't remember how far I was standing from her..not very far....

https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k18/BEKPHOTOGRAPHY/patiencearcticweb.jpg

May 19 08 07:37 pm Link

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Rebecca Giese

Posts: 3

Meridian, Mississippi, US

Ronald N Tan wrote:
Where are the guys' photos? =P

Here is with a male model. smile

https://modelmayhm-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080510/01/4825303f4950f_m.jpg

Nice...... Need someone to tag along the next time you shoot him, just call me.  :-P

May 19 08 07:37 pm Link

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Daniel Leon

Posts: 1389

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Eikona wrote:
https://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/071025/00/472021e806753.jpg

I *love*  this image,specially the car smile

May 19 08 07:38 pm Link

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Joe Messenger

Posts: 405

Baltimore, Maryland, US

All of these are wondfull, But it would be much better if we could get how they were don'e specs. with each photo so more of us can learn how this is done :0)

May 19 08 07:45 pm Link

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Bevan Pryor

Posts: 164

Macon, Georgia, US

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=4288272

Qflash Telephoto reflector plus 1 stop over background sky

May 19 08 07:55 pm Link

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Kenzphotos

Posts: 1868

Anaheim, California, US

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2328/2483821426_f67ea90fd1.jpg?v=0

May 19 08 08:06 pm Link

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Bil Brown

Posts: 2170

Los Angeles, California, US

pellepiano wrote:
https://www.pellepiano.com/studiobild/images/imageh5.jpg
https://www.pellepiano.com/studiobild/images/imageh2.jpg

These are amazing. Wonderful all around!!

May 19 08 08:06 pm Link

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Kenzphotos

Posts: 1868

Anaheim, California, US

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May 19 08 08:11 pm Link

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Kenzphotos

Posts: 1868

Anaheim, California, US

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2395958951_9047319e31.jpg?v=0

May 19 08 08:12 pm Link

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Kenzphotos

Posts: 1868

Anaheim, California, US

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2396227951_68bd16d040.jpg?v=0

May 19 08 08:14 pm Link

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Dream-foto

Posts: 4483

Chico, California, US

My first try:
https://modelmayhm-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/071012/19/471006d17abea_m.jpg

May 19 08 08:14 pm Link

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Kenzphotos

Posts: 1868

Anaheim, California, US

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/2396227107_d487693663.jpg?v=0

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2378/2506466841_8a962f813b.jpg?v=0

Please check my portfolio out for some more 'overpowering the sun' photographs.

Thanks!

May 19 08 08:16 pm Link

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Bil Brown

Posts: 2170

Los Angeles, California, US

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2359/2503027160_8ccb12ba09_o.jpg

Not exactly what you were asking for, as it was the end of the day/twilight (around 8:30PM when the sun was setting at 8:50PM). Maybe this is overpowering the backlight and using the dark... I don't know. Here is the story.

I was asked by my clients Kynt & Vyxsin, to shoot some photos for Louisville's Goth Prom and do a signing of our Gothic Beauty spread. The promoter who had a different idea said, "Oh, we want you to do portraits too... did you bring lights or backgrounds or anything." I didn't. So...

I found the folks that wanted portraits, found a spot. Then proceeded to lay on the ground. Popped off the ex540 and used my XTi's on camera flash, pushing the exposure to -1.33, IS0 200, f/6.3, 1/60. Focal length 18 on a 17-55mm. Asked people to stand where I told them.

Insta-gothy background. Overbearing the waning sun on a cloudy overcast day! One chance, one shot each.

May 19 08 08:19 pm Link

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Keith_R

Posts: 845

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Joe Messenger wrote:
All of these are wondfull, But it would be much better if we could get how they were don'e specs. with each photo so more of us can learn how this is done :0)

Try it this way:
Let's say for the sake of discussion that you maximum flash sync is 1/250 sec...
-Set your shutter speed to 1/60 sec
-Set your aperture to give you a "normal" ambient exposure
-Set/place your flash to give you that aperture at your subject...

At this point, you have balanced the subject with the background.
If you now want to "overpower the sun", then start cranking up your shutter speed. Starting out two stops below your maximum sync speed will allow you to suppress the ambient by up to two stops as you increase your shutter speed. In this example, if you know that you want to suppress the daylight exposure by no more than one stop, then start out at 1/125 sec to set your aperture.

Having a higher maximum sync speed reduces your power requirements considerably. A small flash can look like a "flamethrower" at 1/1000 sec.

May 19 08 09:14 pm Link

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ClevelandSlim

Posts: 851

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

pellepiano wrote:
https://www.pellepiano.com/studiobild/images/imageh5.jpg

That shot is SO TIGHT!

~Slim~

May 19 08 09:16 pm Link

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TONY S TURNER

Posts: 586

Dallas, Texas, US

May 19 08 09:16 pm Link

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JoshuaBerardi

Posts: 654

Davenport, Iowa, US

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May 19 08 09:38 pm Link

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Hoodlum

Posts: 10254

Sacramento, California, US

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/danhood/fashion%20photos/maysa01-web.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/danhood/odd%20stuff/mark01-meweb.jpg

May 19 08 09:39 pm Link

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190608

Posts: 2383

Los Angeles, California, US

Is that at American River College? smile I thought I recognized the track and the tennis courts.

Dan Hood  mm/moderator wrote:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/danhood/fashion%20photos/maysa01-web.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/danhood/odd%20stuff/mark01-meweb.jpg

May 19 08 09:43 pm Link