Marin Photography NYC wrote:
Darn..missed the fireworks!

I'll sum it up for you...

> New model (who was over 30 if I remember) stereotyped all nude offers as coming from 'creepy old men.

> She is cited as being abrasive and condescending concerning people who pose/shoot nudes.

> Her 'apologies consist of sarcastic insults and humorless attempts at wit by comparing herself to Adolf Hitler.

> She is reminded that she may be a bit narrow-minded, you know, for a woman who herself poses nude.

> She continues to insult everyone.

> Not surprisingly, very few come to her defense.

> She leaves to site.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

salvatori. wrote:

I'll sum it up for you...

> New model (who was over 30 if I remember) stereotyped all nude offers as coming from 'creepy old men.

> She is cited as being abrasive and condescending concerning people who pose/shoot nudes.

> Her 'apologies consist of sarcastic insults and humorless attempts at wit by comparing herself to Adolf Hitler.

> She is reminded that she may be a bit narrow-minded, you know, for a woman who herself poses nude.

> She continues to insult everyone.

> Not surprisingly, very few come to her defense.

> She leaves to site.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Awesome summary! Thanks.  Again, I missed the fun! LOL  Hitler reference - geeze...craziness.

GPS Studio Services wrote:


The OP has asked a legitimate question, but I also understand why some are getting their feathers ruffled.   I don't think anyone needs to though.  I don't think she intended to do that.

It is quite obvious, for a new female model, they are quickly inundated with offers for nudes.  I think this is a good thread to explain to the OP why you do nudes, and for those who don't to chime in as well.

wrongsideofthirty wrote:
She may have asked a "legit" question but I don't see why any photographer here should have to "explain why they shoot nudes" to someone who doesn't understand why people want to shoot them.

sorry, some people just don't get it, and the OP seems to be one of them; that's not a criticism or a putdown or any type of slight intended to the OP its just an observation from reading her post

besides does anyone really want to listen to all the cliches about "the beauty of the human form"

welcome to MM

This is one of those threads that, no matter what you do, it is going to turn out badly.   You are absolutely right.   I tried to get it on track, but even the OP wasn't willing to bring the rhetoric in line.

I think it was a good thread because it demonstrates how tone is everything.  The OP could have asked the same question and had a productive discussion if she hadn't decided to insult everyone in sight.

Filles de Pin-up wrote:
Alternative summary.

Model signs up, gets inundated by requests to do porn/nudes when profile says implied.

Models asks if MM is just creepy old dudes. The answer is MM is chock full of creepy old dudes, and creepy young dudes. That is probably how a lot of models earn a living. It also has a lot of really outstanding photographers which few tried to point out.

Old thin skinned photographers and thin skinned model traded insults.

Model deleted profile.

Rather than promote photography, old thin skinned photographers convinced model that all photographers really are creepy old dudes who just want to photograph young girls nekkid.

yes, we all could have done a lot better.

Agreed.

Also, having seen some of the messages sent to a male model who joined this site, and assuming that the female models get the same or worse, I'm actually surprised at the number of models who join this site and actually stay.

I don't know what can be done about it, though.

By the way, I have contacted a few models on MM who say they don't do nudes and offered them nude work, but I hope I haven't come across as creepy.  It certainly wasn't the intention.

salvatori. wrote:

I'll sum it up for you...

> New model (who was over 30 if I remember) stereotyped all nude offers as coming from 'creepy old men.

> She is cited as being abrasive and condescending concerning people who pose/shoot nudes.

> Her 'apologies consist of sarcastic insults and humorless attempts at wit by comparing herself to Adolf Hitler.

> She is reminded that she may be a bit narrow-minded, you know, for a woman who herself poses nude.

> She continues to insult everyone.

> Not surprisingly, very few come to her defense.

> She leaves to site.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

A fine summary, although I must mention that I don't see what her being over the age of 30 has to do with the colour of mustard...but still a fine summary.

Eugenya wrote:

A fine summary, although I must mention that I don't see what her being over the age of 30 has to do with the colour of mustard...but still a fine summary.

Probably has something to do with creepy old guys that want to shoot young models.  30 is younger than 70, but it’s not 18-19. (cause that’s what creepers want to shoot).

Jason Chambers wrote:

Probably has something to do with creepy old guys that want to shoot young models.  30 is younger than 70, but it’s not 18-19. (cause that’s what creepers want to shoot).

Thanks for your input.  I stand firm, though.

Eugenya wrote:
A fine summary, although I must mention that I don't see what her being over the age of 30 has to do with the colour of mustard...but still a fine summary.

Jason Chambers wrote:
Probably has something to do with creepy old guys that want to shoot young models.  30 is younger than 70, but it’s not 18-19. (cause that’s what creepers want to shoot).

This seems to be in the same spirit as the OP.  Photographers really don't need to justify why they create the images that they do.

ETA:  Perhaps the OP was expressing sour grapes because photographers were passing over her.

Filles de Pin-up wrote:
Alternative summary.

Model signs up, gets inundated by requests to do porn/nudes when profile says implied.

Models asks if MM is just creepy old dudes. The answer is MM is chock full of creepy old dudes, and creepy young dudes. That is probably how a lot of models earn a living. It also has a lot of really outstanding photographers which few tried to point out.

Old thin skinned photographers and thin skinned model traded insults.

Model deleted profile.

Rather than promote photography, old thin skinned photographers convinced model that all photographers really are creepy old dudes who just want to photograph young girls nekkid.

yes, we all could have done a lot better.

Exceptionally well said!

Filles de Pin-up wrote:
yes, we all could have done a lot better.

I don't know... can we? can we really?