Forums > General Industry > No credit? Why not?

Photographer

rGlenndonShoots

Posts: 89

Atlanta, Georgia, US

While MM provides a specific field to enter credits, other platforms - soc-med, individual websites, etc., do not.
I generally add either a text or link to the model’s page along with some comment or praise. It seems a good way to acknowledge their contribution to the work. Also cross-promotion helps everyone, yes?

Still, the ‘net is littered with posts that have zero credits attached.
To be fair I haven’t added everyone in the collaboration group - mua, hair and wardrobe stylists, designers. Maybe I’ll start.
Also, photographers aren’t alone here. Actually, my less than scientific stats show that more models tend to neglect crediting the shooter than vice versa.

So. Out of curiosity I ask Why?
Photographers, models, etc. …
If you don’t cross promote when posting your work educate me on why not.
Thanks.

Nov 21 23 04:26 am Link

Photographer

Bob Helm Photography

Posts: 18909

Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US

While I always credit models, unless they do not want it, I can see why some do not.

Yes this is a networking site but some look at their portfolio as a place to promote themselves not models etc. One photographer I know that has a large IG and FB following approach is why should he with 60K+ followers promote a model with 1,000 followers unless there is a benefit to him. I can understand that.

One of the models I shot does not want any nudes credited on "public" platforms like IG or FB but has not problem on industry sites like MM as family, friends and co workers are far less likely to see them.

While I always like it when models credit me, I can understand why they would choose not to. Some are also friends but their policy is that they do not credit anyone but will in things like FB posts.

In the end we all are running our own business ( even if it is a hobby) and have the right to so so as we see fit. The OP's position is a valid one and is how he prefers to do things.

Nov 21 23 07:05 am Link

Photographer

JohnTozziPhotography

Posts: 90

Seattle, Washington, US

When I post on Instagram or Twitter, I credit the model if they have an account on that app. None of the people I have shot have accounts on here, so I haven’t credited them.

Nov 21 23 08:21 am Link

Photographer

JQuest

Posts: 2460

Syracuse, New York, US

I always credit the model on the platform I am posting the image on. So if they're not on MM I do not credit them, but I also note they are not on this platform. If I post an image on IG and they are active there I will credit them there. I do not credit models across platforms. For example I will not credit another's IG, X, OnlyFans, accounts etc. here on MM. Typically because I don't have that information at my finger tips, but also I don't want to come across as promoting someone that I may only have a tangential relationship with and I may not be aware of what they're persona on those platforms may be.

Nov 21 23 09:19 am Link

Photographer

rGlenndonShoots

Posts: 89

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Bob Helm Photography wrote:
…  I can see why some do not…
In the end we all are running our own business ( even if it is a hobby) and have the right to so so as we see fit. The OP's position is a valid one and is how he prefers to do things.

All great points, well stated. I hadn’t thought of some of those which is exactly why I asked. Thanks.

JQuest wrote:
I always credit the model on the platform I am posting the image on. So if they're not on MM I do not credit them, but I also note they are not on this platform. …
… I may not be aware of what they're persona on those platforms may be.

Another good set of reasons. One brand new model turned friend understood my suggestion that they start a new sod-med page focusing on modeling rather than me linking to their general family/hobbies/lifestyle page.

Nov 21 23 12:20 pm Link

Photographer

rGlenndonShoots

Posts: 89

Atlanta, Georgia, US

So. This is helpful. Thanks to those that posted with info that gets me out of my own head on the matter.

Any chance of hearing directly from models on their rationale?
Again, I’m curious, not judging.

Btw, before it gets asked, my last posted shot didn’t allow me to populate the credit field on upload. A first. I’ll retry another time. Meanwhile I did include a text credit in an alternate field.

Nov 21 23 12:23 pm Link

Photographer

Roaring 20s

Posts: 137

Los Angeles, California, US

a) model is using a stage name primarily not to be linked to the content we shot. she doesn't care if it gets out, or some AI links her face to other photos, but I'm not going to help it get out. arguably, that AI possibility is already doing the attribution

b) this site isn't super relevant anymore

c) this site has a separate credits and references section on every profile, which is sufficient for some purposes

d) I don't want to, circling back to b) the networking isn't so consequential here. Having a profile+references at all establishes enough validation for a broader group of people than not. A model here can post an availability notice or respond to a casting call at any time, in addition to having moved all intake to instagram, so also doesn't really need the networking either

e) "cross-promote" or not requires being honest about what you do. I don't need clients. It doesn't improve my ability to find models. Attempts at monetizing 'content' don't use this network, and that's the same for the models.

Nov 22 23 03:29 am Link

Photographer

Thomas Van Dyke

Posts: 3233

Washington, District of Columbia, US

"...If you don’t cross promote when posting your work educate me on why not..."
-Glenndon many factors in the mix here, basically it depends on the assignment...

When I shoot Catalog Fashion for a designer it's simply a "job" and how and/or where the images are use may/or may not be specified in our agreed upon contract. I assume you do work from an agreed written contracts, if not you will learn from brutal experience why this is an industry standard...

Next issue is the narrative involved... I'm a licensed cosmetologist and a major component of my revenue stream comes from Bridal Wedding assignments. Typically at the bridal makeup trial i.e. consultation where terms of a contract are discussed, modified and accepted, rarely are credits a major component of the aforementioned or even broached.

Also since it is the MOB who typically signs the check mentioning your presence on Mayhem could easily be the Kiss of Death... Think about this Glenndon, how do you believe a MOB is going to view having her daughter's wedding photographed by anyone associated with a "soft porn" site... Enough said.  For this genre I highly recommend opening an account on Wedding Wire... It is here you can also find quality hair and makeup stylist for your Fashion and Lifestyle shoots (but certainly not nude or even hardcore glamour). All these team members need quality fashion/lifestyle imagery for their books.  https://www.weddingwire.com/

Yes IG is a viable portal for soliciting assignments, albeit Glenndon until you have at least 500 followers you are essentially invisible (I'm just the messenger here)... It's all about IG's  a.k.a. meta's algorithms.  You may have a ways to go before you're seeing much traffic to your IG presence.

Final thoughts... While you didn't ask for a feedback on your Mayhem book let me just say that in the upper echelons most note worthy photographers have a concise, succinct visual statement that sets them apart from the throngs of want-to-be hopeful commercial photographers. You might focus more on developing a strong visual statement than on showing up in someone's credit line.  Just a thought...

However there are exceptions here... If you are working as an agency "Testing" photographer then it is paramount that you include your entire team's credentials with your work. Here credits are paramount if you hope to continue in this paradigm.

In closing let me ask you if you have considered becoming a "Testing" photographer with Select Model in Atlanta? https://www.selectmodel.com/atlanta  Again Just a thought...

Hope this helps Glenndon or is at least food for thought.
Wishing you much joy and success on your photographic journey.

Nov 22 23 10:33 am Link

Model

LadyDeadRabbit

Posts: 6

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

If getting verified credits back is important to you then you should state so before a shoot, otherwise the person you're working with may very well forget.

I'm pretty new here on MM, I've had this page only for a few months so while I am a professional with a full portfolio and a resume- I think I only have maybe one verified credit on here. To me, the credits on a person's page don't matter much, I'll happily work with anyone who doesn't have any credits as long as they have other means of proving that they are a photographer and not just some creep on the internet trying to meet me in person.

With this being said, however, I always give back what I am given- if I work with a photographer who has a page on here, I always make sure that right after a shoot I go to their page and add a credit and comment. But this is simply because I take my modeling career very seriously whereas [unfortunately] there are a lot of models who do not and are really only doing it so that they can have aesthetic photos to post on Instagram.

Nov 23 23 09:53 am Link

Model

MatureModelMM

Posts: 2843

Detroit, Michigan, US

I've always credited artists and photographers who wanted to be credited. Some specifically ask not to be.  Others say it's fine to use just their first name, so whatever they ask me is what I will do.

As already pointed out by others, there are people who have their own reasons for not wanting their name associated with certain genres of work.  One example that I've run across multiple times is related to working with college students who are using a model they have hired or arranged to work with as part of their course requirements to create photos, drawings, paintings featuring nudity.  While such work is completely appropriate and to be expected within the realm of their educational requirements, they can still choose not to let the world know exactly what they did. 

You will also run across legitimate and very talented people who create art and photos along those lines strictly as a hobby but do not want their family or friends or particularly not their employers to find out about it.  It's all good.

Nov 23 23 10:31 am Link

Photographer

Mark Salo

Posts: 11730

Olney, Maryland, US

I ask every model if/how she wants to be credited. Usually she doesn't care. Occasionally a model does not want to be credited with her real name. I ask her to write that on the model release. I don't use real names anyhow, I use the MM account number or a "professional" name.

Now, why do so few models credit photographers?

Nov 24 23 10:55 am Link