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Hey! I'm a newbie model from Denver, Colorado. I was recently accepted as a SuicideGirl (yay) and had my first set shot yesterday, it went awesome (doubleyay). Now comes the waiting game to see if the set gets accepted. Anyway, the make-up artist who worked on me told me about this site and so far I am incredibly impressed! But I am quickly realizing I have no idea what the hell I am doing when it comes to modeling, so I need experience. And tips. I want to make friends on here too... photography is such a beautiful medium in art, no? Apr 16 07 09:52 pm Link Sup! Welcome to MM! I'm sure plenty of others will chime in on SG. I'll keep my mouth shut.  Apr 16 07 10:02 pm Link My first word of advice to you is avoid Suicide Girls like the plague they are. Did you read the contract carefully? Are you aware that you signed a non-compete clause so now you're basically owned by Suicide Girls for two years? If you haven't signed anything don't. Run away and don't look back. Suicide Girls is very exploitive of anyone who works for them. There are a lot of threads on Model Mayhem about this very thing. I would highly encourage you to go to the search feature (located on the bottom of the forums page) and do a search for Suicide Girls. Read the threads and decide if shooting for them is really worth it. Personally, I would never shoot a set for Suicide Girls; they are wrong on so many levels. Having said that, welcome to Model Mayhem! Apr 16 07 10:07 pm Link welcome!!! have fun here and you'll learn and grow as a model. BUT RUN from SG. don't get caught up in that mess. it is NOT worth it. plenty of other great sites that i'm sure would love to have you and won't strangle you with such a horrible contract. Apr 16 07 10:10 pm Link No offense, but be careful...Suicide Girls is terrible. Read between the lines when you sign anything. I know way too many people that got screwed over because of them. Apr 16 07 10:12 pm Link I noticed that you haven't sent in the photos yet -- I think that's good. Don't send them in, and whatever you do don't sign their highly exploitive contract. Its not worth it. You will be exclusive to them for two years and there is absolutely no guarantee you will work with them ever again. So, you won't be able to model for alternative sites until the SG contact is up. Its a great way to not get money or exposure. And the reality of the situation is no-one cares if you're a Suicide Girl; its not something that will impress anyone if you include it on your resume. The other sucky thing about SG is how they treat the photographers. The contract the photographer signs gives all copyright of the images to SG for extremely little pay. This is very exploitive and it is extremely bad for the photography business in general. Your photographer shouldn't sell these images to them either -- no good will come of it and no good exposure will come of it either. And... It gets even better. They will eventually sell these images to other porn sites; they will not remain exclusively on the SG website. And there's no way you can tell where they will pop up and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it (because they own all copyrights). Again, do a forum search and read what others have said about SG. Be informed. Apr 16 07 10:20 pm Link Apr 16 07 10:25 pm Link I appreciate all advice on SG, but before approaching it I researched SG THOROUGHLY. I am aware of the contractual obligations, and I think it's wise of them. I can't model for competing sites for two years, which is fine, but I AM allowed to do other modeling. I don't have a problem with "being owned" by SG, I like the community, and I am an artist and writer first and foremost... I can use any SG notoriety to promote my other work. You are right about photographers however. I was disappointed to find out they too have to sign a contract prohibiting them to shoot for competing sites for two years, and the pay is only $100, $200 if the photographer edits them. However, to add SG photos to one's portfolio is a nice perk, and certainly sounds impressive. Regardless, I'll go read up on the forums as you advised, although my mind is made up and "the deal is sealed," if you will. Apr 16 07 10:34 pm Link I'd sue too if I were them. They came up with an original concept and now everyone else is COPYING them. I HATE IT when people copy me. Lithium Picnic broke his contract. He did! I love him, but hey - he made a boo-boo. Apr 16 07 10:36 pm Link I'll let everyone else beat you over the head regarding SG, all I wanna say is that I love your face!! None of your pics show any body so I can't comment on that. How many tats do you have? Apr 16 07 10:44 pm Link If you are willing to stop your modeling opportunities for two years (right as you are beginning to get into it), then going with SG won't hurt you. As to not modeling for their competitors: that's so vague, it's not even defined. Congratulations on being wanted, but other people/companies will want you as well. And they might give you a much better deal. Take your time on this decision and I wish you the best of luck, Evan www.NeoLuxStudios.com Apr 16 07 10:46 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: Fine, I'll retract my statement (I don't want to hurt any feelings).... You are obviously showing that you haven't done all the research by your posts. Apr 16 07 10:51 pm Link Fifi-Trixibelle wrote: I don't see any need for you to mock her in this manner. If you disagree that's fine, I do too. But to laugh at her in this manner is kinda rude really. Apr 16 07 11:03 pm Link I was gonna join SG until I found modelmayhem, and it is much better : ) In SG you don't have much of a choice when it comes down to which photographer you want so you might end up with a crappy one. poo. I think Lithium Picnic has some of the best images and then when he tries to do his own thing, he gets a lawsuit >_ Apr 16 07 11:04 pm Link Dean Johnson Photo wrote: I'm simply laughing because it's funny. Is it illegal to laugh at funny things now? Apr 16 07 11:09 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: No offense, but this statement makes you sound completely clueless, careless, and just plain ignorant. Apr 16 07 11:10 pm Link SickShooter wrote: Brutal honesty.... what everyone needs. Apr 16 07 11:13 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: how so? you think you're going to have certain advantages because you're a SG? Apr 16 07 11:15 pm Link In actuality, photographers will be running th other way...as their photos can be used without their permission, depending on the contract she signed, as some SG contracts claim rights to her "likeness". Apr 16 07 11:17 pm Link There are alternatives to SG. Lots of them listed in this thread: https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=133059 Apr 16 07 11:17 pm Link sofija wrote: I think a lot of girls see it as a big career boost, when the reality is, SG is not picky about who they ask to join and nowadays, the SG stigma will do more harm than good. Photographers won't want to touch you with a 10 foot pole. Apr 16 07 11:17 pm Link I won't shoot anything for SG. The pay is a joke, the terms are -very- one sided, and the risk of legal headaches not worth it to me. Better to shoot for one of the other sites like GodsGirls. Their sets seem more artistic and less porn IMO, and it looks like they accept more sets per girl. No idea on how well they pay though or what their paperwork's like. Good luck though. Apr 16 07 11:17 pm Link I hope the OP recognizes how much love she is getting from MM right now and that people are showing true concern about the decision she is making. Evan www.NeoLuxStudios.com Apr 16 07 11:23 pm Link Evan Hiltunen wrote: Thank you... people take it as being mean... when we're really trying to save her from just getting disappointed. Apr 16 07 11:25 pm Link I am a Suicide Girl. Still waiting ... of coarse. ahaa But my set was accepted right away. It's kind of a torture waiting for your set to go through everything. Congrats on your set being awesome. I'm Beau Suicide on there  I have to say I love Lithium Picnic. And I probably am not supposed to say this, but getting a lawsuit for shoting pictures of his own wife?? I guess that's all I'll say about that. I really wish them the best of luck and I love his photos. Apr 16 07 11:26 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: Blue blood was launched in 1992 - SG was launched in 2001. Apr 16 07 11:26 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: As far as Alt girl erotica, Blue Blood was doing it long before SG. Apr 16 07 11:27 pm Link Bob Hubbard wrote: Yeah. It's basically the same contract I heard ^.~ Apr 16 07 11:27 pm Link aenux wrote: there was alt. modeling before 2001??? Apr 16 07 11:28 pm Link I'm just still surprised that girls admit to being SG now...I'd probably hide under the bed until my contract was up. Apr 16 07 11:29 pm Link First of all, thank you Dean for the compliment. I think my face is, well, interesting. It's okay that I was mocked, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about and deserve it. But, as a recently accepted SuicideGirl who is currently immersed in all of the legalities and such surrounding SuicideGirls, I understand these things: 1.) The photographer contract states that the photographer cannot shoot for competing sites (which is clear in that it cannot be a PAY site for models or for "alternative" models). 2.) www.apneatic.com is a pay site, not to mention a fierce competitor for SG. Apnea is no longer a SuicideGirl. However, Lithium Picnic was still a staff photographer for SG. 3.) Lithium Picnic shot for said pay site, despite being under a SG contract. 4.) SG sued him for breach of contract. Which he did. Am I wrong in any of this? If so, laugh away, I'm dumb then. But please send me a message or reply to let me know HOW I'm wrong so I don't keep saying this and looking like an idiot. As far as SG being an original concept, I can't say that with certainty (although I believe it is), but they were the first site that did what they did and brought it into the mainstream beautifully. Oh, and you can hire your own photographer for SG. You don't have to use theirs. That's what I did. SG pays them and they have to sign a contract as well. Bottom line: let's equate all these "cool alternative chick" pay sites to adult magazines. SuicideGirls is Playboy. Deviant Nation, and other subculture and counterculture sites are "Hustler," "Penthouse," "Juggs," etc. Now which would you rather be a part of? Despite my adoration of Larry Flynt, I'd go with Playboy. It's funny that all my SG stuff isn't even official and I'm having to already defend SG and my decision to be a SuicideGirl. Geez. I guess I better get used to it. Apr 16 07 11:29 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: The contract also states that the contract doesn't apply to "single girl" sites.... which Apneas is. Apr 16 07 11:31 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: playboy's boring. Apr 16 07 11:33 pm Link Britt aka Beau wrote: THANK YOU! Apr 16 07 11:33 pm Link Miss Ashley wrote: I thought that point # 1 was in dispute - that they did not have that contract when LP started working for them and he never signed it after they did create the photographer contract. There was a good interview online that talked about this - I'm trying o find the link now. Apr 16 07 11:35 pm Link sofija wrote: I wish I had the boobs to be in playboy XD Apr 16 07 11:35 pm Link I really do wish you the best of luck, Ashley, you are a beautiful girl. The flack you are receiving is because you are acting like all of us don't know what we're talking about-when the truth is, all of us have been here longer than you, and some who have posted in this thread know LP and Apnea personally... First rule of MM survival: Listen to those with more experience than you. Apr 16 07 11:35 pm Link PK Brazil wrote: Yes I thought the same thing and dam the others are already attacking. LOL Apr 16 07 11:36 pm Link Britt aka Beau wrote: yuck. not me. i love what i have. Apr 16 07 11:37 pm Link I researched. Blue Blood was not the same, sorry. And it wasn't as exquisitely done. Apr 16 07 11:39 pm Link |
