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Photographer

Flick

Posts: 1583

London, England, United Kingdom

I'm looking at a new system to invest in and have been an Elinchrom user for 12 or more years, so haven't really looked elsewhere.

After a reply to an email I sent to Elinchrom asking if they were going to produce a grid for its beauty dish and the reply, 'it's on our list of things to do, but not a priority' I feel a bit put-off the brand.

I was going to get myself an Elinchrom Ranger system for shooting on location, but now I don't think I will continue with the brand.

I am able to get good deals on Broncolor gear, so wanted to know if anyone had experience of using this system. At the moment it will only be the mobile-battery system, but who knows what the future may bring...

This is the kit I am considering (with an extra head) and some accessories. does anyone have any experience with it?

http://www.bron.ch/bc_pd_ps_en/detail.php?nr=874

https://www.bron.ch/_data/bc_pd_ps_mobilkit_big.jpg

Sep 05 09 04:57 am Link

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Digitoxin

Posts: 13456

Denver, Colorado, US

I am sure it is a very nice kit.  But, it lists at Calumet for $4k (I know that you said you can get a deal on it).

For the money, why not just look at speedo?  You can get a 1500 w/s (not 1200) portable pack for a $1000 less than the pack here.  For the difference in price, you could add a speedo juice box and have a spare battery.

Speedo heads are less expensive too. 

For the record, I don't own speedos.... I have WL's and AB's.  ....... However, speedos are built like tanks have a good line of accessories, and should serve you well.

Sep 05 09 05:12 am Link

Photographer

Flick

Posts: 1583

London, England, United Kingdom

Thanks for that. I just had a look and they don't have a UK distributer.

Sep 05 09 10:06 am Link

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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS

Posts: 1466

FRESH MEADOWS, New York, US

its very good, but I went Verso packs instead quickly, I also found that having picked up a few hensel porty premium packs I was taking them more often for various reasons.  That stopped once I picked up a bunch of Verso packs. 

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Sep 05 09 10:09 am Link

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Digitoxin

Posts: 13456

Denver, Colorado, US

Flick wrote:
Thanks for that. I just had a look and they don't have a UK distributer.

Oh man, sorry about that!

I should have checked that first!

Good luck in your quest!

Sep 05 09 10:36 am Link

Photographer

Flick

Posts: 1583

London, England, United Kingdom

Digitoxin wrote:

Oh man, sorry about that!

I should have checked that first!

Good luck in your quest!

I'm more than grateful for your advice. Don't you dare go running to your bedroom, putting some Mariah Carey on and crying into your pillow.

They have other distributors throughout Europe, so maybe they are looking for one here.

Sep 05 09 10:53 am Link

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Digitoxin

Posts: 13456

Denver, Colorado, US

Digitoxin wrote:
Oh man, sorry about that!

I should have checked that first!

Good luck in your quest!

Flick wrote:
I'm more than grateful for your advice. Don't you dare go running to your bedroom, putting some Mariah Carey on and crying into your pillow.

They have other distributors throughout Europe, so maybe they are looking for one here.

pfffft

Mariah Carey.

I went for the Merlot instead!

Hensel does make a good kit.  Porty line (they have some new ones out that are better protected from weather -- "lithium" line).  A couple friends of mine have the original Porty and love it.

Stephen's advice above is wonderful if you have about $20m to spend on gear!  Those Versas look SWEET but are very expensive.

Sep 05 09 11:16 am Link

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Flick

Posts: 1583

London, England, United Kingdom

The Verso's look amazing, but I think that alas, on price I think right now they may be out of my (even with a deal) budget.

A photographer-buddy of mine has the Hensel and I think it looks like a great little unit. That is on the consideration list too.

I wonder if I could get all of the manufacturers to fight over my business

Sep 05 09 11:52 am Link

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photoshutter

Posts: 257

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I'm using Broncolor mobil with two heads, good system with constant exposure and color, but not super fast between flashes (even at low power), for faster work with people I prefer AlienBees 800 heads with vagabond.

Sep 06 09 12:06 am Link

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andrew wuttke

Posts: 2

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

hi there

ive been using the bron mobil for a while and love it. it packs up neat and tidy, great little heads for small spaces, assistants love it cause its quick to set up and the big advantage for me is its a great kit for flying approx 15 kg in a solid case. i know thay are a bit expensive but quality costs

Sep 20 09 05:59 pm Link

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RedChecker

Posts: 217

Aylesbury, England, United Kingdom

I used it briefly when taking the photos I have in my portfolio of Joceline (the ballet one and the blue nude one in my port)

It is a very nice piece of kit (I especially like the little fresnel attachment you can get, about the size of a Heinz Sponge Pudding tin) and providing you're not after speed then it will be fine.  The compactness of the whole package (case, unit and heads) is very impressive for a 1200w class of pack.

I have recently bought a Profoto battery system over this one for the simple reason that it is too slow for flash duration for some of the things I wished to do - way too slow for stopping motion (1/700th if I remember correctly wheras my Profoto can go up to 1/7700th).  Other reasons were Profoto has PW built in, Broncolor are tricky to find (Profoto are available at every Calumet branch and a couple of places in London) and the recycle times are also a little slow I recall - to be fair though, this unit wasn't originally a 'Broncolor' product, it was a Visatec but later rebranded (hence the reason for the slightly inferior performance IMO)

Another 'fast' alternative is the Elinchrom Ranger (1150w) which I have tested alongside my Profoto with dancers moving very fast and came VERY close (yet at almost 1/2 the price), it was only the ever so slightly slower recycle time that let it down.  I didn't like their ringflash though (and lack of attachments) and again it uses a proprietary radio system rather than PW (I don't really want PWs dangling off the packs on-site).

Do bear in mind though that the 1200w packs are heavy and although are portable you wouldn't want to be lugging them around town for very long.

The only place I know of (off the top of my head) in the UK that does them is Lovegrove Consulting (google them), there is another in London but their name escapes me.

Sep 21 09 12:02 am Link

Photographer

Flick

Posts: 1583

London, England, United Kingdom

RedChecker wrote:
I used it briefly when taking the photos I have in my portfolio of Joceline (the ballet one and the blue nude one in my port)

It is a very nice piece of kit (I especially like the little fresnel attachment you can get, about the size of a Heinz Sponge Pudding tin) and providing you're not after speed then it will be fine.  The compactness of the whole package (case, unit and heads) is very impressive for a 1200w class of pack.

I have recently bought a Profoto battery system over this one for the simple reason that it is too slow for flash duration for some of the things I wished to do - way too slow for stopping motion (1/700th if I remember correctly wheras my Profoto can go up to 1/7700th).  Other reasons were Profoto has PW built in, Broncolor are tricky to find (Profoto are available at every Calumet branch and a couple of places in London) and the recycle times are also a little slow I recall - to be fair though, this unit wasn't originally a 'Broncolor' product, it was a Visatec but later rebranded (hence the reason for the slightly inferior performance IMO)

Another 'fast' alternative is the Elinchrom Ranger (1150w) which I have tested alongside my Profoto with dancers moving very fast and came VERY close (yet at almost 1/2 the price), it was only the ever so slightly slower recycle time that let it down.  I didn't like their ringflash though (and lack of attachments) and again it uses a proprietary radio system rather than PW (I don't really want PWs dangling off the packs on-site).

Do bear in mind though that the 1200w packs are heavy and although are portable you wouldn't want to be lugging them around town for very long.

The only place I know of (off the top of my head) in the UK that does them is Lovegrove Consulting (google them), there is another in London but their name escapes me.

Thank you for that brilliant advice. I hadn't thought to look at the duration of the Broncolor. I do a bit of editorial for gold magazines, so being able to stop a club in swing is going to be a factor in this too.

If Elinchrom were a half decent compant (the products are good, but the company isn't that great) I would jump on a Ranger, but I don't like the fixed astmmetrical ratio on the Ranger packs. I think I'd prefer to use something that gives me a little more creative scope.

Looks like the Profoto might be getting a little research

Sep 21 09 12:40 am Link

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M A R T I N

Posts: 3893

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Flick wrote:

Thank you for that brilliant advice. I hadn't thought to look at the duration of the Broncolor. I do a bit of editorial for gold magazines, so being able to stop a club in swing is going to be a factor in this too.

If Elinchrom were a half decent compant (the products are good, but the company isn't that great) I would jump on a Ranger, but I don't like the fixed astmmetrical ratio on the Ranger packs. I think I'd prefer to use something that gives me a little more creative scope.

Looks like the Profoto might be getting a little research

I haven't used Broncolor, but aren't they considered the Ferrari of light systems? If you're getting a discount I don't think you can go wrong.

I bought a used Porty 1200 and it rocks my world. (Other than the fact the kit is 10lbs over the checked baggage limit and I always have to put the battery in my other bag)

I use Profoto in the studio and if I had the money I would trade the Porty in for a full Profoto kit, in and out. They are the bomb (do the cool kids still use that expression?)
smile

Sep 21 09 12:53 am Link

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Konstantin Golovchinsky

Posts: 417

Los Angeles, California, US

I'll second the motion for Profoto. The Acute 600B is a great way to get into a portable lighting system without breaking the bank. You can get a pack & head for just over $2000. 160 shots per battery at full power.

HUGE assortment of light modifiers, and will power a $800 ring flash as well. That ring flash will also work with their AC Acute packs, reflectors will fit all 3 product lines.

Sep 21 09 12:52 pm Link

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Zack Hughes

Posts: 42

Miami, Florida, US

i will be using one on saturday.
the previous time i used the set i was not happy.
it doesn't come with any modifiers, and the spread is way to wide.
and the fact that they are MAX 100w lights is not really too exciting.

this time around i will have the pack plus 2 heads and a "magnum"

ill let you know how i feel about it.

Sep 22 09 07:49 pm Link