Marco Aureliani wrote:

Yeah, the classic "inside beauty"

lmao ;-)

Lisa Moran wrote:
I know playboy has always had allot more integrety but Penthouse recently changed their look, do you think models would ever try to get into Penthouse like they do Playboy if there was a big change?
btw the way whats the real difference in career impacts by appearing in either one?

Reminds me of the GM vs Ford vs Crysler debate - which may have had some relevance 20 years ago

J C KUNSTFOTOGRAFIE wrote:
Experienced or not - what I don't care for is your self-righteous "I'm only getting a little bit pregnant" attitude in trying to differentiate yourself and Playboy models from Penthouse models.

And yes - "ALL" is a dangerous word to use.

Sabrina Maree Stuart  wrote:
I have no idea what you are getting at. There is a difference between the two but we are talking in terms of a magazine, not life. You are talking it way far out of context. This is not a "one is better than the other" discussion. This is the discussion of a models goals, because choosing to apply to Penthouse or Hustler will alter her modeling career. You are turning it into some personal thing that it's not. This is an industry discussion. Please keep it that way.

Like it or not - the trend is toward showing more, not less . . . even at Playboy.  They are ALL part of the same porn industry.  At least Penthouse and Hustler don't have pretentions to be something other than what they are.

And . . . HOW DARE YOU paint such an ugly picture of Penthouse Pets?!?!?!?!?

J C ModeFotografie wrote:
Like it or not - the trend is toward showing more, not less . . . even at Playboy.  They are ALL part of the same porn industry.  At least Penthouse and Hustler don't have pretentions to be something other than what they are.

And . . . HOW DARE YOU paint such an ugly picture of Penthouse Pets?!?!?!?!?

Wow, maybe you should step back and take a deep breath. If you can do that while avoiding hyperventilation perhaps a little brushup on reading comprehension would enhance your experience here as well:

Tommy Dee wrote:
... Formulaic? You bet! The formula has zip to do with art, class or style. It has to do with what will appeal to the largest number of young men with the largest average disposable income. ...

J C KUNSTFOTOGRAFIE wrote:
You are conveniently leaving out the correlation between advertising dolllar$ and circulation.  How does a magazine increase it's circulation?  By having people BUY copies of it.  And obviously - nobody buys Playboy or Penthouse for the articles.

So you are WRONG. ...

Alrighty then.

Tommy Dee wrote:
Wow, maybe you should step back and take a deep breath. If you can do that while avoiding hyperventilation perhaps a little brushup on reading comprehension would enhance your experience here as well:

Who are YOU?  Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Tommy Dee wrote:
... Formulaic? You bet! The formula has zip to do with art, class or style. It has to do with what will appeal to the largest number of young men with the largest average disposable income. ...

J C KUNSTFOTOGRAFIE wrote:
You are conveniently leaving out the correlation between advertising dolllar$ and circulation.  How does a magazine increase it's circulation?  By having people BUY copies of it.  And obviously - nobody buys Playboy or Penthouse for the articles.

So you are WRONG. ...

Tommy Dee wrote:
Alrighty then.

At least you aren't stuck on the self-righteous posturing like some others I could name in this thread, I'll give you credit for that.

Miss Fifi-Alexis wrote:
I'd do Penthouse looooooong before I'd shoot with Playboy.

Why?

J C ModeFotografie wrote:

J C KUNSTFOTOGRAFIE wrote:
Experienced or not - what I don't care for is your self-righteous "I'm only getting a little bit pregnant" attitude in trying to differentiate yourself and Playboy models from Penthouse models.

And yes - "ALL" is a dangerous word to use.

Like it or not - the trend is toward showing more, not less . . . even at Playboy.  They are ALL part of the same porn industry.  At least Penthouse and Hustler don't have pretentions to be something other than what they are.

And . . . HOW DARE YOU paint such an ugly picture of Penthouse Pets?!?!?!?!?

Are you dating a Penthouse Pet or something? lol
I'm painting a picture of the industry in general. This is PORN. When you cross a certain line, the industry changes.

Playboy has managed to keep at least the outward illusion of that line not being crossed, because that's their gimmick, "Nice girls like sex too". They have created a name large enough that even girls would would never get nude in another magazine, will get nude for Playboy.
Now we all know this is most certainly an illusion and the things that happen behind closed doors there would shock a lot of Playboy fans. Regardless... they keep an image of a classy lifestyle that just happens to include naked women.

Once you graduate to Penthouse and beyond, the game changes. It becomes more about money, in the model's eyes, and less about the experience. You do more because you make more. You get addicted to the money and soon you are drinking and often abusing drugs to get through a scene. Now there are definitely girls that this doesn't happen to, there are definitely girls (like Jaime Hammer) who have strict boundaries and will not let themselves be duped into doing something they aren't proud of. But she lost a lot when she gave up her title, and most girls wouldn't have the strength to do that. And there are some women who know exactly what they are doing, have no qualms about it, and retire by 35. Sunny Leone is a great example of a girl with her head on straight. These are not the norm.

Stop sugar-coating the industry, it's disgusting. Girls should know what they are diving into.

LeDeux Art wrote:
they both blow, to many of the shooters on here think they are shooten for one of those lame rags! lets try a few words, boring, without imagination and poorly thought out images that rely on a pretty model to sell the image rather than the shooter. so says the California Kid

So you don't think that the Playboy shoots are well thoughtout. That's laughable man. I think you kind'a wish you were shooting for them. Why go after the shooters on here. Sounds like you want them to use ugly models with the best shooters in the world? They are trying to sell these lame rags.

J C ModeFotografie wrote:
Who are YOU?

And I continue to be amazed by the truly helpful members of Model mayhem. When I read the above my immediate thought was "Well, I surely hope that I'm not you" ... and before I can even compose that you were gracious enough to say that very thing:

C ModeFotografie wrote:
At least you aren't stuck on the self-righteous posturing like some others I could name in this thread, I'll give you credit for that.

Thank you.

Your question did get me thinking though. When I wonder who someone is, I usually ask my friend Google about them. If it's someone on a photography site and all of the results are from OMP, MM and the like my question is pretty well answered ...

J C ModeFotografie wrote:
Who are YOU?

Tommy Dee wrote:
And I continue to be amazed by the truly helpful members of Model mayhem. When I read the above my immediate thought was "Well, I surely hope that I'm not you" ... and before I can even compose that you were gracious enough to say that very thing:

Thank you.

Your question did get me thinking though. When I wonder who someone is, I usually ask my friend Google about them. If it's someone on a photography site and all of the results are from OMP, MM and the like my question is pretty well answered ...

So the fu@% what???  Did I say that I was Earl Miller, J. Stephen Hicks or Ken Marcus (who has a profile here on MM)???  I have an account on OMP and two profiles here on MM - I even used to have an account on Musecube.

But I do have at least one Penthouse and one Playboy model on my portfolio, so . . . HAH!

George Mickelson wrote:
Teri Weigel went from Playmate of the Month (Miss April 1986) to a pretty good career in porn.

(we now return to our regular discussion of PB vs PH)

Thank you - I do remember her name now!

Amelia G wrote:
I've shot for both Playboy and Penthouse. In my experience, Penthouse has more artist-friendly terms than Playboy who always try to own all of everything. Penthouse generally has bought better work from me and Playboy has paid in a more timely and complete fashion, although admittedly Penthouse did go bankrupt in the middle of owing me dough. Penthouse has a stronger web base today, I think, than Playboy.

A lot of models think that doing Penthouse, or Playboy, or getting any of a variety of other individual credits, will totally change their lives. It won't.

The way to advance your career is mostly to keep working and then work some more.

And, just in case anyone has forgotten this factoid the last five gajillion times someone mentioned it on here, BOTH Playboy and Penthouse put out hardcore and softcore under their primary brands.

Thanks Amelia for that firsthand information . . . where you are now is one of the places I aspire to be!