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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Blessing wrote:
As someone else already mentioned, the video gona suck if you're recording it stuck onto the camera, chimping alone would make the video annoying to watch. here's some sample unedited video--just under three minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFb-SvjcMxU
http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9sh … -audio-too
now the thing is, if you shoot a three hour shoot, you'll have 180 minutes--more than enough for a tight two minute edited video or a ten minute edited video. many clients would love this.
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Karl Blessing
Posts: 30911
Caledonia, Michigan, US
45surf Photography wrote:
now the thing is, if you shoot a three hour shoot, you'll have 180 minutes--more than enough for a tight two minute edited video or a ten minute edited video. many clients would love this. Especially if your clients are in the POV porn industry, why hire BOTH a videographer and photographer  .
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
S W I N S K E Y wrote:
holy shit!..did you watch the video...that dude was shooting that girl machine gun style....she didn't even move.....bam 5 frames a second...
wowzers... i was just trying to demo shooting stills & video simultaneously, so i needed to shoot a lot of stills for this demo! so i kept the finger on the trigger.  it would have been a boring demo with two or three stills during a two minute video.
many photographers shoot in continuous bursts--that is why canon's latest pro-oriented cameras (7d, 1d Mark 4) boast 2 digic processors.
if you ever go to a runway fashion shoot, or pro swimsuit shoot, you will witness them shooting in continuous bursts. fps is a major marketing and selling point for cameras, because there is a great demand for high fps.
i was shooting with the 5d mark ii which has only one digic processor and is slower than canon's latest, and while i do not normally shoot at such high rates continuously, i was focused on creating a demo for the 9 shooter--showing that one could obtain both useful stills and video simultaneously. so i shot a lot of stills in a condensed period of time.
thanks & best, E
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Blessing wrote:
Especially if your clients are in the POV porn industry, why hire BOTH a videographer and photographer . Actually many highly reputable clients are now requesting/expecting video:
i blog about these industry trends here: http://9shooter.blogspot.com
"From the luminous landscape website:
Chris Sandberg
I attended a lecture/slide show/presentation by photographer Sam Abell last week, as part of the National Geographic Live! season in Minneapolis. Mr. Abell has had a 25-year career shooting for National Geographic, and he was asked what an aspiring young photographer who wanted to follow in his footsteps should do, He responded that the National Geographic now looks to only hire still photographers who are also video-trained! His advice was that young photographers should be sure they are versed in both disciplines.
So, we may be seeing not only the tip of the iceberg on the technology side, but truly a convergence on the artistic side, as well."
Great issue of DIGITAL SLR PHOTOGRAPHY magazine from the UK on the stands right now!!! "pros will be eventually expected to deliver web-worthy package of movies and stills."
Check out the very last page where Caroline Wilikinson writes:
ââ¦. HD video is slowly entering the marketplace as standard in DSLRs and pros will be eventually expected to deliver web-worthy package of movies and stills. There are already examples of where stills and moves have been merged. For instance, have you noticed the moving magazine covers or corporate portraits on website? Video is already starting to take the place of pictures on news providerâs websites too. It was always said a picture is worth a thousand words, well now you can get 24 frames-per-secondânow thatâs a lot more wordsâ¦." --http://9shooter.blogspot.com
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149
Posts: 4193
San Diego, California, US
malibucanyonphotography wrote:
no joke!
http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9sh … -audio-too
http://9shooter.blogspot.com
it's where the industry is headed! yes...
... eventually. but its not here yet.
it might be applicable for basic wedding videos, high school football games and an adult film but you can always capture a still frame from any decent pro or prosumer level HD video cam.
im sorry its still a retardedly cumbersome setup... i understand how this could be useful for a niche market but seriously... if a serious client asked for both video and photography they need to hire two separate people/setups for each job. just because a client asks for something doesn't mean they're right or they know whats best for the production.
im not impressed with the results or it's limitation from what i've seen. videography is about utilizing camera movement... you really think your gonna get that on this rig? no way. also take into account the camera placement of each photo/video-camera will produce inconsistent results.
retarded.
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Clarence Zimmerman
Posts: 4050
Orlando, Florida, US
SCAM Photography wrote:
Last year I bought a D300s and I felt like a complete idiot the first time I used it during a shoot. I did a couple quick videos nd when I got them home you can imagine how stupid I felt when I realized I had turned the camera sideways like I was taking a portrait. Duh moment! ACPhotography wrote:
the still photographer in my consistently turns video cameras sideways, hahahaha... I like cameras without video, I have no business shooting video, lol! HEHE
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15867
New York, New York, US
45surf Photography wrote:
i blog about these trends here: http://9shooter.blogspot.com heads up: writing 'patent pending' where there is no patent pending is a punishable offense in the US
nice find nice blog tho
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
45surf Photography wrote:
if you ever go to a runway fashion shoot, or pro swimsuit shoot, you will witness them shooting in continuous bursts. if?....witness them?
ok....
ps; i didnt realize it was you in the vid, i meant no offense....
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
heads up: writing 'patent pending' where there is no patent pending is a punishable offense in the US
nice find nice blog tho why do you think it would say patent-pending if it wasn't patent pending?
do you fake a lot of things yourself? is that the source of your perspective on the world?
glad you enjoyed the blog!!
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
OUDAME wrote:
yes...
... eventually. but its not here yet.
it might be applicable for basic wedding videos, high school football games and an adult film but you can always capture a still frame from any decent pro or prosumer level HD video cam.
im sorry its still a retardedly cumbersome setup... i understand how this could be useful for a niche market but seriously... if a serious client asked for both video and photography they need to hire two separate people/setups for each job. just because a client asks for something doesn't mean they're right or they know whats best for the production.
im not impressed with the results or it's limitation from what i've seen. videography is about utilizing camera movement... you really think your gonna get that on this rig? no way. also take into account the camera placement of each photo/video-camera will produce inconsistent results.
retarded. suppose a client asked for a video and you hired a dedicated video person but you also continuosly shot video from your rig. would not that extra angle and four hours of footage be a great asset to the final production?
how many serious clients do you work with who asks for something and you tell them, "just because you ask for something doesn't mean you're right or you know whats best for the production." how's that workin' out for you? does that help attract and retain business? do they pay extra for your insight/psychoanalysis/insults? or do they go find someone who can realize their vision and requests?
im not impressed with the results or it's limitation from what i've seen. (you've seen one unedited video running less than three minutes. imagine if 1,000 photographers and video editors were working with this--there would be tons of aweosme results/videos/footage. i have shot a couple dozen shoots with it. it rocks and i have hours and hours of cool footage. ain't nuthin' wrong with hours extra of cool footage for the same amount of work!)
videography is about utilizing camera movement (the video camera is completely mobile)... you really think your gonna get that on this rig? (yes the video camera is completely mobile) no way. (yes way the video camera is completely mobile) also take into account the camera placement of each photo/video-camera will produce inconsistent results. (i'm not sure what you mean by this, but yes different placements of different cameras give different results. is this news?)
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl
Posts: 35726
Los Angeles, California, US
Robert Jewett wrote:
Yes, you have sooooooo many images in your port where you've used this. Wheew. Good thing you have this feature. First of all you have no idea what is in the flickr accounts of models I've worked with.
Second of all I just got the thing 3 months ago.
Third of all I've been in India for 2 of those months on a movie project, where I am now.
Anything else?
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Bloody Nose
Posts: 1579
Ashford, England, United Kingdom
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malibucanyonphotography
Posts: 257
Las Flores, California, US
Kade Madina wrote:
Take a look at the videos on Showstudio.com, then take a look at your results, then tell me you can produce the same quality and dynamics with that mounted rig thing. When a client asks for video they want quality, well produced, dynamic footage not a POV shaky cam mess. Trying to do do stills and video at the same time on one rig and expecting amazing results....its just not going to happen. Many of the videos on showstudio.com have multiple angles.
When you talk about a "POV shaky cam mess," is this the video you are talking about? http://showstudio.com/blog/47233 is that too much shake'n'bake 4 ya?
The 9shooter bracket could provide hours of footage from an extra angle. This would be much cheaper than hiring a second video person.
Also, many clients would not mind a simple two minute or five minute or ten minute video edited from the three hours of footage taken during the shoot, at no extra cost. People want video exposure for their brands these days on social media sites! On youtube and facebook and vimeo! If you want to turn the dynamic stabilization off and shake the camera around to get a shaky video that you're talking about, then have at it! But the dynamic stabilization will keep the video steady. Perhaps even too steady, as major Hollywood feature films are shaking all over the place, on the big screen no less!
Here are some other possible scenarios where it could be useful:
http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9sh … -audio-too
1) Shooting swimsuit models! (or any models for that matter) the model's time is valuable and hard drives and SD cards are cheap! let the video track your every shot throughout a 2 hour shoot, and you will have lots of cool video! more than enough for a two minute or ten minute video!
2) Shooting weddings -- Imagine shooting a two hour wedding, and then being able to offer your clients a ten minute wedding video set to Beethoven, tracking the entire wedding from all the best angles. Yes I know many people say that for weddings you want to shoot a lot of portrait shots, so go ahead and rotate the camera! Sure the video will be sideways, but you can discard a lot footage out of a two hour shoot and still have an awesome ten minute video which would add a lot of value, or hey--use some sideways video to make people laugh. Or crop portrait shots in post from the landscapes -- if you shoot with the 5d they will still be huge. And I am working on a portrait-orientation mount.
3) Shooting sports/ action/ track meets/surfers! I also use the 9 shooter with a monopod with the 9 shooter oriented in the S configuration to shoot surfers. using a canon 7d with a zoom and an HFS200 zoomed in full on the distant surfer, one can shoot continuous stills of the surfer, and the HFS200 naturally tracks them! in fact, in this case, the canon 7d acts as a natural spotting scope for the canon HFS100 / HFS 200 which don't have optical viewfinders. so it's actually easier to shoot video! just think of your canon 7d & zoom as a $2,000 spotting scope. for your $1,000 HFS 200. Will upload the footage soon!
4) Photojournalism: If you are covering an event, why not leave the video running the whole time you are shooting stills?
5) Documentaries: These days the DSLRs shoot video too, so one could go into an interview armed with the power to shoot both stills and two sources of video simultaneously, benefiting from the better audio controls of the canon HFS 10/HFS 200. And too, the HN40 audio system and other mics could be mounted on the nine shooter.
6) Travel: If you're traveling around Paris for a few hours, why not concentrate on getting both awesome video and photography? Now and then you can stop photographing and focus on the videoing only, and vice versa, as the occasion warrants.
7) Real Estate Photography: Imagine if you became the photographer in your community known for shooting both video and photography of all the homes! Real Estate Agents would love you! And with just a bit more time, you could increase revenues.
8) Paparazzi: Imagine how much better TMZ/Perez Hilton/E! would be if all their photographers/videographers had nine shooters! (I actually never go by these sites, but know some people who do, out here in LA)
9) Audio! A camera shutter makes a lot of noise, so why not mount a remote mic close to the action--perhaps on the bride or groom at a wedding or on the speaker at a lecture--with the radio receiver mounted on your 9shooter and plugged into your camera or audio recorder.
10) Everything! So often in the visual arts the moment happens once and is gone forever. Now you have a better way of immortalizing it in both stills and videos. Mount lights, monitors, mics, flashes, receivers, recorders, and more! The 9shooter keeps your flash bracket free, and/or too, it could be mounted atop your camera.
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Blessing wrote:
As someone else already mentioned, the video gona suck if you're recording it stuck onto the camera, chimping alone would make the video annoying to watch. what does "chimping" mean? do you chimp during shoots?
did ansel adams chimp during his shoots? is it some sort of advanced technique only taught in elite photography schools? how does your "chimping" make video "annoying to watch?" thanx!
do you jump around, acting like a chimp? because that would be pretty annoying. is this how you shoot? please do share some videos, as while it would be pretty annoying to the model having to endure it, it would also be entertaining on youtube! thanks in advance 4 sharing ur expert chimping technique! 
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
S W I N S K E Y wrote:
holy shit!..did you watch the video...that dude was shooting that girl machine gun style....she didn't even move.....bam 5 frames a second...
wowzers... why are people so amazed at burst sequences, or shooting in continuous mode?
and the 5d mark ii i was shooting with only has one digic processor. the 7d has two digic processors and a much higher frame rate.
canon and nikon all use their frame rates as major selling points. so i assume many people use them.
so why the shock and awe (with expletives even) to see a camera shoot in continuous mode? isn't that what the feature (Which canon takes great pride in) is there for--to be used?
the reaction puzzles me ... "wowzers" indeed! omfg 5fps lzozlzlzlzl wowzers zlozlzlz holy #$#$!
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
OUDAME wrote:
yes...
... eventually. but its not here yet.
it might be applicable for basic wedding videos, high school football games and an adult film but you can always capture a still frame from any decent pro or prosumer level HD video cam. what? are you telling me you can capture a still from an HD Video cam that matches a still from a canon 5d mark ii???? you do realize that the HD codec is far, far more compressed than a still photo from a canon 5d mark ii?
have you tried this? please do share your results!
thanks!
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Blessing wrote:
45surf Photography wrote:
now the thing is, if you shoot a three hour shoot, you'll have 180 minutes--more than enough for a tight two minute edited video or a ten minute edited video. many clients would love this. Especially if your clients are in the POV porn industry, why hire BOTH a videographer and photographer . OUDAME wrote:
yes...
... eventually. but its not here yet.
it might be applicable for basic wedding videos, high school football games and an adult film but you can always capture a still frame from any decent pro or prosumer level HD video cam. why do so some photographers, like the above, automatically associate film with porn and the adult industry?
i have a theory as to why this is.
1) their own personal consumption of film and video is by and large porn, as opposed to say watching more exalted videos or films such as lord of the rings or the matrix or star wars, or watching news clips on youtube or comedy shows or dramas on hulu, or science videos across the web, or documentaries such as "inside job," or behind-the-scenes fashion shoot videos. so when they see any mention of digital "video", their brains automatically go "lzozlzozo pron! lzozlzl omglzozl pov pron! lzozlz!" like they are living in 1995.
2) some photographers are opposed to having to learn a new skill such as video. so when they see other photographers utilizing video, they try and belittle them and put them down by associating online video with porn and the adult industry, as if we are living in 1995, and not 2010. this is unbecoming of them, while also tipping their hand. no?
but truth be told, as victor hugo said, "one cannot not stop an idea whose time has come." one ignores industry trends--and the rising demand for video--at one's own peril. the fact is that more and more clients are requesting/demanding video. i blog about these trends here: http://9shooter.blogspot.com
"From the luminous landscape website:
Chris Sandberg
I attended a lecture/slide show/presentation by photographer Sam Abell last week, as part of the National Geographic Live! season in Minneapolis. Mr. Abell has had a 25-year career shooting for National Geographic, and he was asked what an aspiring young photographer who wanted to follow in his footsteps should do, He responded that the National Geographic now looks to only hire still photographers who are also video-trained! His advice was that young photographers should be sure they are versed in both disciplines.
So, we may be seeing not only the tip of the iceberg on the technology side, but truly a convergence on the artistic side, as well."
Great issue of DIGITAL SLR PHOTOGRAPHY magazine from the UK on the stands right now!!! "pros will be eventually expected to deliver web-worthy package of movies and stills."
Check out the very last page where Caroline Wilikinson writes:
ââ¦. HD video is slowly entering the marketplace as standard in DSLRs and pros will be eventually expected to deliver web-worthy package of movies and stills. There are already examples of where stills and moves have been merged. For instance, have you noticed the moving magazine covers or corporate portraits on website? Video is already starting to take the place of pictures on news providerâs websites too. It was always said a picture is worth a thousand words, well now you can get 24 frames-per-secondânow thatâs a lot more wordsâ¦."
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
OUDAME wrote:
retarded. why do some photographers descend to hurling dergotatory, insulting phrases, and then run and hide, rather than backing up their contentions in a positive way and simple words, utilizing logic and reason? what's up with that?
surely we ought all express ourselves with the utmost respect for one-another. this will greatly enhance the development of our art and these forums.
thanks!
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
photoimager wrote:
But it doesn't have the advantage of a Nikon lens for the video ....................
I can well imagine doing low angled shots .........................
Balances better having a hotshoe flash on a stroboframe bracket .........
Seriously, if it works for the OP, fine, but it is unlikely to be a suitable solution for all. Manfrotto have long had a bar in their range for mounting two cameras alongside each other which would enable low level shots. Thanks for the feedback.
You write, "Balances better having a hotshoe flash on a stroboframe bracket .........
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What do you mean by this? Have you tried this? Any pictures? Thanks 4 sharing!
You write: "Seriously, if it works for the OP, fine, but it is unlikely to be a suitable solution for all. Manfrotto have long had a bar in their range for mounting two cameras alongside each other which would enable low level shots. "
Yes--indeed--seriously! No more kidding around now! And that is seriously good news that it is fine with you if it works for the OP. If it were not fine, then that would not be so good.
Where is this Manfrotto bar that you speak of? How will mounting two cameras beside one-another "enable low-level shots?" Are not low level shots achieved by taking a camera to a lower level? Why do we need a bar and two cameras mounted side-by-side to achieve low-level shots? Who does this? Do you do this? Any pictures? Thanks!
Yes, like every other camera device out there, it "is unlikely to be a suitable solution for all." Thanks for sharing. . . but is this somehow news?
Thanks for your feedback! Clarifying your points would rock. Thanks in advance!
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
DBVE Imaging wrote:
Instantly increased the value of the Canon and the nikon! most importantly, it just increased the value of the photographer and the value of the photographer/videographer's time!
rock on!
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45surf Photography
Posts: 147
Los Angeles, California, US
awesome take on it from EC photography! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 … =photo_tag "Cheap Wedding Photo-Video package from EC Photography! Why hire two persons while one person can do two jobs at once. That's right! Me! " i have never shot a wedding, but it would def. be good for that!
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