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Gene Geter
Posts: 330
BRONX, New York, US


What's up with 16-year-old girls wanting to pose nude? What's the origin to this? I met a few asking me if I could photograph them and also heard stories from other artists and friends about this.
Jul 16 07 05:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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SeriouslyFunny
Posts: 10,641
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Yea, I've turned them down too. I'm at a loss as to where their parents are.

I ain't touchin that with my 10 foot pole! wink
Jul 16 07 05:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Lujan
Posts: 414
Los Angeles, California, US


Gene Geter wrote:
What's up with 16-year-old girls wanting to pose nude? What's the origin to this? I met a few asking me if I could photographing them and also heard stories from other artists and friends about this.

I hear you. That they wait until they're that old is an outrage!

Jul 16 07 05:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark
Posts: 2,889
New York, New York, US


Maybe they feel in thier prime and want to record it. It would be nice to have a good portrait or photo series to lok back on.  But I imagine the just want it for some web site.  If they get their parents permission and bring one, why not?
Jul 16 07 05:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


yes, i have turned them down as well, as most are undercover police officers,with just a small percentage  actual young ladies that should indeed know better.Either way mention 16yrs all communication stops from there on in.
Jul 16 07 05:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sam Javor
Posts: 64
Columbus, Ohio, US


my guess is that the origin has something to do with a undercover police officer... but I'd be guessing.
Jul 16 07 05:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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SPM Studios
Posts: 176
Albany, New York, US


Ummmm I think Paris Hilton's oh so wonderful "contribution" to society
Jul 16 07 05:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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SPM Studios
Posts: 176
Albany, New York, US


Obsidian Blade wrote:

I hear you. That they wait until they're that old is an outrage!

LMAO

Jul 16 07 05:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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studio L
Posts: 1,775
Oakland, California, US


Gene Geter wrote:
What's up with 16-year-old girls wanting to pose nude? What's the origin to this? I met a few asking me if I could photographing them and also heard stories from other artists and friends about this.

Did they offer you help on using proper verb tenses?

Jul 16 07 05:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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SeriouslyFunny
Posts: 10,641
Atlanta, Georgia, US


DMP Studios wrote:
yes, i have turned them down as well, as most are undercover police officers,with just a small percentage  actual young ladies that should indeed know better.Either way mention 16yrs all communication stops from there on in.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Jul 16 07 05:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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7 Studio
Posts: 116
Los Angeles, California, US


I too have encountered this request. I feel like Chris Hansen is waiting on the other end to see if I bite.
Jul 16 07 05:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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FemmeArt
Posts: 880
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


**yawn**
Jul 16 07 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Admiral Frog
The Fist wielding The Hammer that's ready to pounce on those that live in the murky shadows of pestilentialness.
Posts: 29,088
Roswell, Georgia, US


You know what I find interesting is that you can find the human body cute/intersting from the ages of 0-4 years old, then you you have to have no opinion of it from 5-17, then from 18 years old on you can find it beautiful again.

It just seems odd to me.
Jul 16 07 05:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,981
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Gene Geter wrote:
What's up with 16-year-old girls wanting to pose nude? What's the origin to this? I met a few asking me if I could photographing them and also heard stories from other artists and friends about this.

well they sure didn't look at your work!


haha

jk

wink

Jul 16 07 05:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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7 Studio
Posts: 116
Los Angeles, California, US


Frog516 wrote:
You know what I find interesting is that you can find the human body cute/intersting from the ages of 0-4 years old, then you you have to have no opinion of it from 5-17, then from 18 years old on you can find it beautiful again.

It just seems odd to me.

Astute observation. Couldn't be more accurate.

Jul 16 07 05:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,707
San Francisco, California, US


DMP Studios wrote:
yes, i have turned them down as well, as most are undercover police officers,with just a small percentage  actual young ladies that should indeed know better.Either way mention 16yrs all communication stops from there on in.
Sam Javor wrote:
my guess is that the origin has something to do with a undercover police officer... but I'd be guessing.
SeriouslyFunny wrote:
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

I chuckle whenever I read that.  Undercover officers will not contact you, pretend to be a teen and ask you to shoot them nude.  Stop being so paranoid.

If they contact you, encourage you to shoot them and then pose in a fashion that is illegal, that is called entrapment.  They cannot initiate the contact.  To do so raises the issue of them encouraging you to do something you wouldn't have done on your own.

Instead, when they set up stings, they will go online, for example and wait for you to contact them.  The will suggest nothing nor make any sexual remarks nor discuss doing nude shoots.  When you suggest the shoot they will be evasive and let you affirm what you are wanting to do.  They will get you to commit to doing something that would cross the line from legal to illegal and then get you to set up the characteristics of it so that you have definitely proposed something illegal.  They will discuss props or something shoot specific so they can demonstrate that you are intending to go through with it, such as bringing bondage gear or condoms.

They will then arrange a time/place to shoot.  When you arrive, they will search you to see if you brought the promised item.  In the meantime, they have a written transcript of the entire proposition.

A case would never stand up if they went around contacting photographers and then asking them to shoot nude.  You guys need to get a life.  You spend so much time worrying about this kind of nonsense.  You see police officers behind every door.

Turning down the shoot is the right thing because you don't need to be shooting any 16 year olds nude.  But it isn't an undercover cop contacting you.  Drink another beer and relax.  It is all good.

Jul 16 07 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Lujan
Posts: 414
Los Angeles, California, US


Frog516 wrote:
You know what I find interesting is that you can find the human body cute/intersting from the ages of 0-4 years old, then you you have to have no opinion of it from 5-17, then from 18 years old on you can find it beautiful again.

It just seems odd to me.

This point is implicit in much of Mann's and Sturges' work. So you're in great company.

Jul 16 07 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Zori_K
Posts: 12
North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Frog516 wrote:
You know what I find interesting is that you can find the human body cute/intersting from the ages of 0-4 years old, then you you have to have no opinion of it from 5-17, then from 18 years old on you can find it beautiful again.

ahhhh...not really

Jul 16 07 05:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Madcrow Photographics
Posts: 7,802
Boston, Massachusetts, US


In the one case like this I've had, it seems that some creepy GWC had managed to convince the kid that you couldn't "make art" unless you were nude...
Jul 16 07 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Doug Jantz
Posts: 4,025
Tulsa, Oklahoma, US


Sam Javor wrote:
my guess is that the origin has something to do with a undercover police officer... but I'd be guessing.

Which is why you stick to people you know.

Jul 16 07 05:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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dgold
Posts: 10,269
North Smithfield, Rhode Island, US


FemmeArt wrote:
**yawn**

...walks away-going for a swim.

Jul 16 07 05:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Madcrow Photographics
Posts: 7,802
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Also, it NOT likely to be an undercover cop. It's much more likely to be either an actual screwy kid or some sort of vigilante organziation along the lines of Perverted Justice.
Jul 16 07 05:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


Frog516 wrote:
You know what I find interesting is that you can find the human body cute/intersting from the ages of 0-4 years old, then you you have to have no opinion of it from 5-17, then from 18 years old on you can find it beautiful again.

It just seems odd to me.

even 0-4 is getting dodgy,try photographing your OWN kids on the beach, at the football, in the park,most times an officer of the laaw will turn up asking is that your monkey? and what ur you doowen.

Jul 16 07 05:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Conceptually Black
Posts: 8,320
Columbus, Ohio, US


Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

DMP Studios wrote:
yes, i have turned them down as well, as most are undercover police officers,with just a small percentage  actual young ladies that should indeed know better.Either way mention 16yrs all communication stops from there on in.
Sam Javor wrote:
my guess is that the origin has something to do with a undercover police officer... but I'd be guessing.

I chuckle whenever I read that.  Undercover officers will not contact you, pretend to be a teen and ask you to shoot them nude.  Stop being so paranoid.

If they contact you, encourage you to shoot them and then pose in a fashion that is illegal, that is called entrapment.  They cannot initiate the contact.  To do so raises the issue of them encouraging you to do something you wouldn't have done on your own.

Instead, when they set up stings, they will go online, for example and wait for you to contact them.  The will suggest nothing nor make any sexual remarks nor discuss doing nude shoots.  When you suggest the shoot they will be evasive and let you affirm what you are wanting to do.  They will get you to commit to doing something that would cross the line from legal to illegal and then get you to set up the characteristics of it so that you have definitely proposed something illegal.  They will discuss props or something shoot specific so they can demonstrate that you are intending to go through with it, such as bringing bondage gear or condoms.

They will then arrange a time/place to shoot.  When you arrive, they will search you to see if you brought the promised item.  In the meantime, they have a written transcript of the entire proposition.

A case would never stand up if they went around contacting photographers and then asking them to shoot nude.  You guys need to get a life.  You spend so much time worrying about this kind of nonsense.  You see police officers behind every door.

Turning down the shoot is the right thing because you don't need to be shooting any 16 year olds nude.  But it isn't an undercover cop contacting you.  Drink another beer and relax.  It is all good.

I see these threads, read through all the fear mongoring and hope to see you here Alan, because you spell it out much more then me.
But here is another source people. I am law enforcement, we do not, nor could we contact people to ask them to do something in hopes of busting them(on something that isn't illegal). Chris Hanson does it with Law enforcement, by letting the pre-verts contact him(or his people) in chat rooms, trust me lawyers go over what he does with fine tooth combs.

Jul 16 07 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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BOCADO
Posts: 260
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Don't forget the almighty internet and its contribution to visuals and who has access to it.  During teens, teens are still developing a sense of self, so they see stuff and they want to emulate/imitate it, kinda sad.
But like someone mentioned earlier, girls like Paris aren't helping much.
Jul 16 07 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

DMP Studios wrote:
yes, i have turned them down as well, as most are undercover police officers,with just a small percentage  actual young ladies that should indeed know better.Either way mention 16yrs all communication stops from there on in.

I chuckle whenever I read that.  Undercover officers will not contact you, pretend to be a teen and ask you to shoot them nude.  Stop being so paranoid.

If they contact you, encourage you to shoot them and then pose in a fashion that is illegal, that is called entrapment.  They cannot initiate the contact.  To do so raises the issue of them encouraging you to do something you wouldn't have done on your own.

Instead, when they set up stings, they will go online, for example and wait for you to contact them.  The will suggest nothing nor make any sexual remarks nor discuss doing nude shoots.  When you suggest the shoot they will be evasive and let you affirm what you are wanting to do.  They will get you to commit to doing something that would cross the line from legal to illegal and then get you to set up the characteristics of it so that you have definitely proposed something illegal.  They will discuss props or something shoot specific so they can demonstrate that you are intending to go through with it, such as bringing bondage gear or condoms.

They will then arrange a time/place to shoot.  When you arrive, they will search you to see if you brought the promised item.  In the meantime, they have a written transcript of the entire proposition.

A case would never stand up if they went around contacting photographers and then asking them to shoot nude.  You guys need to get a life.  You spend so much time worrying about this kind of nonsense.  You see police officers behind every door.

Turning down the shoot is the right thing because you don't need to be shooting any 16 year olds nude.  But it isn't an undercover cop contacting you.  Drink another beer and relax.  It is all good.

ohh yes they fkn will dude, WOULD YOU LIKE A LIST?.

Jul 16 07 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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le provocateur
Posts: 5,506
Miami, Florida, US


Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Turning down the shoot is the right thing because you don't need to be shooting any 16 year olds nude.  But it isn't an undercover cop contacting you.  Drink another beer and relax.  It is all good.

MM breeds paranoia tongue

Jul 16 07 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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le provocateur
Posts: 5,506
Miami, Florida, US


DMP Studios wrote:
ohh yes they fkn will dude.

are you a law enforcement officer? what are you basing your opinion on?

also, keep in mind that you live in a different country than the majority of MM's members.

Jul 16 07 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Troy Balakhan
Posts: 15
Philadelphia, Mississippi, US


Obsidian Blade wrote:
I hear you. That they wait until they're that old is an outrage!

I almost fell off my chair when I read this one! Haha

Jul 16 07 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,981
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Nick Zantop wrote:
MM breeds paranoia tongue

so does drug use...

and shooting 16 year olds nude, while using drugs, with the numbers "16" laid out using blow on a glass table...

wink


happy bday to you!

haha

Jul 16 07 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Miss Rochelle
Posts: 41
San Jose, California, US


Gene Geter wrote:
What's up with 16-year-old girls wanting to pose nude? What's the origin to this? I met a few asking me if I could photographing them and also heard stories from other artists and friends about this.

I think they think its a fast way into the industry?! As if posing nude would open more doors to them...only doors it would open is to predators!

Jul 16 07 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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le provocateur
Posts: 5,506
Miami, Florida, US


DMP Studios wrote:
WOULD YOU LIKE A LIST?.

yes - a list of cases where the police clearly entrapped the person and a conviction was made would be great.

Jul 16 07 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Codis Inc
Posts: 579
South Beach, Florida, US


Nick, they're trying to set you up like they setup Michael Jackson!
Jul 16 07 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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le provocateur
Posts: 5,506
Miami, Florida, US


codis wrote:
Nick, they're trying to set you up like they setup Michael Jackson!

I think I'll be ok. wink

Jul 16 07 05:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Miss Rochelle
Posts: 41
San Jose, California, US


Jul 16 07 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Conceptually Black
Posts: 8,320
Columbus, Ohio, US


DMP Studios wrote:

ohh yes they fkn will dude, WOULD YOU LIKE A LIST?.

No we(as I am one) won't here in the sates DUDE.

Jul 16 07 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US


The only way it is okay to shoot a 16 year old is if you have sex with them first. Or a threesome with them and their mother.
Jul 16 07 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Miss Rochelle
Posts: 41
San Jose, California, US


Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

DMP Studios wrote:
yes, i have turned them down as well, as most are undercover police officers,with just a small percentage  actual young ladies that should indeed know better.Either way mention 16yrs all communication stops from there on in.
Sam Javor wrote:
my guess is that the origin has something to do with a undercover police officer... but I'd be guessing.

I chuckle whenever I read that.  Undercover officers will not contact you, pretend to be a teen and ask you to shoot them nude.  Stop being so paranoid.

If they contact you, encourage you to shoot them and then pose in a fashion that is illegal, that is called entrapment.  They cannot initiate the contact.  To do so raises the issue of them encouraging you to do something you wouldn't have done on your own.

Instead, when they set up stings, they will go online, for example and wait for you to contact them.  The will suggest nothing nor make any sexual remarks nor discuss doing nude shoots.  When you suggest the shoot they will be evasive and let you affirm what you are wanting to do.  They will get you to commit to doing something that would cross the line from legal to illegal and then get you to set up the characteristics of it so that you have definitely proposed something illegal.  They will discuss props or something shoot specific so they can demonstrate that you are intending to go through with it, such as bringing bondage gear or condoms.

They will then arrange a time/place to shoot.  When you arrive, they will search you to see if you brought the promised item.  In the meantime, they have a written transcript of the entire proposition.

A case would never stand up if they went around contacting photographers and then asking them to shoot nude.  You guys need to get a life.  You spend so much time worrying about this kind of nonsense.  You see police officers behind every door.

Turning down the shoot is the right thing because you don't need to be shooting any 16 year olds nude.  But it isn't an undercover cop contacting you.  Drink another beer and relax.  It is all good.

This is absolutely correct! I watch my Law and Order.. wink

Jul 16 07 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Troy Balakhan
Posts: 15
Philadelphia, Mississippi, US


In all seriousness, I think the best course of action is just to tell the girl (or boy) that  nude work needs to be put on hold for two years.

If they still persist, remind them that digital cameras for personal use are rather inexpensive nowadays.
Jul 16 07 05:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,981
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Golden Light wrote:
The only way it is okay to shoot a 16 year old is if you have sex with them first. Or a threesome with them and their mother.

that'd be totally fine here in MN, other than the picture taking part.

Jul 16 07 05:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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