Blackula Photography wrote:
so I'm thinking of going back to school for PS to get better at my retouch would you say a typical JC photoshop classes would be enough to teach Magazine level retouch or is this only taught in the art schools

www.blackulaphotography.com

Greetings,

It honestly depends on the particular school and the dedication of the teacher(s) running the program. Heck, the photography program at Seattle Central Community College (which includes top-notch Photoshop classes) has a two-year waiting list because their program is so well thought of.

I'm on the road 4-6 days out of the week talking to and interacting with Adobe's educational and commercial partners. I've come across some amazing JC programs where their students are putting out some amazing work because they have teachers who really care.

You're based in Los Angeles, so you have access to some outstanding JC Photoshop programs: Santa Monica College, Glendale Community College, Pasadena City College, and Orange Coast College (just to name a few). When I taught Photoshop at the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena I would have in my classes many students who had transferred from these JC programs and I was usually impressed with their work. Some teachers (with big time credentials) from the Art Center College of Design even taught at these same JC programs (and some still teach at Art Center AND the particular JC).

A really talented photographer (and pinup model) here on Model Mayhem, Riley Kern, graduated from Orange Coast College's photography program where she took some excellent Photoshop classes. Riley indicates on her profile that OCC is "highly recommended". She is now going to the Art Center College of Design based upon her portfolio developed at OCC.
I know Riley because I photographed her before she got into photography and started attending OCC's program. She is now one of my top three favorite pinup photographers, and at Art Center she has expanded her portfolio to do some very cool fashion stuff.

Adobe recently held the 2nd annual Adobe Education Summit at the Santa Fe, New Mexico workshops. It was a 7 day Lightroom and Photoshop bootcamp for top photographic educators (who were chosen by other colleges). We had many JC programs represented (including Santa Monica College which is near you).

Another local program, Pasadena City College, has a digital media program run by
Laurie Burriss who even has training programs available on www.lynda.com - she is definitely a teacher who knows her stuff!

As I indicated up front, it honestly depends on the particular school and the dedication of the teacher(s) running the program. I think that this is an excellent opportunity for people to post JC programs that they've had excellent experience with.

Cheers!
Rick Miller

LH Photo Master wrote:
You can not learn art, you can learn how to use the styles and tools.

Is there some way we can tell you are an authority on this subject, because I think your statement is pure BS. Possibly you have some credentials or a body of work that would in some way substantiate your claim.

Rick Miller wrote:

Greetings,

It honestly depends on the particular school and the dedication of the teacher(s) running the program. Heck, the photography program at Seattle Central Community College (which includes top-notch Photoshop classes) has a two-year waiting list because their program is so well thought of.

I'm on the road 4-6 days out of the week talking to and interacting with Adobe's educational and commercial partners. I've come across some amazing JC programs where their students are putting out some amazing work because they have teachers who really care.

You're based in Los Angeles, so you have access to some outstanding JC Photoshop programs: Santa Monica College, Glendale Community College, Pasadena City College, and Orange Coast College (just to name a few). When I taught Photoshop at the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena I would have in my classes many students who had transferred from these JC programs and I was usually impressed with their work. Some teachers (with big time credentials) from the Art Center College of Design even taught at these same JC programs (and some still teach at Art Center AND the particular JC).

A really talented photographer (and pinup model) here on Model Mayhem, Riley Kern, graduated from Orange Coast College's photography program where she took some excellent Photoshop classes. Riley indicates on her profile that OCC is "highly recommended". She is now going to the Art Center College of Design based upon her portfolio developed at OCC.
I know Riley because I photographed her before she got into photography and started attending OCC's program. She is now one of my top three favorite pinup photographers, and at Art Center she has expanded her portfolio to do some very cool fashion stuff.

Adobe recently held the 2nd annual Adobe Education Summit at the Santa Fe, New Mexico workshops. It was a 7 day Lightroom and Photoshop bootcamp for top photographic educators (who were chosen by other colleges). We had many JC programs represented (including Santa Monica College which is near you).

Another local program, Pasadena City College, has a digital media program run by
Laurie Burriss who even has training programs available on www.lynda.com - she is definitely a teacher who knows her stuff!

As I indicated up front, it honestly depends on the particular school and the dedication of the teacher(s) running the program. I think that this is an excellent opportunity for people to post JC programs that they've had excellent experience with.

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Hey Rick, thanks for the response and the recommendations! Now that the valley girls are taken care of, is there any kind of reference in place at Adobe for similar recommendations throughout the world? Does Adobe itself provide any educational environments? For instance, is there a place in Chicago that some of the local wizards could attend in an effort to better hone their skills?

Robert Randall wrote:

Is there some way we can tell you are an authority on this subject, because I think your statement is pure BS. Possibly you have some credentials or a body of work that would in some way substantiate your claim.

I don't think he meant that in a bad way. I think he was just trying to say that some people are naturally talented artists which is something you can't learn in school. I really don't think he's discreting any school or program where PS is taught. At least I hope not cause I'd kill to attend a program like that!

Wizardness wrote:

I don't think he meant that in a bad way. I think he was just trying to say that some people are naturally talented artists which is something you can't learn in school. I really don't think he's discreting any school or program where PS is taught. At least I hope not cause I'd kill to attend a program like that!

My take is that he's dropping one line attitude bombs, which I kind of hate. I figure if you haven't got anything constructive to say, keep quiet. On the surface, you might think that makes me a hypocrite, what with all the nasty one liners I zing around in here. But, my purpose with those one line zingers, is to get people to knock off the bullshit. I figure if I embarrass them enough, they'll go away.

Robert Randall wrote:

My take is that he's dropping one line attitude bombs, which I kind of hate. I figure if you haven't got anything constructive to say, keep quiet. On the surface, you might think that makes me a hypocrite, what with all the nasty one liners I zing around in here. But, my purpose with those one line zingers, is to get people to knock off the bullshit. I figure if I embarrass them enough, they'll go away.

lol true... but I kinda took it as it just sounded like it was full of attitude but really wasn't meant that way. But I get what you're saying. I really hate crappy opinionated people especially with nothing to back it up.

But enough thread hijacking. I learn a lot here and I really appreciate the original poster!

Robert Randall wrote:
Does Adobe itself provide any educational environments? For instance, is there a place in Chicago that some of the local wizards could attend in an effort to better hone their skills?

Chicago Area Adobe User Group
http://www.augchicago.org/

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Rick Miller wrote:

Chicago Area Adobe User Group
http://www.augchicago.org/

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Bob,

I'll also put you in contact with one of our Chicago based Solution Engineers, he can also provide you resources local to Chicago. When I visit Chicago next time we can all go out for Chicago-style pizza. Any recommendations? (-;

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Rick Miller wrote:

Bob,

I'll also put you in contact with one of our Chicago based Solution Engineers, he can also provide you resources local to Chicago. When I visit Chicago next time we can all go out for Chicago-style pizza. Any recommendations? (-;

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Please, do let me know, pizza and beer are on me.

Rick Miller wrote:
Here are some free Adobe resources...

Welcome to Adobe Groups - 700 groups worldwide and growing.
http://groups.adobe.com/pages/home

Community Calendars (can filter based on Geo).
http://groups.adobe.com/pages/d69873952 … d98e669826

Adobe TV.
http://tv.adobe.com/

Online events.
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm

Training & Certification:
http://www.adobe.com/training/

Adobe digital career teaching resources - Curriculums.
http://www.adobe.com/education/instruct … reers.html

Higher Education (additional links on the right-side).
http://www.adobe.com/education/hed/

Adobe Design Center.
http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/

RUSSELL BROWN'S ADOBE PHOTOSHOP TIPS & TECHNIQUES.
http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech.html

Julieanne Kost - Adobe's Digital Imaging Evangelist.
http://www.jkost.com/photoshop.html

Adobe Education Technologies blog (I post every fourth post).
http://blogs.adobe.com/edtechatadobe/

Inspire - A publication from the Adobe Experience Design team.
https://xd.adobe.com

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Rick thanks so much for all the info you've given its priceless , and is going to help tremendously when trying to pick out a school

Robert Randall wrote:

Is there some way we can tell you are an authority on this subject, because I think your statement is pure BS. Possibly you have some credentials or a body of work that would in some way substantiate your claim.

Ladies and gentlemen... Bob Randall, High Priest of the Church Of The Painful Truth.

Robert Randall wrote:

Please, do let me know, pizza and beer are on me.

Awesome, thanks! I'll let you know when I'm out there next time.

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Blackula Photography wrote:

Rick thanks so much for all the info you've given its priceless , and is going to help tremendously when trying to pick out a school

You're welcome. I'm glad that the information that I posted is useful for you.

Cheers!
Rick Miller

Robert Randall wrote:
I don't remember the year any longer, I think it was in 92' that Kodak opened the Center For Creative Imaging in Camden, Maine. I was fortunate enough to be an invited attendee during their inaugural month of operation. Color Studio and Photoshop 1.0 were the programs they were teaching. The environment was absolutely electric, the dedication of the staff and students was intense and the amount learned was incalculable.

I wish you people had the same opportunity, and I'm hoping Rick has an answer for this need.

this is what i want. i want to learn properly by people who are great at what they do not because they are famous or infamous but because they kick ass at what they do and it is top shelf quality. i am in pittsburgh pa