Stanley L Moore wrote:
The leather seats are from animals of that are already di
ead. You did not kill them or call them to be killed. Buy the car.

there are some vegans who take that stance. 

Others, wouldn't buy the car.  Depends on their personal stance and how militant they are.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Suppose you are car shopping (used) and you find the ideal car at the ideal price and it's in pristine condition ... but it has leather seats. Do you buy it anyway?

Yeah.
It's used; I'm not adding to the supply and demand of leather or encouraging more leather to be "made" in buying it.

Jules NYC wrote:
Die-hard vegans would not buy the car or date anyone that ate meat.

It would be nice to hear from an actual vegan who would not buy the car.  otherwise it's kind of just other people gossiping about what vegans would or wouldn't do.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
It would be nice to hear from an actual vegan who would not buy the car.  otherwise it's kind of just other people gossiping about what vegans would or wouldn't do.

I became a vegetarian for a die-hard vegan and know these answers.
I eat fish now and can't speak for anyone, but knowing the man 4 years, I can state what I did.

He is only one man but a GREAT activist.
One if the reasons I admired him.
Living his creed and all.


I'll exit the thread.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Suppose you are car shopping (used) and you find the ideal car at the ideal price and it's in pristine condition ... but it has leather seats. Do you buy it anyway?

Why do you want to eat a car ?

scrymettet wrote:
Why do you want to eat a car ?

I'm not a vegan and it's not about eating a car. Most people I know refer to a person as vegan if they want absolutely nothing to do with any product that has ties to animals. In other words, if a particular brand of cosmetics is made using animal fats, they won't use those cosmetics. They aren't eating the cosmetics. They are consuming them, though, if they use them.

  In this case, the car isn't new, they didn't order it that way and they probably aren't shopping for a car specifically that has leather seats.  One just happens to show up on their radar.

Jules NYC wrote:
Die-hard vegans would not buy the car or date anyone that ate meat.

The Die hard Vegan YOU know would not buy the car and dictated YOUR meals.
Not all Vegan people are the same.

vegans are about at diverse as most other groups of people.
They are vegan for many reasons and have differing rules of what sort of vegan lifestyle they choose to live.

Jules NYC wrote:
Die-hard vegans would not buy the car or date anyone that ate meat.

Death of Field wrote:
The Die hard Vegan YOU know would not buy the car and dictated YOUR meals.
Not all Vegan people are the same.

vegans are about at diverse as most other groups of people.
They are vegan for many reasons and have differing rules of what sort of vegan lifestyle they choose to live.

I know one girl who will not date anyone who eats/uses animal products.

What that really boils down to, and I think she's starting to realize it, is that she will be single pretty much forever, because only 2% of the world's population is vegan.

If you even randomly meet another vegan, it's pretty awesome, let alone meet one who is romantically compatible with you.

I think it's silly. Sometimes, people eating meat grosses me out a little, but the fact is I'm the minority, and I live in a world of meat-eaters. It's none of my business what other people do, and I don't want to be alone for the rest of my life, so it's my problem, and not anyone else's.

Lohkee wrote:
I would have thought it would be practically **impossible** to not consume animal products in some way, be it cosmetics, medicine, etc, etc, etc.

It is, especially considering how many plants are to some degree animal products.  Many plants, particularly vegetables we use as food, require animals to pollinate them, and many of those animals are domesticated and live entirely in human captivity.

Death of Field wrote:

The Die hard Vegan YOU know would not buy the car and dictated YOUR meals.
Not all Vegan people are the same.

vegans are about at diverse as most other groups of people.
They are vegan for many reasons and have differing rules of what sort of vegan lifestyle they choose to live.

No one dictates anything... anything I do.

I chose to become a vegetarian because he challenged me to.
So I did.

He never forced anything from me.
I read so much up on it, he helped my health.

I never met anyone that cared as much for animals than he.
I liked that.

I questioned if he loved animals more than people.
Still don't know the answer to that.

Yes, not all vegans are like that.

...and just for the record, I'd date a meat-eater.
I respect people that eat organic/farm raised beef/chicken.

I appreciate people that take care of their health but not militant about having wine or enjoying life.

It's part of my culture.

Jules NYC wrote:
Die-hard vegans would not buy the car or date anyone that ate meat.

not true

wife's as die-hard of a vegan as it gets, i'm not, she doesn't care, it's her own lifestyle that she adheres to herself, without forcing me to, and in return i completely support her lifetstyle

and to answer the thread question, most vegans who avoid animal products in clothing, other materials, etc as well as dietary would probably avoid buying a car with all-leather interior

Koryn Locke wrote:
The animal whose skin made that jacket died for absolutely nothing.

This isn't necessarily true.  Most leather hides come from cows that were slaughtered for meat.  Same with alligators, ostriches, etc.

C h a r l e s  D wrote:

This isn't necessarily true.  Most leather hides come from cows that were slaughtered for meat.  Same with alligators, ostriches, etc.

the entire concept of veganism though is that an animal dying solely for the purpose of supplying human needs is dying for no worthy reason

Danger Ninja Production wrote:
the entire concept of veganism though is that an animal dying solely for the purpose of supplying human needs is dying for no worthy reason

With that logic, the animal is born and alive for no worthy reason, too.
And, that's not what she said.  She said, "The animal whose skin made that jacket died for absolutely nothing." 
The animal died for meat.  Leather is a by product in this case.  I can't think of any cows that are bred and raised exclusively for their leather.

C h a r l e s  D wrote:

With that logic, the animal is born and alive for no worthy reason, too.

only from a human's perspective

Danger Ninja Production wrote:
only from a human's perspective

Since humans breed and raise them, leather is a happy by product.

Eyesso wrote:
What exactly are the advantages of a leather seat that justify a taking cow's life?

Again, leather is a by product of the meat industry.  The cows life was taken for its meat.  Would you like us to throw the leather away?  We're still going to eat the meat.

Several in here have mentioned they would buy the car if used.  The cow is already "used" for its meat. 

Eyesso wrote:
The meat has no nutritional value, ...

Absurdly untrue. 

Eyesso wrote:
...besides too much...cholesterol....

somewhat true.

Eyesso wrote:
I should have clarified.....meat has no nutritional value that cannot be obtained in a healthier way from plant based foods.   So it itself it has nothing to offer that isn't attached to negative health consequences when overeaten, and most Americans overeat meat.

Fantastic!  Well done.  Thank you.

Eyesso wrote:
Maybe a more important question.......why do some vegans smoke?   

Save the cows, but kill the person walking behind you.....be consistent man! 

My roommate is this person.  Vegan smoker.

Danger Ninja Production wrote:

not true

wife's as die-hard of a vegan as it gets, i'm not, she doesn't care, it's her own lifestyle that she adheres to herself, without forcing me to, and in return i completely support her lifetstyle

and to answer the thread question, most vegans who avoid animal products in clothing, other materials, etc as well as dietary would probably avoid buying a car with all-leather interior

She cares more about you than an animal then.
That is a good thing.

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Suppose you are car shopping (used) and you find the ideal car at the ideal price and it's in pristine condition ... but it has leather seats. Do you buy it anyway?

I feel like second hand leather doesn't really count.

C h a r l e s  D wrote:
Again, leather is a by product of the meat industry.  The cows life was taken for its meat.  Would you like us to throw the leather away?  We're still going to eat the meat.

Several in here have mentioned they would buy the car if used.  The cow is already "used" for its meat.

are you sure? I don't believe that leather is a by product, I believe it is a separate product from separate sources.

Eyesso wrote:
Maybe a more important question.......why do some vegans smoke?   

Save the cows, but kill the person walking behind you.....be consistent man! 

LOL!

Wynd Mulysa wrote:

It would be nice to hear from an actual vegan who would not buy the car.  otherwise it's kind of just other people gossiping about what vegans would or wouldn't do.

Ex Vegan here, 40+ years Vegetarian.

I was never much for the 'wont touch leather' thing.

What about animal testing for cosmetics and meds?
A billion? rodents a year killed.
Do vegans use cosmetics and RX?