Nicholas Cooper wrote:
I have my eye on the Lensbaby 3G Composer. That might be what you are looking for. Manual focus only though.

No, that is a tilt mechanism. I need a shift for perspective control. Something like this:



But CANON TO CANON.

shootrrdave wrote:
An Ebay search for "canon shift" found 21 results including this one which would be my choice since it provides both tilt and shift.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MIREX-TILT-SHIFT-AD … tsupported

This is for converting Mamiya lenses to Canon... I need canon to canon.

shootrrdave wrote:
An Ebay search for "canon shift" found 21 results including this one which would be my choice since it provides both tilt and shift.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MIREX-TILT-SHIFT-AD … tsupported

That adapter lets you use MAMIYA lenses on a Canon body.

Leroy Dickson wrote:
A rear lens cap and a body cap and some sort of rail and a tiny bit of wiring.... hmmmm...

you don't even need wiring! Make it like an Extention tube! You don't even need any optics! All canon's TS are manual anyway. And if you make it please give me some commision for coming up with the idea. pretty pretty pretty please

JMX Photography wrote:
There are shift adapters that adapt Pentacon 6 (kiev 60) and Mamiya 645 leses to eos bodies and they're pretty cheap:
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid … Categories

Need CANON to CANON

Chip Morton wrote:
The problem with what you're looking for is that the image circle is too small. If you start moving it around you start hack things off. That's why they use an M/F lens.

A very valid point.

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
No, that is a tilt mechanism. I need a shift for perspective control. Something like this:



But CANON TO CANON.

They won't make that because there'd be no market for it.  Your focus distance would be sooooo short, it'd be macro only.  Infinity?  Bah, you'd be locky to get more than a couple feet.  Also the coverage of the lens might not be enough and you might get the end of the image circle in the frame.  You could alwas try a cheap-ish russian lens:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Arsat-MC-80-mm-Tilt … lm_Cameras

or an even cheaper the PC body cap lens:
http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_pccap.html

Othwise you'd have to get an older Canon FD TS lens and cobble an eos mount to it or perhaps find a m42 TS lens.

Chip Morton wrote:
The problem with what you're looking for is that the image circle is too small. If you start moving it around you start hack things off. That's why they use an M/F lens.
Zork also makes one, ($$$$$) along with some great other stuff. http://www.zoerk.com/

Not true. I have a TS 24 lense. Which works great for my 1.6x sensors, but when I go full frame it distorts the heck out of it. The back of the TS lense is way smaller then a normal back of a canon lense. It is smaller for that reason for the shift.

JMX Photography wrote:

They won't make that because there'd be no market for it.  Your focus distance would be sooooo short, it'd be macro only.  Infinity?  Bah, you'd be locky to get more than a couple feet.  Also the coverage of the lens might not be enough and you might get the end of the image circle in the frame.  You could alwas try a cheap-ish russian lens:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Arsat-MC-80-mm-Tilt … lm_Cameras

or an even cheaper the PC body cap lens:
http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_pccap.html

So why do lense baby's work? And take a look at the TS already. They work perfect. And they are pulled away from the sensor just like an extention tube. what I'm saying is perfect sense!

Erick Kush Photography wrote:

So why do lense baby's work? And take a look at the TS already. They work perfect. And they are pulled away from the sensor just like an extention tube. what I'm saying is perfect sense!

The Canon TS is designed to have the longer back focus distance that comes from adding the TS mechanism. It is also designed with a larger image circle to allow the movements with cutting out parts of the images around the edges. The non-TS Canon lenses are not designed this way and will not work for anything but macro if you do build some sort of adapter.

Chip Morton wrote:
The problem with what you're looking for is that the image circle is too small. If you start moving it around you start hack things off. That's why they use an M/F lens.
Zork also makes one, ($$$$$) along with some great other stuff. http://www.zoerk.com/

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
Not true. I have a TS 24 lense. Which works great for my 1.6x sensors, but when I go full frame it distorts the heck out of it. The back of the TS lense is way smaller then a normal back of a canon lense. It is smaller for that reason for the shift.

Hmmmmm, OK, fair enough. Lemme think . . . I dig this kinda figuring it out stuff.
But first to figure a work-a-round; what is the intended use? Architecture?
And do you want to stay with Canon lenses because you have some favorites?

My first thought it to get a proper M/F bag bellows set up and adapt it to your body.
Or is it more the Canon/Canon adapter you're interested in as a product itself, the proverbial better mouse trap?

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
So why do lense baby's work? And take a look at the TS already. They work perfect. And they are pulled away from the sensor just like an extention tube. what I'm saying is perfect sense!

The ts lenses are *designed* to have larger image circles and have larger elements to accomplish this.  They are similar to MF lenses (larger and slower than other pro lenses of the same focul length).  Lensbabies work because they are incredibly simplistic lenses.  The have two elements in two groups I believe.  This causes all kinds of chromatic aberrations which in turn makes the image soft.

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
Does anyone have experience with TS lenses here?

And yes, I rigged a bag bellows set up and I use it ALL the time. Even shoot sports with it though I mainly take advantage of the selective focus ability.

Chip Morton wrote:

Chip Morton wrote:
The problem with what you're looking for is that the image circle is too small. If you start moving it around you start hack things off. That's why they use an M/F lens.
Zork also makes one, ($$$$$) along with some great other stuff. http://www.zoerk.com/

Hmmmmm, OK, fair enough. Lemme think . . . I dig this kinda figuring it out stuff.
But first to figure a work-a-round; what is the intended use? Architecture?
And do you want to stay with Canon lenses because you have some favorites?

My first thought it to get a proper M/F bag bellows set up and adapt it to your body.
Or is it more the Canon/Canon adapter you're interested in as a product itself, the proverbial better mouse trap?

Look they have them already, so I know they work... But they use bellows lenses and rails and crap like that. But the average cost of those types of mechinisms are upwards of $2,000.  That's rediculous. If someone were to make one like the picture above, you can sell it for $100. or $200.

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
Does anyone have experience with TS lenses here?

I have experience with large format cameras that can tilt, shift, and swing!  Also have a tilt adapter for my pentacon lenses, and a lensbaby (1st ver).

Dan Olek wrote:
Check the ebay search list again!! What you are asking for is there for $75!

no, not canon to canon.

JMX Photography wrote:

I have experience with large format cameras that can tilt, shift, and swing!  Also have a tilt adapter for my pentacon lenses, and a lensbaby (1st ver).

Then why can't they make an adapter to for canon to canon like the one above? I have used them with Nikons and Canons, and MF cameras too, but I'm tired of going and getting a freaking adapter that costs $2000 when all I want to do is use a $100 adapter ring that will work just as good.

Blue Cube Imaging wrote:
Or Samy's rents the 24, 45 & 90mm TSE lenses for $40 a day.

I have the 24 I want to use MY lenses. I have some favorites.

JMX Photography wrote:

The ts lenses are *designed* to have larger image circles and have larger elements to accomplish this.  They are similar to MF lenses (larger and slower than other pro lenses of the same focul length).  Lensbabies work because they are incredibly simplistic lenses.  The have two elements in two groups I believe.  This causes all kinds of chromatic aberrations which in turn makes the image soft.

TS back elements are 3-4 times smaller then normal lenses. The normal lenses are bigger... if that is the case why can they make an adapter for a Mamiya and not a canon? Or the other companies make them for $2000 with a belows?

Andrew Vorobyov wrote:
You gotta be a perv to work with tilt/shift on the canon system. The viewfinder is too small to see anything...

Anyways - if you can get some bellows, some tape and a 4*5 enlarger lens you'll be able to handhold it and tilt/shift it considerably.

I would just pick up a view camera and do things the way they're supposed to be done.

So why does canon have 3 TS lenses that cost over $1000.00 a piece? Someone who makes a $5 adapter to make and sells it for $100 can make a lot of money.

Erick Kush Photography wrote:
I want to do is use a $100 adapter ring that will work just as good.

Brother, let me make it clear that I'm with you. I'd love a piece like that myself!
Unfortunately I don't have the answer. FWIW, the bellows set-up I rigged cost about $20.00.

"Mongo only pawn  . . . in game of life."

Gregory Banville wrote:
Are you sure the SLR bellows attachments are for doing tilt and shift? I'm always terribly excited when I see them in catalogs, but when I read closer the descriptions always seem to say that they are for macro rather than tilt shift work.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/3 … llows.html

Erick Kush Photography wrote:

TS back elements are 3-4 times smaller then normal lenses. The normal lenses are bigger... if that is the case why can they make an adapter for a Mamiya and not a canon? Or the other companies make them for $2000 with a belows?

The size of the lens elements has nothing to do with focus and mounting distance.

Several people have already explained why there is no adapter like you want.

I checked the Novoflex website to see if I was missing something but it only confirmed my statements. The BallPro is simply a bellows setup for macro work. There is no shift capability. I also noticed that they make adapters for using other brands of lenses on 35mm format cameras. Guess what? All the adaptable lenses were medium format.