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Art of the nude wrote: Stanley L Moore wrote: You aren't, best I can tell, a young female model. Jul 22 12 02:50 pm Link Art of the nude wrote: True enough. Maybe I am old school but I was taught at Mother's knee to always be respectful to young ladies (of any age). So it is beyond my ken to suspect handsome young male models would behave in any way that is ungentlemanly. I know crudity and bluntness rather than politeness is more the order of our degenerate modern times. Maybe I have outlived the virtues of a more gracious past. Jul 22 12 07:54 pm Link I have observed a LOT of problems/advances from the male "models" in my city - and I use the term models with hesitancy. I know there are actual and professional male models in some areas, but in smaller cities... Jul 23 12 05:55 am Link So far I have had only good boyfriends escorting shoots... I am glad I lucked out so far. One had helped the model putting phenomenal outfits together before the shoot. Others I keep occupied by having them hold the reflector, and then other boyfriends have been helpful carrying and watching over my gear. My feeling is that when I include them in the shoot, things are fine. Jul 23 12 08:02 am Link Vickie Lan Photography wrote: 30-40 shoots with boyfriends present - no problems. Another 50-60 shoots with parents, friends, other models present - no problems. Jul 23 12 12:49 pm Link Vickie Lan Photography wrote: I generally invite boyfriends / husbands to the shoot, it's wonderful to do some couple shots and help the model(s) feel at ease but, I do have an issue with how escorts are something presented. Jul 23 12 12:58 pm Link Retro Wks wrote: Consider yourself lucky. Jul 23 12 12:59 pm Link ASYLUM - Photo wrote: How about a model showing up for a shoot with a random photographer from the Internet alone? Need I mention a certain model and a certain person that showed up with her for my shoot? Jul 23 12 01:00 pm Link Ken Marcus Studios wrote: I agree. I'm glad that one of the most popular photographers on MM thinks likewise. The thing with other people on the set interfering is bullshit. If you can't concentrate or keep people on your set in check then maybe you should consider collecting stamps for a hobby. Jul 23 12 01:09 pm Link Digital Photo PLUS wrote: Ya know what's funny? Ken Marcus Studios wrote: He also admits to being ripped off by [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_llama herder_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_llama herder_Wagon.jpg[/img]s, and admits that they only account for 20% of the models that he shoots. Jul 24 12 12:03 am Link I thought I was going to troll this thread with some crazy ass story to make this obscenely ridiculous... on a lark....but eh. Reading thru has been entertaining enough, so it seems. When I model, I don't like escorts with me unless they are doing a job of some sort. I do not like being watched by a spectator, even less so by someone who has no real comprehension of what I am doing... I like bringing other models with me and taking turns at being shot. When I shoot, I have had escorts steal from me. I let the model know and see what they do from there, then we go from there. I don't like escorts unless they are willing to run to the store to get me some tea, hold the reflector, make themselves useful, and kindly stfu. If they can do that, I love them. I'm busy, I see something I need to catch with my lens, I have no time to dilly dally as my models makeup wilts. I also do not like it when the models look to the escort for reassurance. My stance is 'It makes you feel better? Great, go home and have him/her take a picture of you in the bedroom... that's not my goal here so do the job you said you could do, or help me cut my losses and we'll cut out early.' Just how I feel about it. Jul 24 12 12:17 am Link Image K wrote: Yup. That's not an llama herder, that's a driver. Jul 24 12 12:28 am Link ArtemisAesthetic wrote: As has been said on other threads. Jul 24 12 07:38 am Link "Boyfriend escorts" can be trouble in other ways than just their presence as I learned a few hours ago. I read into the lines of whom I am dealing with as best as I can. In the first shoot attempt with this 18 year old Mayhem model, she messaged about being late to the shoot because she and her boyfriend had to pick up her boyfriend's sister in one part of town and then drop her off at his mom's in another part. For me, it was reschedule because she wanted to shoot in the evening after that commuter task was completed. Due to domestic reasons, I don't start shoots in the evening. And reading the lines, I could sense some sort of dependence/dominance issues here that set off some flags to me. But I really liked her look and for her age she seems to be prolific and focused so I kept discussions with her via FB. We set up for later this afternoon, but I practically called off the shoot with her because she insisted her boyfriend be allowed in the living room. And she really went off about it. I politely told her in our initial prior discussions that husbands, parents or other understanding relatives and girlfriends are ok to wait inside. But a boyfriend would have to wait in the car or go to the mall across the street. (At the time, she didn't reply to that during that chat.) During this final chat, she went off on a rant about her boyfriend being all wonderful and all the other photographers "luv" him and she was not about to let him wait in the car for three hours, that would be "rude." S he profusely kept asking why can't he wait inside and then insinuated that I would "try sh-t" with her. She just went off like a volcano and wouldn't stop. I conceded a couple points to her but, man, she would not stop. She asked why I was being "flaky" about her boyfriend. I politely replied that I would have some trust issues of my own with a very young man on my set that was neither husband nor relative. I told her another model I worked with a few weeks ago kept her boyfriend in the car the whole time and then she inferred her boyfriend was too good for that. I continued that of the twenty-three equally beautiful female models I've shot with the past couple years, I didn't "try" a single thing with any of them. And nineteen of them had NO escorts of any kind. Indeed, all I've worked with are listed and I highly doubt any of them would have a bad word to say about me. In fact, a couple of them told me even though I paid less, these zany skits were more fun than regular photo shooting.  Some of these Mayhem ladies, I have worked with more than once. I was getting pretty freaked out by this model's overly huffy and incessant verbiage. So I told her this conversation was going off the rails and as I was about to wish her luck with her pursuits, she cut off the chat (which is sitting in my FB chat as a captured lesson for the future) and blocked me, ha ha. Since there is another model involved for this afternoon's shoot, I believe I will have to call it off in the interest of safety. The 18-year old was volatile enough and according to one of her posts on FB, the boyfriend packs heat. Ah,Texas! Fortunate that I'm not using my home studio right now. So in the interest of keeping the other model and myself away from a potential scene, regardless, I'm calling the shoot off as much as I want to really do it. My domestic life, it's hard to find free days and weekends to shoot especially since the weather is not hot here yet. But safety first since the 18 year old has the time and shoot address...as well as the attitude. I wouldn't count on it but it is possible they could show up to continue (or conclude) the FB chat. :p From my experience so far, husbands have been ok. They didn't bother the shoot as such. Patiently played their phone games or watched TV until we were done. I guess I've just been lucky so far as that's concerned. And of escorting un-related males, in my experience? I did one shoot where one model brought her male "manager" unannounced. He was ok but as I was setting stuff up here and there, he saw my guitars and asked if I could "play something." I mean, really, time is literally money on a shoot when I'm paying, eh? So I just popped on a YouTube vid of me playing a cover of Shocking Blue's "Demon Lover" and went back to what I was doing, Another shoot, I offered to let a model's boyfriend come inside to wait. Upon meeting him, he seemed to be a decent and safe guy. Initially the agreement with the model was to have him wait outside and he preferred to remain doing so. Only problem is, he kept coming inside to ask her something this or that...one time to ask, "Everything ok, babe?" To me, she briefly seemed uneasy at that particular moment as the recording was on. I don't have a set escort policy (yet) so I'll have to finally put a mention in my profile. But on the eve of this shoot, two late responses from my recent mass PM rush are in the inbox. One is 26, the other is 35...and they look great and are interested in near future possibilities. Another time we shall say. Lessons learned, things to consider. Love da Mayhem! Mar 27 16 04:21 am Link Years ago I was working on a shoot for a woman who's husband insisted on being there. We were shooting in and around their apt. He told me how to do her hair, makeup, what she typically wore. He hated everything I tried to do. She on the other hand was loving my direction. Finally I asked he to leave. I couldn't take it. It was a complete nightmare. The photographer gave me free rain to do so because he was driving us both crazy. The images we got were great after he was gone. Of course he hated them. I asked him if he really had met his wife as he was trying to create an image of her that was not at all who she really was. I believe they are now divorced! I hate when models bring anyone other then the people who should be there. I am not there for them to "help me do my job" R- Mar 27 16 08:18 am Link |
