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FFantastique

Posts: 2535

Orlando, Florida, US

From CBSNews: Enemy of the State
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-chinese … e-state-2/

He uses his art as a weapon!

Jul 17 17 05:35 am Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

I've seen a lot of Weiwei's work (not n person, I'm afraid) , and have made an honest attempt to understand it and him. But I don't have a great sense of conceptual art, and it's hard for me to tell the difference between bullshit and acclaimed work.

Which if you read between the lines, can probably be taken to be my impression of Weiwei.

That said, when guys like this come around, it serves as a lesson for how the art market works. Despite the insistence on this site that the cream will always rise to the top, that's not how it works. Not usually, at any rate. It's about being in the right place at the right time, or riling people up just the right way, or having a tragic/romantic/unbelievable backstory as an artist.

I want to stress, as an artist ... Photos of paralympic athletes will never get as much traction as those same photos made by a paralympic athlete. An interesting story might get you success in that one image, but to spin that into a career you need to have that same air about yourself.

As far as tech skills and rising cream, you just need to not suck. Or, you need to suck so badly that it looks like you're doing it on purpose. When it comes to technical skills, the presentation (or the print, for photographers) is imperative; everything leading up to that point is not.

On the on hand, some of the stuff like giving everything the finger is stupid and juvenile, and doesn't express anything other than anger and rebellion in the lowest common denominator. On the other hand, when you're speaking out against a powerful association, that's often all they understand - subtlety and intelligent points go right over the their head and get ignored. Think about some of the most controversial art: Trump's head, Charlie Hebdo, Piss Christ ... Almost none of it actually makes a logical, defensible point (which does have he advantage of also not being assailable) , nor does it undermine the subject in any tangible way.

What does Piss Christ say? Not what's said ABOUT it ... What does the actual piece say? That Jesus, and by extension Christianity is unclean? Big fucking deal - that's literally the entire foundation of Christianity: that all human beings (even Jesus) are unclean sinners. That piece doesn't make a single point that undermines Christianity in the least; all of that stuff is added after the fact.

But it gains traction because it states in no uncertain terms "fuck Christianity." Nothing more than that, but it's simple enough that we all get it.

I don't think there are too many parallel universes where Weiwei is equally successful. I think if you change his circumstances just a little bit, his work becomes indistinguishable from that of a petulant, angry teenager, farming out his homework.

But that doesn't really matter, nor does it matter when similar criticism is made of other artists, or of the art world itself. We're not in other universes - we're in this one.

Jul 17 17 07:08 pm Link

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Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9775

Bellingham, Washington, US

In the context of the life and culture I feel he has created a powerful and lasting body of work.

His early work was communication art, almost a form of punk rock with the profound difference that his creations came with serious and severe consequences where the punks were trying to get "the authorities" to push back with very little response. In countries where there is freedom, you can ignore people and they will go away.

He did not find the esoteric useful, until he did (porcelain sunflower seeds for one) and then he went to great lengths to follow his vision.

I found his story interesting and certainly worthy of broadcast on a major network show. It does not matter if I agree with him that all artists must be activists, certainly he has earned that perspective in a way that I cannot speak to at all.

Jul 17 17 07:57 pm Link

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FlirtynFun Photography

Posts: 13926

Houston, Texas, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
I've seen a lot of Weiwei's work (not n person, I'm afraid) , and have made an honest attempt to understand it and him. But I don't have a great sense of conceptual art, and it's hard for me to tell the difference between bullshit and acclaimed work.

Which if you read between the lines, can probably be taken to be my impression of Weiwei.

That said, when guys like this come around, it serves as a lesson for how the art market works. Despite the insistence on this site that the cream will always rise to the top, that's not how it works. Not usually, at any rate. It's about being in the right place at the right time, or riling people up just the right way, or having a tragic/romantic/unbelievable backstory as an artist.

I want to stress, as an artist ... Photos of paralympic athletes will never get as much traction as those same photos made by a paralympic athlete. An interesting story might get you success in that one image, but to spin that into a career you need to have that same air about yourself.

As far as tech skills and rising cream, you just need to not suck. Or, you need to suck so badly that it looks like you're doing it on purpose. When it comes to technical skills, the presentation (or the print, for photographers) is imperative; everything leading up to that point is not.

On the on hand, some of the stuff like giving everything the finger is stupid and juvenile, and doesn't express anything other than anger and rebellion in the lowest common denominator. On the other hand, when you're speaking out against a powerful association, that's often all they understand - subtlety and intelligent points go right over the their head and get ignored. Think about some of the most controversial art: Trump's head, Charlie Hebdo, Piss Christ ... Almost none of it actually makes a logical, defensible point (which does have he advantage of also not being assailable) , nor does it undermine the subject in any tangible way.

What does Piss Christ say? Not what's said ABOUT it ... What does the actual piece say? That Jesus, and by extension Christianity is unclean? Big fucking deal - that's literally the entire foundation of Christianity: that all human beings (even Jesus) are unclean sinners. That piece doesn't make a single point that undermines Christianity in the least; all of that stuff is added after the fact.

But it gains traction because it states in no uncertain terms "fuck Christianity." Nothing more than that, but it's simple enough that we all get it.

I don't think there are too many parallel universes where Weiwei is equally successful. I think if you change his circumstances just a little bit, his work becomes indistinguishable from that of a petulant, angry teenager, farming out his homework.

But that doesn't really matter, nor does it matter when similar criticism is made of other artists, or of the art world itself. We're not in other universes - we're in this one.

well said...I WILL say that TRUE artists...artists whose work is consistently great and who have a penchant for always being in the right place at the right time will maintain a long term reputation for great work. The shock value artists whose work sucks might garner attention in a 15 minutes of fame, however they usually fizzle out.

Jul 19 17 06:26 am Link