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Earth's Next Major Extinction Event is--
Jun 22 15 12:55 pm Link "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"  Pogo daily strip from Earth Day, 1971 Studio36 Jun 22 15 01:12 pm Link Evacuating Tokyo still has not been totally ruled out. West coast birds and marine mammals are now having very poor breeding success and high mortality rates -- could even toss this in - Rev 16:3 The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became like the blood of a corpse, and every living thing died that was in the sea http://enenews.com/10-endangered-whales … oxin-audio http://enenews.com/tv-emergency-survey- … -happening http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150619/1023584984.html “It’s still possible that Tokyo may have to be evacuated, depending upon how things go.” Toxic algae bloom shuts down West Coast fisheries http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m … story.html Japan Weighed Evacuating Tokyo in Nuclear Crisis http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/world … -says.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … aster.html Tokyo to speed up evacuation planning http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/1 … -planning/ Jun 22 15 05:54 pm Link Extinction, climate change, species dropping off like flies... The sad thing is, at this point, there is really nothing we can do to stop it. The point of no return has already been reached. The warnings were apparent decades ago, yet nothing was done.. nothing continues to be done, now we have to adapt and survive like what's left of the planet. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre … rming-nasa http://climate.nasa.gov/400ppmquotes/ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 072912.htm Jun 22 15 06:50 pm Link Earth has experienced both drastic climate change and mass extinctions in the past, so it would be foolish to think those things cannot happen again...and even more foolish to think that we can do anything to cause or prevent it. When it happens, it happens and we will be dead. Jun 23 15 09:20 am Link “If we do nothing, in the next 50 years it will be a completely different world, something that humanity has never experienced” Gerardo Ceballos (from the linked article) Right now, even compared to 10 years ago, we live in a world that humanity has never experienced. And as humanity slowly wends it's way toward it's inevitable end, is posting overly sensationalistic articles about the obvious really the best use of your time? Jun 23 15 10:09 am Link ernst tischler wrote: Science disagrees with you... Jun 23 15 01:26 pm Link I think it's foolish to believe nothing can be done. I for instance remember the choking smog in Los Angeles in the early 80s - it's nothing like that now. Jun 23 15 01:33 pm Link Giacomo Cirrincioni wrote: Hell, it was science that got us into this. Jun 23 15 02:02 pm Link ernst tischler wrote: Yes, some drastic climate changes in the past had nothing to do with humanity; however, this event is being caused by the rise of manmade CO2 in the atmosphere ever since the beginning of the Industrial Age. At the moment we can prevent it from getting worse by changing our behaviour. Jun 23 15 02:38 pm Link ernst tischler wrote: Giacomo Cirrincioni wrote: Is it real science or is it the science of politics driven by those who seek more and more control and wealth. Jun 23 15 03:43 pm Link J O H N A L L A N wrote: That is like comparing "weather" to "climate". Jun 23 15 03:44 pm Link Toto Photo wrote: Google this Jun 23 15 03:48 pm Link Less than 4,000 miles from where you're sitting there is a mass of iron that is about the same temperature as the surface of the sun. Here are a couple of graphs showing rising levels of volcanic and seismic activity over the past century or so.   Take a look at this map of combined volcanic and seismic activity. Consider that in relationship to rising temperatures in the Pacific Ocean.   I wonder if there would be more attention paid to those trends if it were politically advantageous to do so. You know, somehow blame a corporation or industry for that heat seeping out of the earth and into the atmosphere. What do you think? Jun 23 15 04:12 pm Link still-photography wrote: The ususal suspects will either turn into crickets or twist some vague chart and call all of us who dissagree "deniers"... Jun 23 15 06:30 pm Link Dr. Baliunas on Weather Cooking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcAy4sOcS5M https://twitter.com/NJSnowFan/status/612439416045350913 http://icecap.us/images/uploads/ANURGEN … ICEAGE.pdf South Island wakes to record freeze http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/ … ord-freeze June on track to be coldest summer for 40 years http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home … .129399539 Should be green by now, and have thousands of sheep grazing Brokke - Suleskard FV337 13. Juni 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=40&v=0rermLyiujk "I have ridden several mountain passes up along the coast, and there is a lot of trees that’s not even started to get green yet, and now the summer solstice is here. I made a short clip of my ride over the Brokke-Suleskard road. This area should have been green by now, and have thousands of sheep grazing". Jun 23 15 07:29 pm Link Michael Bots wrote:
Jun 23 15 07:44 pm Link still-photography wrote: Less than 40 inches from this guy is 1800 degree lava. Jun 23 15 07:47 pm Link still-photography wrote: Back in the 70s, us young whippersnappers were all concerned with the environment and pollution. It seemed like things were changing and it did. There was a cost. American industry shut down, or moved across political borders. But the air is different now. The rivers are different. Some species were brought back from the edge of extinction. Back in the 60s and 70s, we were told of an impending global ice age because of all the pollution. Then a volcano erupted. I don't remember which one. One of the adults said to me, "How are you going to clean the air now?" In the 70s, I could only be responsible for what I could be responsible for. I didn't dump oil from my car on the ground. I didn't litter. I did things that I could do. I clean trash from forests and streams (still do). If the Earth blows itself up, it blows itself up. But we can be responsible for what we do and we can do what we do better. We know we have an impact, be it DDT or CO2. We can blame other countries or natural phenomena. We can only be responsible for ourselves or be irresponsible. Jun 23 15 08:09 pm Link If this continues how long till humanity ends? Jun 23 15 08:33 pm Link Cyclical climate changes are not a threat to the existence of humans as a species. Local pollution is not a threat either. Stop dumping garbage and industrial waste and in 50 or 500 years you won't be able to tell anything was ever there. Even features like the Great Barrier Reef are transient, existing only at high water in the short interglacial periods. A million years - humans have already seen 10 of those. The real threats are radioactive poisons, cosmic impact events and large volcanos (Toba, Yellowstone, etc) Fukushima has leaked as much already as all the bomb testing ever did, even though it is still somewhat structurally intact and still holds most of it's poison - so far. (but It's still leaked.more than Chernobyl). The operators still don't know where the reactor fuel cores went. They haven't even gotten inside to look as the radiation is lethal in minutes and even kills the robots sent in. They promised a reactor meltdown would be a 1000 year event. The average so far is about once every 10 years with hundreds of them are at end of life.. Do you think a major war would not target power infrastructure (bomb material production) and be orders of magnitude worse? (just off the NW edge of the Toba caldera) Pyroclastic Flows Eruptions At Sinabung Volcano Indonesia 19th June 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UggCmpwNVKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iSFM-T-F_0 To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrar … g-is-here/ Britain faces FREEZING winters as slump in solar activity threatens 'little Ice Age' http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/58 … r-activity Antarctic Sea Ice May Force Research Stations to Move http://news.discovery.com/adventure/ant … 150512.htm Row over IPCC report as nations 'try to hide lack of climate change’ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/e … hange.html 50 years http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06 … g-says-mp/ http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/16/r … ere-wrong/ Climate scientists urged to cover up slow in global warming, it is claimed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/e … aimed.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … wrong.html http://www.iceagenow.com/Looming_Threat … ooling.htm "Climate changes in the geologic record show a regular pattern of alternate warming and cooling with a 25-30 year period for the past 500 years." Jun 24 15 04:45 am Link Well, if we just make sure we all make proper backups, some new intelligent species in the future can see what we looked like. Just make sure to keep the RAWs next to the end result, otherwise they would have a distorted view of mankind ;-) Anyway, we can all make a difference to the world: don't litter and it will stay cleaner, don't poison and it will stay healthier, be kind and the world will be a happier place. In essense it is very simple, but we tend to forget since we are all busy, buy, busy... BTW, saying: "it happened before in nature, so we can't help it" has the same logic as: "I can't have killed him. People died before I lived as well." a pretty poor defense, because although 1 statement in it is very true, it does not exclude the posibility that that statement is not true NOW. Nor is it an excuse to kill people. Acid rain was becoming a big problem. 'We' took measurements and the rain became less acid. Smog has been successfully reduced in numerous cities. The large rivers in Europe haven't been cleaner in decades than they are right now, because dumping of toxic waste has been banned and enforced. Salmon is even returning to the Rhine. CFKs got banned from hairspray: not only did it save us from big hair, it gave the ozone layer a chance to start recovering. So yes, we have a impact on our environment. And if you think that's not true: do this home-scale-experiment: try not using the toilet, but the living room and see how long it takes before you can't bare it anymore... :-p Jun 24 15 05:17 am Link NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: Another artifact from (dot).gov -- lower the official records of historic temperatures (by 2 degrees F) with some sort of artificial adjustment and suddenly it's warm today and you can show a trend. (see chart at last link below) Jun 24 15 08:58 am Link Toto Photo wrote: Yep. We need to stop reproducing... and we need another world war, plague or some other catastrophic event so we can pare the population down by 90% or so. Jun 24 15 09:08 am Link Michael Bots wrote: So let me see if I have this straight: you are in the "there is no warming" camp. Lightcraft Studio wrote: And you are in the "warming is absolutely real, but there's nothing we can do about it" camp. Jun 24 15 09:14 am Link NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: I'm all for cutting/reducing pollution and waste, certainly. I also believe that climate is always changing, and goes in long term cycles as we can see from all the ice age patterns and so forth. Jun 24 15 09:26 am Link NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: No significant human influence camp. Jun 24 15 09:33 am Link Michael Bots wrote: No significant human influence but we are warming? Jun 24 15 09:37 am Link NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: Cooling. (1/2 degree F per decade for the U.S. - the daily variance is at least 40 times larger) Jun 24 15 09:40 am Link NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: Michael Bots wrote: y=0.62; not very significant relationship in the trend data in the date range (but if you change the date range = what happens to the trend?) Jun 24 15 09:40 am Link Michael Bots wrote: It was pretty brazen of those guys to change that data when they had no hope of concealing their actions, don't you think? Jun 24 15 09:45 am Link The plan worked fine until it started to cool off in the late 90's . Start when it's warming up anyway and convince the public that something so scary, so overpowering, so threatening to their children is all their fault and you have to change your ways. A green jobs program to bail out the economy in other words. Throw out everything you have and replace it all. Less energy for more money. So what if everyone has to forget about the 70's "The Glaciers Are Coming" meme. We have guys that can sell anything.  NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote: Just pull the research grants from and publicly vilify anyone that doesn't play along with the plan. Easy. Jun 24 15 09:48 am Link Lightcraft Studio wrote: Well if you look at the history of population surges... it all started due to oil.. When the oil runs out (in the next 100 years or so) we'll probably see the population stablize. Around about that time, the population is predicted to be about 10 billion. Jun 24 15 09:49 am Link If you look really hard, and break out the calculator and do some number crunching, you might be able to detect a little pattern that does predate the industrial age:  Jun 24 15 09:53 am Link It's already cooler than the Medieval Climate Optimum a thousand years ago (sorry - now renamed to Medieval Climate Anomaly --- optimum sounded too good) when the Vikings farmed in Greenland and Labrador and the maximum altitude you could grow wheat in Norway was 3,000 feet higher than it is today. I'm not sure when it's going to look like Hoth again around here, but I am sitting 60 feet away from a boulder the size of a dishwasher dumped by melting glaciers. Jun 24 15 10:25 am Link Solas wrote: We've seen surges with every advancement. When we learned to use animals to help with our work, when we learned to use tools, and definitely when we started to harness energy and make machines. We can produce way more food nowadays, we can distribute food better, and so on. We're also getting better at dealing with disease, pests and other medical issues, so that also means we live longer and newborns have better chances of surviving. Jun 24 15 10:33 am Link Lightcraft Studio wrote: You may notice that according to that graph it should be getting cooler when in fact it is not (Michael's protestations notwithstanding) Jun 24 15 10:34 am Link The global cooling thing of the 70s is what you get when you listen to the media instead of actual scientists. Even back then the consensus was that we were going to cause things to warm up. The global cooling guys were way out on the fringe. Jun 24 15 10:35 am Link A matter of scale. It's down by 5 degrees in 4000 years. A fifth of a degree of noise in a century won't show. The Coming Ice Age A true scientific detective story http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/ 70's Consensus? Cooling + Neutral = Warming until 76 Number of papers classified as predicting global cooling (blue) or warming (red). In no year were there more cooling papers than warming papers  https://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-ag … ediate.htm Jun 24 15 10:37 am Link Michael Bots wrote: What's the motive? Jun 24 15 10:53 am Link |
