Tony From Syracuse wrote:
I have seen alot of documentaries on Pearl Harbor...what I haven't seen was how the end game would have went even had they had a totally successful strike.

so they knock out our ships...I suspect the invasion would have been a real bloody mess for them. it all comes down to troop transports,tanks and planes. I don't see how they could have established a strong enough foot hold to successfully move inland enough to successfully invade. its all about jump off points. they would have had to capture the island to use as a staging area with landing strips. I dont think they could have held it via that and a ship fleet.

now that I think about it its interesting the lack of analyzed scenarios regarding this. its like all we ever talk about was their half successful sneak attack....never what their ....next steps were. you know...Pearl Harbor...then what?

After the war a high ranking Japanese General was asked why they didn't try to follow up with an. invasion and his reply was that they didn't consider it because Americans were all armed with guns.
Second reason was the the supply line would have been too long.
IMO there was no scenario where Japan could have invaded us even if the war was a total success in Asia, with the exception of a joint effort with Germany, who faced similar problems, That of course was the basis for the Amazon Prime series "The Man in the High Castle"

Red Sky Photography wrote:
That 'every American had a gun' story has no factual basis. No quotes by any Japanese General or official.

Ah but ignorance needs no factual basis. PolitiFact has completely debunked the false claim:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … us-becaus/

At the very same time that the Japanese launched their attack on Pearl Harbor, they simultaneously launched their invasions against Thailand and Malaysia. A week later they began their invasion of British Burma. The attack on Pearl Harbor was just one part of an overall strategy. Launching an invasion against the American homeland was never considered.

Of course after Pearl Harbor and then on Dec. 11, 1941 when Hitler declared war on the US, we can assuredly say that Winston Churchill was the happiest bloke in the world.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
I don't think we could successfully be invaded.

It already happened, from the inside.

JustHenry wrote:

It already happened, from the inside.

I know, right? Destroying institutions of democracy, aiding and abetting the nation's enemies, delegitimizing an election and building a Fifth Column of MAGAT sedition with the intent of returning to power  the "rightful leader" of the adoring, chanting masses is well on its way. Whoever said "it can't happen here"?

JustHenry wrote:

It already happened, from the inside.

And if Democracy can hold, the invader will be out of office January 20, 2021.

JustHenry wrote:
It already happened, from the inside.

What Republicans are doing isn't an invasion, it is sedition.

JustHenry wrote:

It already happened, from the inside.

I know! when not using all that democracy to censor and delete anything damaging on social media and cancelling people for language, they at least found out the hard way, that so much of america isnt on board with their nuttiness.

the question is will they learn from it or double down on their cult like leanings.  BUT...its going to be an interesting couple years as they hide Biden from the public and have him exist mainly via tightly edited "clips". maybe they could employ the services of Lucas Arts.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
BUT...its going to be an interesting couple years as they hide Biden from the public and have him exist mainly via tightly edited "clips". maybe they could employ the services of Lucas Arts.

Don't be naïve Tony.  The dems used Biden to get Harris elected, they will eat their own and toss Biden in under two years so Harris can be the first woman president, it's been the plan all along, I just hope they do it before the mid-term elections.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
I know! when not using all that democracy to censor and delete anything damaging on social media and cancelling people for language, they at least found out the hard way, that so much of america isnt on board with their nuttiness.

There are far too many people who are opposed to facts. I'm sorry you consider the people who are reality-based to be nuts.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:

I know! when not using all that democracy to censor and delete anything damaging on social media and cancelling people for language, they at least found out the hard way, that so much of america isnt on board with their nuttiness.

the question is will they learn from it or double down on their cult like leanings.  BUT...its going to be an interesting couple years as they hide Biden from the public and have him exist mainly via tightly edited "clips". maybe they could employ the services of Lucas Arts.

JustHenry wrote:

Don't be naïve Tony.  The dems used Biden to get Harris elected, they will eat their own and toss Biden in under two years so Harris can be the first woman president, it's been the plan all along, I just hope they do it before the mid-term elections.

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Ahhh Yeah, I think that's enough QANON for one night there boys.



If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

Rik Williams wrote:
Ahhh Yeah, I think that's enough QANON for one night there boys.

Sorry to disappoint you but I've never been to a QANON website and I don't use FakeBook so I have no idea what QANON is espousing.  I can't even name one person associated with QANON.  My thoughts and opinions are my own.

JustHenry wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you but I've never been to a QANON website and I don't use FakeBook so I have no idea what QANON is espousing.  I can't even name one person associated with QANON.  My thoughts and opinions are my own.

See this is why tRump loves the poorly educated so much.
Try educating yourself by reading some legitimate news then henry, (not tRump news, he's a convicted fraudster and racketeer)
Are you aware Mr.Biden won by a yuge* margin and like it ir not, he's going to be your new president

JustHenry wrote:
Don't be naïve Tony.  The dems used Biden to get Harris elected, they will eat their own and toss Biden in under two years so Harris can be the first woman president, it's been the plan all along, I just hope they do it before the mid-term elections.

I am far more worried about Biden than Harris. We got the senate, we can temper any of their usual batshit craziness. Far more worrying is “The big guys “penchant for using official offices to help him and his son cash grab from foreign govenments. Who knows what deals he makes to keep the money rollin in.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
I am far more worried about Biden than Harris.

Didn't know they served in Pearl Harbour during WWII

Rik Williams wrote:

See this is why tRump loves the poorly educated so much.
Try educating yourself by reading some legitimate news then henry, (not tRump news, he's a convicted fraudster and racketeer)
Are you aware Mr.Biden won by a yuge* margin and like it ir not, he's going to be your new president

Not visiting a QANON website makes me poorly educated?  That's a strange conclusion.

And here we are again, rather than discussing the issue(s) you instead try to demean, put down and insult someone with opposing views. Even Biden's victory announcement on his official website calls for an end to that type of behavior but you just can't help yourself can you?  And you call Trump divisive.  As we say in the south, bless your heart.

JustHenry wrote:
Not visiting a QANON website makes me poorly educated?  That's a strange conclusion.

And here we are again, rather than discussing the issue(s) you instead try to demean, put down and insult someone with opposing views.

"...the dems used Biden to get Harris elected, they will eat their own and toss Biden in under two years so Harris can be the first woman president, it's been the plan all along, I just hope they do it before the mid-term elections..."

What MAGATS call "discussing the issue(s)."

"Discussing the issues" involves accepting facts, not conspiracies. Sorry, MAGATS, leaves you out.

JustHenry wrote:
It already happened, from the inside.

The above quote indicates you don't know what an invasion is.
The above quote was you delivering a divisive and off topic comment in your thread.

JustHenry wrote:
Not visiting a QANON website makes me poorly educated?  That's a strange conclusion.

And here we are again, rather than discussing the issue(s) you instead try to demean, put down and insult someone with opposing views. Even Biden's victory announcement on his official website calls for an end to that type of behavior but you just can't help yourself can you?  And you call Trump divisive.  As we say in the south, bless your heart.

Despite your multiple calls for an end to the divisiveness, you have posted multiple comments that are divisive.  Shall I quote all your divisive posts just from this thread?  How about just this last post?
"... but you just can't help yourself can you?"
"And you call Trump divisive"
"As we say in the south, bless your heart."   And please, don't pretend they aren't put downs.

Really Henry, how did you manage to make this topic:

JustHenry wrote:
Let's pause for a moment and remember those who died that day.

divisive?  You just can't help yourself, can you? I hope that helps with perspective, bless your heart.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
I am far more worried about Biden than Harris. We got the senate, we can temper any of their usual batshit craziness. Far more worrying is “The big guys “penchant for using official offices to help him and his son cash grab from foreign govenments. Who knows what deals he makes to keep the money rollin in.

I am surprised you would say such negative things about the big guy.  Though he is more obese then big. 

It was an interesting four years while trump totally disregarded the emoluments clause.  I hope that the courts, in the coming months and years, require trump properties to refund every penny he took in on government contracts, government payments to trump properties for his protection, and from every lobbyist and foreign government that bought a drink, slept in a room, or partied in a trump property.  trump should pay back the government every fee which he obtained from his members at Maralargo.

After the deplorable spectacle that trump has made feeding at the government trough and scooping up the cash from his donors, you must be very pleased that Biden is developing a strict protocol for the next four years regarding even the appearance of impropriety. 

While we wait and see if some kind of criminal charge comes up to haunt Hunter Biden, I expect that we will not hear a pin drop in protest from you if trump and his family start to face civil and criminal cases from their activities in the government.  I know, because you are ethical and moral people, that you won't apply a double standard.   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … story.html

JustHenry wrote:
[...]
Not visiting a QANON website makes me poorly educated?  That's a strange conclusion.

[...]

Not at all. When you admit one of your main news sources ("about an hour in the morning") "The Tara Show"---- a talk radio show that does nothing but parrot the ultra right wing conspiracies that QAnon has either started or subscribes to....

Denying the "Proud Boys" and  "QAnon" have become integral parts of the Trump party in the face of the pictorial evidence of their involvement in the violent protests....

Nope---that is what makes me think you are you poorly educated.

Failure to accept the elections results--- that makes you delusional.

Saying the election was all a plot to get Harris as president---- labels you as a conspiracy nut---- --I will just assume like a lot of Trumpists--- you havent met a conspiracy theory yet you didnt like

rfordphotos wrote:
[..Not at all. When you admit one of your main news sources ("about an hour in the morning") "The Tara Show"---- a talk radio show that does nothing but parrot the ultra right wing conspiracies that QAnon has either started or subscribes to....

Denying the "Proud Boys" and  "QAnon" have become integral parts of the Trump party in the face of the pictorial evidence of their involvement in the violent protests....

Nope---that is what makes me think you are you poorly educated.

Failure to accept the elections results--- that makes you delusional.

Saying the election was all a plot to get Harris as president---- labels you as a conspiracy nut---- --I will just assume like a lot of Trumpists--- you havent met a conspiracy theory yet you didnt like ]

How much time have you spent listening to Tara's show?  Be honest.  If it is zero then how do you know where she gets her opinions from?  I'd be willing to bet I spent more time listening to NPR last week than you did listening to Tara's show.

As for the Proud Boys and QANON, I haven't voiced any opinion of either of those groups here.  Personally I pay zero attention to either group.

Failing to accept the election results?  We can't discuss that here now can we?

And of course the poorly educated comment is another failed attempt to demean, degrade, diminish and insult me so looks like you are following your normal, divisive pattern.

JustHenry wrote:
Failing to accept the election results?  We can't discuss that here now can we?

Yeah, we can discuss the results.

"In a letter to Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Mitchell delivered a scathing rebuke of Trump’s actions, declaring that it is “unacceptable for political candidates to treat our election system as though we are a third-world nation and incite distrust of something so basic as the sanctity of our vote.”"

“If Republican leaders collectively sit back and tolerate unfounded conspiracy theories and ‘stop the steal’ rallies without speaking out for our electoral process ... our nation will be damaged,” Mitchell said in the letter,

“As elected members of Congress, we take an oath to ‘support and defend the Constitution of the United States,’ not to preserve and protect the political interests of any individual, be it the president or anyone else, to the detriment of our cherished nation,” he said. “As a result, I am writing to advise you both that I am withdrawing from my engagement and association with the Republican Party at both the national and state level.”


It is no less appalling that members of the public dismiss a fair and honest election result, especially when the public has spoken to oust a corrupt and self serving crook such as trump.

JustHenry wrote:
How much time have you spent listening to Tara's show?  Be honest.  If it is zero then how do you know where she gets her opinions from?  I'd be willing to bet I spent more time listening to NPR last week than you did listening to Tara's show.

As for the Proud Boys and QANON, I haven't voiced any opinion of either of those groups here.  Personally I pay zero attention to either group.

I think we can tell where she gets her opinions and you have admitted where you get yours.  Just because you don't climb to the top of the tree to pick your fruit, doesn't mean it doesn't come from the same tree.  You don't know if your opinions come from Qanon and the proud boys because you don't look.
______________________________________
The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 4
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: The implications and aftermath of cheating in the election will make it difficult to do things in a civilized fashion going forward; What armed conflict against a corrupt US government would actually look like; Super spreader event traced to medical conference about the pandemic

The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 3
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: “Ghost” guns from Polymer 80 and complying with the law; The folly of critical race theory; Obama misses being president

The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 2
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: What people ought to be prepared to do to defend America as founded; Supreme Court rejecting Texas case opens the door to other states violating the Constitution with impunity

The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 1
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: America’s greatness and relying on the Supreme Court; What armed conflict against a corrupt US government would actually look like; Supreme Court rejected Texas suit because they were intimidated by the Democrats threats to pack the court

The Tara Show December 10 2020 Hour 1
Hunter Biden being under investigation for money laundering isn’t news, only his admission is; 18 states including SC join Texas in Supreme Court lawsuit against swing states for breaking election law

The Tara Show December 9 2020 Hour 4
At least now we know how America has been manipulated for the last several decades; Leftists overplayed their hand in taking over the country

The Tara Show December 9 2020 Hour 1
Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe details how China owns myriad members of Congress (and the Biden family); Leftist media want to shut down Parler while ignoring hate speech against men, whites, and normal Americans on Facebook; The immense threat of Chinese influence in American politics

The Tara Show December 11 2020 Hour 1
The massive importance of the Texas suit against swing state election violations in the Supreme Court; Appreciating Bob McLain for bringing Tara to WORD; Biden planning executive order to confiscate guns upon taking office

The Tara Show December 8 2020 Hour 4
Israeli general claims existence of a Galactic Federation populated by extraterrestrials (and that Donald Trump knows about it); The collapse we’re seeing is not of America but of federalism

The Tara Show December 8 2020 Hour 1
Dems planning to steal GA runoff election like they stole the presidential election and Gov. Kemp isn’t doing anything about it; Lindsey Graham thinks GA election malfeasance could lead to a civil war; What the country will look like if socialists can steal the reins of power; Judge in NY decided illegal votes must be included and handed the 22nd District election to the Democrat; Government surveillance on American citizens

The Tara Show December 8 2020 Hour 2
Similarities between today’s national circumstances and the offenses by the British crown against American colonists that led to the American Revolution; Letter criticizing Christmas decorations illustrates the intolerance of the “equality” socialism promises; Lindsey Graham thinks GA election malfeasance could lead to a civil war
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NPR shows
"You Bet Your Garden"
"Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me"
"TED Radio Hour"
"All Things Considered"
"Fresh Air"
"1A"
"Here And Now"

JustHenry wrote:
How much time have you spent listening to Tara's show?  Be honest.  If it is zero then how do you know where she gets her opinions from?  I'd be willing to bet I spent more time listening to NPR last week than you did listening to Tara's show.
[...]

I have never heard a word out of Tara Servatius. I consider that a blessing.

I have EVERY intention of keeping that way.

Plenty of ignorance running around in the world, I see NO REASON to seek it out on the radio. Plenty of hate and division---dont need to hear her hate filled daily diatribes.

Just a quick sampling of the "Tara Show" listings from the station's website...
lets see what she offers:
---- same old conspiracy theories QAnon sells...
---mainstream media are ALL liars
---Bill Barr is actually a democratic agent
---Democrats plan to "steal the election"
---repeating and amplifying Lindsey Graham's seditious statements about "civil war"
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December 11, 2020
The Tara Show - 12-11-20 - Hour 3
Mainstream media pretending that the investigation into Biden family corruption is new; Bill Barr covered up Biden family scandal so it wouldn’t affect the election; SC still ranks among the most dangerous stat…

December 09, 2020
The Tara Show - 12-9-20 - Hour 4
At least now we know how America has been manipulated for the last several decades; Leftists overplayed their hand in taking over the country

December 09, 2020
The Tara Show - 12-9-20 - Hour 3
Eric Swallwell was groomed for Congress by Chinese spy; Russian scholar predicted the end of America ten years ago and now it looks like it’s happening

December 08, 2020
The Tara Show - 12-8-20 - Hour 1
Dems planning to steal GA runoff election like they stole the presidential election and Gov. Kemp isn’t doing anything about it; Lindsey Graham thinks GA election malfeasance could lead to a civil war; What the…

JustHenry wrote:
As for the Proud Boys and QANON, I haven't voiced any opinion of either of those groups here.  Personally I pay zero attention to either group.

Nazis? Nazis? What Nazis?

Hunter  GWPB wrote:

I think we can tell where she gets her opinions and you have admitted where you get yours.  Just because you don't climb to the top of the tree to pick your fruit, doesn't mean it doesn't come from the same tree.
______________________________________
The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 4
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: The implications and aftermath of cheating in the election will make it difficult to do things in a civilized fashion going forward; What armed conflict against a corrupt US government would actually look like; Super spreader event traced to medical conference about the pandemic

The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 3
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: “Ghost” guns from Polymer 80 and complying with the law; The folly of critical race theory; Obama misses being president

The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 2
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: What people ought to be prepared to do to defend America as founded; Supreme Court rejecting Texas case opens the door to other states violating the Constitution with impunity

The Tara Show December 14 2020 Hour 1
BILL FRADY FILLS IN FOR TARA: America’s greatness and relying on the Supreme Court; What armed conflict against a corrupt US government would actually look like; Supreme Court rejected Texas suit because they were intimidated by the Democrats threats to pack the court

The Tara Show December 10 2020 Hour 1
Hunter Biden being under investigation for money laundering isn’t news, only his admission is; 18 states including SC join Texas in Supreme Court lawsuit against swing states for breaking election law

The Tara Show December 9 2020 Hour 4
At least now we know how America has been manipulated for the last several decades; Leftists overplayed their hand in taking over the country

The Tara Show December 9 2020 Hour 1
Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe details how China owns myriad members of Congress (and the Biden family); Leftist media want to shut down Parler while ignoring hate speech against men, whites, and normal Americans on Facebook; The immense threat of Chinese influence in American politics

The Tara Show December 11 2020 Hour 1
The massive importance of the Texas suit against swing state election violations in the Supreme Court; Appreciating Bob McLain for bringing Tara to WORD; Biden planning executive order to confiscate guns upon taking office

The Tara Show December 8 2020 Hour 4
Israeli general claims existence of a Galactic Federation populated by extraterrestrials (and that Donald Trump knows about it); The collapse we’re seeing is not of America but of federalism

The Tara Show December 8 2020 Hour 1
Dems planning to steal GA runoff election like they stole the presidential election and Gov. Kemp isn’t doing anything about it; Lindsey Graham thinks GA election malfeasance could lead to a civil war; What the country will look like if socialists can steal the reins of power; Judge in NY decided illegal votes must be included and handed the 22nd District election to the Democrat; Government surveillance on American citizens

The Tara Show December 8 2020 Hour 2
Similarities between today’s national circumstances and the offenses by the British crown against American colonists that led to the American Revolution; Letter criticizing Christmas decorations illustrates the intolerance of the “equality” socialism promises; Lindsey Graham thinks GA election malfeasance could lead to a civil war

And what is the theme overtly and covertly running though all of this? Justifying and encouraging armed violence against a concocted domestic enemy. Back in the day this kind of garbage had to be mimeographed and literally handed from nut job to nut job, the way porn had to be distributed.  Now, we have radio, cable tv and internet to communicate the insurrectionist and secessionist message to nut jobs everywhere.

And note: Justhenry does not refute the Proud Boys, or QAnon. Sorry, bucko, but "Personally I pay zero attention to either group" doesn't cut it. Not even close.

Focuspuller wrote:
And note: Justhenry does not refute the Proud Boys, or QAnon. Sorry, bucko, but "Personally I pay zero attention to either group" doesn't cut it. Not even close.

Agree. (sigh) That's the point I was making with my Nazis on parade post.

LightDreams wrote:
- "What people ought to be prepared to do to defend America as founded"

Meaning restore slavery, revoke women's right to vote, and genocide against indigenous people.

Focuspuller wrote:
And note: Justhenry does not refute the Proud Boys, or QAnon. Sorry, bucko, but "Personally I pay zero attention to either group" doesn't cut it. Not even close.

An hour's indoctrination a day can go a long way when the propagandists are discrediting fair and balanced reporting of the truth.

Acraftman1313 wrote:
Not to switch subjects but as mentioned the Japanese really were not interested in the US they just wanted time to prevent the pacific fleet from being able to do its job while they went after commodity rich country's in Asia.

It was a galant attempt

JustHenry wrote:
Failing to accept the election results?  We can't discuss that here now can we?

Yeah, we can discuss the results.  BTW, this is the result of YOU taking the thread off-topic.

Earlier Monday, a GOP state representative suggested that he and other Republican legislators might try to enter the building to try to stop the [Electoral College] vote. Rep. Gary Eisen (R) said he did not rule out the possibility of violence during that attempt.

But statehouse GOP leaders quickly rebuked Eisen, removing him from his committee assignments and rejecting the idea that the legislature could undo Biden’s win.

“Michigan’s Democratic slate of electors should be able to proceed with their duty, free from threats of violence and intimidation,” said Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey (R). “President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect [Kamala D.] Harris won Michigan’s presidential election.”