Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
Mark Z is an elitist , pud.  He is the personification of evil, totalitarian intent. No better or worse then out president.

WTF?  Seriously?  No one is forcing anyone to use FB.  Come and go as you please.  I have to LOL at some of these melodramatic over-reactions.

It's great there are alternatives, but, I guesstimate it'll be a while, if ever, they'll steal away FB's thunder.

I don't use FB as much anymore.  All anyone does share dumbass memes.  Nobody posts original content anymore.  Haha.  I used to think it'd be cool to stay in touch friends and family and see what they are up to.  Ummm...not really. 

Michael Bots wrote:
FB and Google track you on this very page (as one example)
You are using FB  (and Google) here whether you have a FB account or not
                        www.facebook.com/pages/Model-Mayhem/245691915584
                        plus.google.com/109362733266515389330

see
https://youtu.be/_vLpzKo6NI8?t=49

Fuck them!

Black Z Eddie wrote:

WTF?  Seriously?  No one is forcing anyone to use FB.  Come and go as you please.  I have to LOL at some of these melodramatic over-reactions.

It's great there are alternatives, but, I guesstimate it'll be a while, if ever, they'll steal away FB's thunder.

I don't use FB as much anymore.  All anyone does share dumbass memes.  Nobody posts original content anymore.  Haha.  I used to think it'd be cool to stay in touch friends and family and see what they are up to.  Ummm...not really. 

Who forces people to become addicted to drugs? To become slaves to marketing? Waste away in front of the television, or games that are designed to create addicts?

Nobody. But there are people out there more than willing to exploit and profit off the weakness of the average person. Some people do it very effectively.

Sandra Vixen wrote:

Sites opened to public commerce , even private, are still considered public under some state laws



The problem are users who create tons of fake accounts to report and silence those they don't like

I agree, it should be regulated like a cable tv station as part of the public trust. Especially since google/ Facebook want to control the public and how the communicate. Notice how so much is tied to those two entities, and how they are involved in politics, and progressive causes of the month. Of course most people who consider themselves progressive think that just great, that is until their or is the one that is being gored.

Michael Bots wrote:
FB and Google track you on this very page (as one example) -- no choice.
   -- see those icons at the bottom of the page - where do you think they come from?
You are using FB  (and Google) here and almost everywhere else whether you have a FB account or not
                        www.facebook.com/pages/Model-Mayhem/245691915584
                        plus.google.com/109362733266515389330

see
https://youtu.be/_vLpzKo6NI8?t=49

And to me that is a major problem. So F them.

Black Z Eddie wrote:

WTF?  Seriously?  No one is forcing anyone to use FB.  Come and go as you please.  I have to LOL at some of these melodramatic over-reactions.

It's great there are alternatives, but, I guesstimate it'll be a while, if ever, they'll steal away FB's thunder.

I don't use FB as much anymore.  All anyone does share dumbass memes.  Nobody posts original content anymore.  Haha.  I used to think it'd be cool to stay in touch friends and family and see what they are up to.  Ummm...not really. 

Regardless, they are intrusive and will continue to grow in their intrusiveness. There is no value in that.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
>>>>>  Grammar Police Mode ON >>>>>

I don't think the OP really meant "socialist" in the thread title.  A "socialist" is an advocate of "socialism", which is defined as...
"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole".  That really doesn't describe Facebook -- if it did, I'm sure that FB would have more nudity and less ads, for example.

Perhaps the OP meant "fascism", which is defined as...
"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism".

>>>>>  Grammar Police Mode OFF >>>>>

I hate when people assume that "socialism" is a bad word.  I think, for example, that socialized healthcare might be a good thing, but since "socialism" ends with an "ism", people assume it is bad, to be avoided, unAmerican, etc.

While you will ultimately disagree some people think Socialism is a bad thing.  It is a failed political system and ultimately implodes like it did in the Soviet Union.  That only took 80 years.

Shadow Dancer wrote:

People misuse cell phones, does anybody blame Apple and Samsung?
People misuse automobiles, does anybody blame Ford and Toyota?
People misuse guns, does anybody blame Smith and Wesson?



The Darwin Awards indicate that there are spectacularly stupid people all around us. That some of them don't accidently kill themselves is probably more a coincidence than anything else.

Facebook just sits there. If people misuse it, that is on the people not on the commodity.

Sure people blame guns all the time. Where have you been for the last 25 years.

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:

Sure people blame guns all the time. Where have you been for the last 25 years.

Oh, I know they blame "guns".
I suppose there are also rants similar to this one only about Smith and Wesson specifically instead of Facebook.

We are getting a one-sided presentation from the OP with no examples of any of her posts that might have gotten her account deleted. We have learned what everybody that works at Facebook believes, or at least what she believes they believe. I suspect complaints from other Facebook account holders are more responsible for any disciplinary action than the opinions of staff. I don't know that to be true but it seems reasonable in my experience.

Since nobody is required to use guns or Facebook the common denominator is a lack of logical thinking skills and/or ovewhelming emotional turmoil. These are the root causes of illogical complaints about stuff.

Facebook is simple, I use it to as one way to promote and it works well. I don't say much of anything to anybody about anything at all, like the forums here it is a reliable way to engender misunderstandings. It is not a reliable tool but it is free. There is no more freedom of speech there than there is here on MM.

If younger people can only use Facebook, as described by the OP, I would simply leave them by the wayside. They are laziily deploying an ineffective strategy and will wither on the vine.

OK, everybody can go back to their silly "Facebook is the Great Satan" rants now.

Roy Hubbard wrote:
Who forces people to become addicted to drugs? To become slaves to marketing? Waste away in front of the television, or games that are designed to create addicts?

Nobody. But there are people out there more than willing to exploit and profit off the weakness of the average person. Some people do it very effectively.

Weakness?  You mean narcissism and scandalism and stupidism and lazism?  (ok, I got a little bit silly there, lol).  What, nobody takes responsibility for their actions anymore?  In this day and age, when you're online, you always have to assume data is being collected and act accordingly.  I learned this back in 2000.

Looknsee Photography wrote:
>>>>>  Grammar Police Mode ON >>>>>

I don't think the OP really meant "socialist" in the thread title.  A "socialist" is an advocate of "socialism", which is defined as...
"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole".  That really doesn't describe Facebook -- if it did, I'm sure that FB would have more nudity and less ads, for example.

Perhaps the OP meant "fascism", which is defined as...
"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism".

>>>>>  Grammar Police Mode OFF >>>>>

I hate when people assume that "socialism" is a bad word.  I think, for example, that socialized healthcare might be a good thing, but since "socialism" ends with an "ism", people assume it is bad, to be avoided, unAmerican, etc.

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
While you will ultimately disagree some people think Socialism is a bad thing.  It is a failed political system and ultimately implodes like it did in the Soviet Union.  That only took 80 years.

I'm not a socialism advocate, not across the board, but in certain isolated instances, I'd want some socialism-leaning solutions.  For example, like I said, healthcare for all.

Michael Bots wrote:
FB and Google track you on this very page (as one example) -- no choice.

Track what..and so what?  Tracked that "Black Z Eddie" was in forum A, then, B, then C?  Then "Black Z Eddie" posted a message that everyone can see anyways.  lol. 

Michael Bots wrote:
-- see those icons at the bottom of the page - where do you think they come from?

What icons?  These icons?  If so, what about 'em.  They are just links.  Please don't tell me people actually have alarmist conspiracy theories about these icons with links.

Black Z Eddie wrote:

Michael Bots wrote:
FB and Google track you on this very page (as one example) -- no choice.

Track what..and so what?  Tracked that "Black Z Eddie" was in forum A, then, B, then C?  Then "Black Z Eddie" posted a message that everyone can see anyways.  lol. 


What icons?  These icons?  If so, what about 'em.  They are just links.  Please don't tell me people actually have alarmist conspiracy theories about these icons with links.

Those links kill people.

Michael Bots wrote:
View page source
          look at the url's that are referenced in lines "3" and "4"

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Not just links

find  -->  <div class="SocialBlock">
                          (facebook link) -->   class="facebook"

There are JavaScript  calls throughout the code

Your references show "facebook" in the code.  This goes to back to my question/statement "...so what?"  The fact you're still using MM despite knowing this probably it's really that much of a concern.  MM are complicit in working with FB to get these integrated.

The fact you vaguely state "There are JavaScript calls throughout the code" means you don't know what ALL of these are really doing.  Is it really any worst than what other sites are doing?

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:

While you will ultimately disagree some people think Socialism is a bad thing.  It is a failed political system and ultimately implodes like it did in the Soviet Union.  That only took 80 years.

USSR was communist
Socialism is not the same thing

Sandra Vixen wrote:
Socialism in politics can have many forms, communism is a form of socialism, abet an extreme example

@Shadow Dancer FB does not give one a trial before blocking you, its judge jury and executioner with no reason

That said, I can only assume some recent posts or discussions, even a few arguments with other users may have been involved, or just one in the bunch however I am not told and I can only guess

There were various arguments on taxes, abortion, education fraud, etc. I don't have views that slign with most political parties, and for all I know a few or even one user has a personal issue with me but isn't able to man up and say it to my face

Their stadium, their horses, their rope, their rodeo.

They don't force you to use Facebook, you CHOOSE to do so. They don't owe you anything, neither does MM or any other voluntarily joined socially dysfunctional free and worth every penny website.

They have zero affiliation with any government, privately owned and held and operating in cyber space. They can ban you permanently for any reason they choose. Read the TOA completely, when you create an account you are agreeing to allow them to nuke you with zero recourse.

Don't like it, don't agree. Simple and done. Has nothing to do with me, by the way.
Ranting about it on here accomplishes nothing.

Sandra Vixen wrote:
I think individual users should be prosecuted for false reporting but FB has so much bias in the reports it acts or doesn't act on

Prosecuted?  Seriously? Prosecuted?  You want the legal system to waste their time on social media drama?

WisconsinArt wrote:
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Beats the heck out of me why people subject themselves to that.

It all depends what you are making off it and how you use it!

People always use the worst scenario of the most moronic posters that share the most private things about themselves to share with the world, to limit the usefulness of FB as a tool.

I share only occasionally something personal... e.g. two weeks ago, when talking about how deeply the song Katyusa moved me, as I hum that song since childhood, when it was played in my parents home... and I only now understood the full meaning behind it, thanks to the CC - English subtitles and actually knowing the name of the song that I was humming or whistling all my life...

Well... besides that... I am using FB around 90% for business... and I am also running the, by far largest group for NYC based casting calls for models and actors, which will have about 20,000 members around the end of July...

Because of FB and my efforts and dedication to help talent to find gigs, paid and trade, a lot of people in the artist community are able to pursue their passion and profession.

It's simple: don't post things you don't want to have on the internet!