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Round 2
Posts: 156
Brooklyn, Indiana, US
You act like its a surprise, come on now...did you really need that article to tell you that.
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Sad. I'm not surprised at the STORY but this startled me:
"Elite Model Management, which discovered Naomi Campbell, has only two black models. Its Paris agency says there is not enough work for more black models because people do not like to see black women."
I'm surprised someone from Elite would admit such a thing to a reporter.
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iyce
Posts: 239
Lawrenceville, Georgia, US
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iyce
Posts: 239
Lawrenceville, Georgia, US
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-loren-
Posts: 776
Chicago, Illinois, US
SLE Photography wrote:
Sad. I'm not surprised at the STORY but this startled me:
"Elite Model Management, which discovered Naomi Campbell, has only two black models. Its Paris agency says there is not enough work for more black models because people do not like to see black women."
I'm surprised someone from Elite would admit such a thing to a reporter. What. The. Fuck.
I know some people feel this way but for an agent to SAY that to a reporter?! This is wild. Really sad stuff. They only have two black models but how many minority/women of color do they have?
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Rachel D
Posts: 240
Los Angeles, California, US
this is so sad though it is not just modeling I used to work at a college in student activities and we had to have diversity events regularly to educate people on things such as this and other like this that have happened over history
Rachel
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24079
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
SLE Photography wrote:
Sad. I'm not surprised at the STORY but this startled me:
"Elite Model Management, which discovered Naomi Campbell, has only two black models. Its Paris agency says there is not enough work for more black models because people do not like to see black women."
I'm surprised someone from Elite would admit such a thing to a reporter. Paris?
I'm not surprised, maybe it was bad English, maybe it was a bad translation, or maybe they really meant it that way. I have no idea about France and it's customs or anything going on over there.
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Jade Noir
Posts: 7629
San Antonio, Texas, US
Yeah this really sucks. But the fashion industry is like that. They could give a shit if people think their racist.
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Dean Johnson Photo
Posts: 70925
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Rachel D wrote:
this is so sad though it is not just modeling I used to work at a college in student activities and we had to have diversity events regularly to educate people on things such as this and other like this that have happened over history
Rachel
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DanielK Photography
Posts: 249
Denver, Colorado, US
SLE Photography wrote:
I'm surprised someone from Elite would admit such a thing to a reporter. I'm not. Remember, this is an industry that contributes to lethal eating disorders, child labor sweatshops, animal abuse and the dreaded ANTM with no apologies.
Also, if that's the way the market is, then that's the way the market is. It's not Elite's fault that there isn't more of a demand for black models. I think that's simply what they are saying. The Eastern European giant malnourished female look is what seems to be "in" right now (and has been for a while). That right there excludes 99% of the models on MM.
Daniel
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retphoto
Posts: 876
Sunbury, Pennsylvania, US
has anyone noticed that the 'emaciated' male look also appears to be in....
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Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Here we go again. Some activist picks up the cudgel to bite the hand that feeds her, the activist media pile on (did anyone notice which publication this stuff appears in? Want to bet on their objectivity on the issue?) and everyone acts like this is the first time they ever heard it.
And also act like the issues have never been discussed, and are not understood. Simplistic answers are trotted out as though they actually made sense. What we see all too little of is honesty in this conversation. Certainly there is no reward for it.
Just once I'd like to see a real, honest discussion of these issues, but today certainly will not be the day.
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RS Livingston
Posts: 2086
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Rachel D wrote:
this is so sad though it is not just modeling I used to work at a college in student activities and we had to have diversity events regularly to educate people on things such as this and other like this that have happened over history
Rachel
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24079
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
TXPhotog wrote:
Just once I'd like to see a real, honest discussion of these issues, but today certainly will not be the day. Well let's see,
Their clients aren't into black models for their work/products/ideas what have you. Because, the public in their area or target market isn't supporting black models for goods/services/whatnot that they want to buy.
I may have it backwards but the public drives marketing which drives agencies and so on.
So which is worse? Not signing many black models for that market, or signing them but knowing they won't find any work?
Just throwing it out there - and I'm bored.
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ddtphoto
Posts: 2590
Chicago, Illinois, US
it pretty much goes back to what my grandma is always saying... "white people have the devil in them."
if barack obama doesn't get elected president i'm gunna start burning some sh*t down. but, i'm going to do it smart, unlike some of the riots of the past, i'm going to start in somebody elses neighborhood.
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Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Minneapolis Fashion wrote:
So which is worse? Not signing many black models for that market, or signing them but knowing they won't find any work? That is, in fact, the conundrum that agencies typically face, and also the reason why agencies which specialize in black models typically cannot succeed outside of a very narrow range. Agencies are businesses; so are models. If the work isn't there for a class of people (any class of people), then having them in large numbers in the agencies doesn't do anybody any good.
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Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
ddtphoto wrote:
it pretty much goes back to what my grandma is always saying... "white people have the devil in them."
if barack obama doesn't get elected president i'm gunna start burning some sh*t down. but, i'm going to do it smart, unlike some of the riots of the past, i'm going to start in somebody elses neighborhood. And even assuming that this is meant in jest (?) how does it help us get to useful understanding and accommodation of the issues, or of the races?
Wardrobe Stylist
Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
Get used to it honey, We got to live with it, I'm seeing. Make more money you will see it less, but you will still see it. Hopefully we will have a special spot in heaven.
Wardrobe Stylist
Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
ddtphoto wrote:
it pretty much goes back to what my grandma is always saying... "white people have the devil in them."
if barack obama doesn't get elected president i'm gunna start burning some sh*t down. but, i'm going to do it smart, unlike some of the riots of the past, i'm going to start in somebody elses neighborhood. OMG, You need to chill
1. Look at your avi.
2. whites arent the only racist group
3. That behavior and wording on a public forum is unacceptable.
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Like an open Rose wrote:
Hopefully we will have a special spot in heaven. Are you suggesting heaven should be segregated along race lines? 
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PYPI FASHION
Posts: 36332
San Francisco, California, US
Hey. There's an African American on the current issue of Vogue and people are still pissed.
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
Stefano Brunesci wrote:
Are you suggesting heaven should be segregated along race lines? The last shall be first, and according to Dante there is a hierarchy in Heaven
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IMagus Digital Fine Art
Posts: 545
Saint Paul, Minnesota, US
ddtphoto wrote:
it pretty much goes back to what my grandma is always saying... "white people have the devil in them."
if barack obama doesn't get elected president i'm gunna start burning some sh*t down. but, i'm going to do it smart, unlike some of the riots of the past, i'm going to start in somebody elses neighborhood. You're an idiot plain and simple... people like you like to fan the flames but never seek solutions. If your hero doesn't win the election it's because of people like you.. uh huh Rev. Wright
Disgusting
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Diana Newton
Posts: 92
Los Angeles, California, US
ddtphoto wrote:
it pretty much goes back to what my grandma is always saying... "white people have the devil in them."
if barack obama doesn't get elected president i'm gunna start burning some sh*t down. but, i'm going to do it smart, unlike some of the riots of the past, i'm going to start in somebody elses neighborhood. Wha WHat? You have to be kidding....
This article is really sad, and disturbing and a terrible injustice, but I'm pretty sure encouraging destruction and more hate is not what Obama stands for...
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ddtphoto
Posts: 2590
Chicago, Illinois, US
TXPhotog wrote:
And even assuming that this is meant in jest (?) how does it help us get to useful understanding and accommodation of the issues, or of the races? this topic has been so beat to death around here that i have a hard time believing that anyone has anything further to contribute besides a punch line...
and my grandmother does think that "white people have the devil in them". i don't blame her considering what she has seen and been through.
anyways, if you'd rather regurgitate the details... reverse racism, institutionalized blah blah blah, if only the sides where switched and blah blah blah, black is beautiful too blah blah, we all need to change our blah blah, derived from slavery and blah bah, 40acres and a mule.
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Gary Eaton Studios
Posts: 743
Summerville, South Carolina, US
I have photographed about 10 females from Model Mayhem. Twelve made appointments. One model (white) called to cancel. Bogus excuse but she did call. Another model (black) just plain didn't show up, didn't call, didn't do anything. I called her and got a bogus excuse. The other ten (all white) showed up on time, were a pleasure to work with, etc. Can any of you tell me who I'd rather work with? Can any of you tell me I'm being "racist" (such an overused word these days) for not wanting shoot black females. I have shot many and have enjoyed working with them. I have been in business for over 24 years and I will honestly say the majority of my no shows, probably 95% have been black.
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Diana Newton
Posts: 92
Los Angeles, California, US
ddtphoto wrote:
this topic has been so beat to death around here that i have a hard time believing that anyone has anything further to contribute besides a punch line...
and my grandmother does think that "white people have the devil in them". i don't blame her considering what she has seen and been through.
anyways, if you'd rather regurgitate the details... reverse racism, institutionalized blah blah blah, if only the sides where switched and blah blah blah, black is beautiful too blah blah, we all need to change our blah blah, derived from slavery and blah bah, 40acres and a mule. Obama would be so proud...I'm sure your grandma too.
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Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Like an open Rose wrote:
Get used to it honey, We got to live with it, I'm seeing. Make more money you will see it less, but you will still see it. Hopefully we will have a special spot in heaven. You get a special spot in heaven because this industry is about making money, and your ethnic group doesn't sell?
The fact that you believe that says more about you than it does about the industry.
That's like saying that the fact that 70% of the NBA is black is blatant racism against whites.
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
Gary Eaton wrote:
I have photographed about 10 females from Model Mayhem. Twelve made appointments. One model (white) called to cancel. Bogus excuse but she did call. Another model (black) just plain didn't show up, didn't call, didn't do anything. I called her and got a bogus excuse. The other ten (all white) showed up on time, were a pleasure to work with, etc. Can any of you tell me who I'd rather work with? Can any of you tell me I'm being "racist" (such an overused word these days) for not wanting shoot black females. I have shot many and have enjoyed working with them. I have been in business for over 24 years and I will honestly say the majority of my no shows, probably 95% have been black. This isn't about you.
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IMagus Digital Fine Art
Posts: 545
Saint Paul, Minnesota, US
ddtphoto wrote:
and my grandmother does think that "white people have the devil in them". i don't blame her considering what she has seen and been through. Ignorance is a genetic disorder I see... pathetic excuse for hating people my friend. I'm sure Hilter had all kinds of "bad experiences" with the Jews... you make me sick.
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
Image K wrote:
You get a special spot in heaven because this industry is about making money, and your ethnic group doesn't sell?
The fact that you believe that says more about you than it does about the industry.
That's like saying that the fact that 70% of the NBA is black is blatant racism against whites. Shutup now. I wanst talking about this industry HONEY. I was talking about discrimination.
Have you read the verse I was refering too?
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Lisa Von Spooky
Posts: 35
Orlando, Florida, US
I think all different shades of women are beautiful. From pale as a ghost like myself to dark as night like..Wesley Snipes  However..beauty is only skin deep..
Wardrobe Stylist
Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
L154obliterate_ wrote:
I think all different shades of women are beautiful.
From pale as a ghost like myself to dark as night like..Wesley Snipes
However..beauty is only skin deep.. Hey I like your screenname for some reason.
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Laura_DeBord
Posts: 651
Fresno, California, US
ddtphoto wrote:
this topic has been so beat to death around here that i have a hard time believing that anyone has anything further to contribute besides a punch line...
and my grandmother does think that "white people have the devil in them". i don't blame her considering what she has seen and been through.
anyways, if you'd rather regurgitate the details... reverse racism, institutionalized blah blah blah, if only the sides where switched and blah blah blah, black is beautiful too blah blah, we all need to change our blah blah, derived from slavery and blah bah, 40acres and a mule. You are a disgrace to humankind.
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ddtphoto
Posts: 2590
Chicago, Illinois, US
Like an open Rose wrote:
The last shall be first, and according to Dante there is a hierarchy in Heaven the hierarchy dante suggested was based upon degrees of sin, not whether you wore phat farm on earth.
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Gary Eaton Studios
Posts: 743
Summerville, South Carolina, US
women of color???
since when is white not a color?
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Diana Newton
Posts: 92
Los Angeles, California, US
Like an open Rose wrote:
Shutup now. I wanst talking about this industry HONEY. I was talking about discrimination.
Have you read the verse I was refering too? Hate, hate and more hate. Lovely.
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
Diana Newton wrote:
Hate, hate and more hate. Lovely. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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