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Photos By Glamourpuss
Posts: 199
Hemby Bridge, North Carolina, US


Hi!

As you can tell from my title, my inquiry is about male nudes.  I don't usually shoot men or nudes, so I feel completely out of my depth.

I have one nude male shoot that will not be so artistic.  The photos will be submitted for work in the adult film industry.   The subject and I have agreed on an hourly rate...which I am sure is low for the work involved...but times are tough...blah, blah, blah.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who's got it rough at the moment.

I also have a friend from high school who wants some nude photos.  Since I know him, I don't plan on charging him, even though it will be somewhat awkward.

And then today I got another inquiry about a nude shoot from a man who found me on one of the social networking sites.  (Oh, and he is a landscape and portrait photographer, so I find that a little intimidating.)

I need to come up with a rate.  I am certain that I can shoot beautiful, tasteful nudes.  I've studied the body since my college days in art school.  But I have no idea how to quantify my time for money.

Thanks in advance.
Oct 27 08 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotoGrafixGuy
Posts: 192
Chicago, Illinois, US


you need to figure out if you want to keep the rights to the photos or not.
Oct 27 08 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos By Glamourpuss
Posts: 199
Hemby Bridge, North Carolina, US


PhotoGrafixGuy wrote:
you need to figure out if you want to keep the rights to the photos or not.

Good question...I haven't really considered that.  I'm just so used to getting a pretty model and shooting for the fun of it.  I have limited experience on the actual business end of things.

Oct 27 08 02:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,813
Clearwater, Florida, US


Shooting a male model is just the same as shooting a female model. Naturally, there are different parts in different places but the mechanics are the same.

Rates are rates and they really shouldn’t differ between a male and a female subject although you may want to increase your rates a bit to accommodate for the extra PhotoShopping that will be required for the adult film industry shoot.
Oct 27 08 02:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CRB Photography
Posts: 978
Denver, Colorado, US


Photos By Glamourpuss wrote:
But I have no idea how to quantify my time for money.

How do you quantify it for the rest of the shots that you take? Treat it as any other photo shoot.

Oct 27 08 02:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,813
Clearwater, Florida, US


Not so silly question time… is this adult shoot targeting the straight or the gay part of the film industry. For the gay end of things you should increase your pricing and tighten your grip on the images – maybe think more towards licensing rather than selling.
Oct 27 08 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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PhotoGrafixGuy
Posts: 192
Chicago, Illinois, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
Not so silly question time… is this adult shoot targeting the straight or the gay part of the film industry. For the gay end of things you should increase your pricing and tighten your grip on the images – maybe think more towards licensing rather than selling.

I would agree with this because the shoots are more demanding.  The audience will be more critical of the model than the photo itself. It will be your responsibility to make sure the model looks good, face and body, as well as eccentuate the positives.  I have done this in the past and it is more time consuming and harder work for me because I have to direct more as well as focus on the task. Sometimes when I shoot for myself, I will shoot anything just to see what it turns out like and If i get one photo I really like, I am happy.  You are also selling yourself, so do good work and charge for good work!

Oct 27 08 03:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos By Glamourpuss
Posts: 199
Hemby Bridge, North Carolina, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
Shooting a male model is just the same as shooting a female model. Naturally, there are different parts in different places but the mechanics are the same.

Rates are rates and they really shouldn’t differ between a male and a female subject although you may want to increase your rates a bit to accommodate for the extra PhotoShopping that will be required for the adult film industry shoot.

I suppose I should clarify...I'm not making a distinction of rates based on gender. 

I usually shoot model portfolio work, do a few different looks for a half day rate and that's that.

In all honesty I can count the number of paid shoots I've had on one hand.

Oct 27 08 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos By Glamourpuss
Posts: 199
Hemby Bridge, North Carolina, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
Not so silly question time… is this adult shoot targeting the straight or the gay part of the film industry. For the gay end of things you should increase your pricing and tighten your grip on the images – maybe think more towards licensing rather than selling.

This is ALL new to me!

The first paid shoot is geared towards the straight adult film industry.

The others are not associated with the adult industry at all.

Oct 27 08 03:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,813
Clearwater, Florida, US


Sorry for the ambiguity of my statement.

In straight adult work the ‘star’ of the movie is the female. The male is quite secondary and almost a moving prop. In gay work the star is the complete male or both the complete males, from top to bottom (no gay pun intended)

My rates comment was on the additional post work you would be required to do for a gay subject as opposed to a straight subject.
Oct 27 08 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Glamourpuss Make-UpHair
Posts: 475
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
Sorry for the ambiguity of my statement.

In straight adult work the ‘star’ of the movie is the female. The male is quite secondary and almost a moving prop. In gay work the star is the complete male or both the complete males, from top to bottom (no gay pun intended)

My rates comment was on the additional post work you would be required to do for a gay subject as opposed to a straight subject.

See, that just shows how NOT knowledgeable I am on the subject!  I feel so sheltered and prudish!

tongue

Oct 27 08 04:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ryan Colford Studios
Posts: 2,286
Brooklyn, New York, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
Sorry for the ambiguity of my statement.

In straight adult work the ‘star’ of the movie is the female. The male is quite secondary and almost a moving prop. In gay work the star is the complete male or both the complete males, from top to bottom (no gay pun intended)

My rates comment was on the additional post work you would be required to do for a gay subject as opposed to a straight subject.

I'm confused, are you saying that you should charge more for gay subjects than straight because it's more work?  And if so, how is it more work?

Oct 27 08 04:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,813
Clearwater, Florida, US


OK… so here’s a quick lesson in straight adult

This gentleman is Ron_Jeremy one of the kings of straight adult work. As you can see there’s not a lot of post work that is necessary to bring out his natural beauty.

This gentlemen is Peter_Berlin one of the kings of gay adult work. As you can see there is a great deal of post work that is needed to bring out the beauty.

I would suggest that you would spend 3 to 5 times as much time in post with Peter as you would with Ron.

With a straight male you want him to look good. With a gay male you want him to look like Adonis.
Oct 27 08 04:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lucine
Posts: 1,520
Northwest, North Carolina, US


I say... charge what makes it worth it for you considering the amount of time prepping/shooting/post work.
Oct 27 08 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,813
Clearwater, Florida, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
Sorry for the ambiguity of my statement.

In straight adult work the ‘star’ of the movie is the female. The male is quite secondary and almost a moving prop. In gay work the star is the complete male or both the complete males, from top to bottom (no gay pun intended)

My rates comment was on the additional post work you would be required to do for a gay subject as opposed to a straight subject.
Ryan Colford Studios wrote:
I'm confused, are you saying that you should charge more for gay subjects than straight because it's more work?  And if so, how is it more work?

It has nothing to do with the subject’s sexual preference.

With a straight male adult film actor you need to PhotoShop the obvious imperfections but little else.
With a gay male adult film actor you need to (the vast majority of the time) PhotoShop almost every square inch of the body.

The disparity is caused by the market. The gay market is much more demanding of physical perfection.

Oct 27 08 04:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ryan Colford Studios
Posts: 2,286
Brooklyn, New York, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:

It has nothing to do with the subject’s sexual preference.

With a straight male adult film actor you need to PhotoShop the obvious imperfections but little else.
With a gay male adult film actor you need to (the vast majority of the time) PhotoShop almost every square inch of the body.

The disparity is caused by the market. The gay market is much more demanding of physical perfection.

Ok, I'm going try not derail this thread. I think you're wrong and not thinking it through.

For any type of work, whatever the focus is be it male or female or product the subject needs to look as best as it possibly can. Therefore equal care and work will go into presenting either on a man or woman, straight or gay and therefore the OP shouldn't really say men are more work to shoot then women (regardless of intended audience) and cost more.

The cost should be the same for both male and female, but should factor in time and output. From setup to post production to print and/or CD delivery.

Oct 27 08 05:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos By Glamourpuss
Posts: 199
Hemby Bridge, North Carolina, US


Ryan Colford Studios wrote:

Ok, I'm going try not derail this thread. I think you're wrong and not thinking it through.

For any type of work, whatever the focus is be it male or female or product the subject needs to look as best as it possibly can. Therefore equal care and work will go into presenting either on a man or woman, straight or gay and therefore the OP shouldn't really say men are more work to shoot then women (regardless of intended audience) and cost more.

The cost should be the same for both male and female, but should factor in time and output. From setup to post production to print and/or CD delivery.

I'm with you on this one, Ryan.  I do the same sort of post-work on all my subjects.  If my work's going to be seen by ANYone, I want my subjects to look their very best.  I'm not the type who charges a "per zit" photoshop fee...NOT that anyone who's posted on this thread is...I've just seen in a lot in the senior portrait business.

Oct 27 08 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ryan Colford Studios
Posts: 2,286
Brooklyn, New York, US


Photos By Glamourpuss wrote:

I'm with you on this one, Ryan.  I do the same sort of post-work on all my subjects.  If my work's going to be seen by ANYone, I want my subjects to look their very best.  I'm not the type who charges a "per zit" photoshop fee...NOT that anyone who's posted on this thread is...I've just seen in a lot in the senior portrait business.

I just recently saw that for a photographer at my nephew's high school. Literally in their brochure they had a pimple fee. Hilarious!

Oct 27 08 05:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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dave wright phx
Posts: 13,509
Phoenix, Arizona, US


You should charge your day rate, plus usage, plus expenses.

- your time (half/full day, multiple days, whatever),
- plus usage (web only for 6 months, brochure for a year, unlimited usage),
- expenses (assistants, makeup, hair, wardrobe, studio rental, equipment, misc)

Look here:
Pricing Photography

The subject matter doesn't make much difference - male nudes, or macro photos of coins. You should charge for your time, usage, and expenses, either way. If you're really opposed to shooting a particular subject matter, you might inflate your prices - the "Sure, I'd do it - for a million dollars!" mentality. Otherwise it's just business.
Oct 27 08 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MS Foto
Posts: 2,224
Manchester, New Hampshire, US


Many males like the idea of trying nudes, but only for a female photographer. Many female photographers won't shoot males nudes for a variety of reasons. Being a female who is willing to shoot male nudes will make you in demand, don't be affraid to charge what you're worth....
Oct 27 08 07:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Christopher Hall
Posts: 1,168
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
OK… so here’s a quick lesson in straight adult

This gentleman is Ron_Jeremy one of the kings of straight adult work. As you can see there’s not a lot of post work that is necessary to bring out his natural beauty.

This gentlemen is Peter_Berlin one of the kings of gay adult work. As you can see there is a great deal of post work that is needed to bring out the beauty.

I would suggest that you would spend 3 to 5 times as much time in post with Peter as you would with Ron.

With a straight male you want him to look good. With a gay male you want him to look like Adonis.

most people have no idea how correct you are. i shot "adult" images for 15 years  and there is a huge difference between photographing straight vs gay and in "the adult industry" gay is always more $ from every angle (LOL) butt always more work as well

Oct 27 08 07:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Bryson Photography
Posts: 48,035
Hollywood, Florida, US


Photos By Glamourpuss wrote:
Hi!

As you can tell from my title, my inquiry is about male nudes.  I don't usually shoot men or nudes, so I feel completely out of my depth.

I have one nude male shoot that will not be so artistic.  The photos will be submitted for work in the adult film industry.   The subject and I have agreed on an hourly rate...which I am sure is low for the work involved...but times are tough...blah, blah, blah.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who's got it rough at the moment.

I also have a friend from high school who wants some nude photos.  Since I know him, I don't plan on charging him, even though it will be somewhat awkward.

And then today I got another inquiry about a nude shoot from a man who found me on one of the social networking sites.  (Oh, and he is a landscape and portrait photographer, so I find that a little intimidating.)

I need to come up with a rate.  I am certain that I can shoot beautiful, tasteful nudes.  I've studied the body since my college days in art school.  But I have no idea how to quantify my time for money.

Thanks in advance.

For submitting in that industry, you generally need 5 basic shots:
1. closeup headshot (straight on, nothing fancy)
2. full-body front (nude)
3. full-body back (nude)
4. closeup penis (erect)
5. closeup ass

Most places don't require #'s 4 or 5.
Do not make them "look" professional.
And please don't retouch or edit in any way, except for resizing them.

As far as rates go, don't go overboard. Starting out, the dude will be lucky to make $200-1000 on his first job...IF he gets one.

Disclaimer: I know absolutely nothing about the adult industry. wink

Oct 27 08 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Bryson Photography
Posts: 48,035
Hollywood, Florida, US


JoJo Suicide wrote:
you may want to increase your rates a bit to accommodate for the extra PhotoShopping that will be required for the adult film industry shoot.

Incorrect statement. HIGHLY incorrect.

The last thing you want to do is mislead a potential employer of what the model looks like, because it could - no, it WILL - cost that model a job. It's not possible to "Photoshop" video.

Oct 27 08 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Bryson Photography
Posts: 48,035
Hollywood, Florida, US


Photos By Glamourpuss wrote:

The first paid shoot is geared towards the straight adult film industry.

In that case, shoot it TF*.

The dude probably ain't gonna make much money. Straight porn companies can find big-dicked guys who'll work for free, or very little money, just to fuck a hot chick.

The inverse is true of the gay4pay industry. He's be much more likely to get paid well.

Oct 27 08 07:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Glamourpuss Make-UpHair
Posts: 475
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Thanks for all of the input.

The shoot that is for submission into the adult film industry is already a done deal...it's not been shot yet, but it's all been negotiated.

I have not yet sent a quote to the man who wants photos for his girlfriend.
Oct 27 08 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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